EU: Evil Union

Lindsay Perigo's picture
Submitted by Lindsay Perigo on Wed, 2016-05-18 08:13

Here's a link to the already-famous "Brexit" movie. A salutary reminder of things we thought the world had learned but clearly has not:


The Verbosity of Slavery

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

The EU doesn't seem to be evil in its creation or original plan: just a political and economic union of relatively civilized nations with ideas toward free movement of goods and people. So far, so good. But...by passing millions of complex and tricky rules and regulations, its behavior becomes naturally and ineluctably tyrannical. Liberty requires few words and laws.

Sir Nigel Farage

gregster's picture

Sir Nigel Farage--should be. Queenie will be happy. What a man! I will have a few with him tonight (in spirit).

Brash

gregster's picture

Don was on with Paul Henry on the radio this morning and stated his preference saying Britain would be better off to remain, or similar words. I thought "what a wally."

Don?

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Has Don sold out on this as he did on marijuana? Where?

Three things I've learned from bitter experience: follow the sex, follow the money, follow the respectability (not necessarily in that order). Authentic folk form their opinions independently of their gonads, bank accounts and Faecesbook clicks, but there ain't many Authenticists on this earth, and Don, alas, is not one of them.

Michael

gregster's picture

I can't believe how people such as William Hague and our local Don Brash think Britain remaining under the unaccountable commissars is preferable than breaking free and celebrating Independence. Conservative twats who put no value on freedom. Boris Johnson in contrast has always been good. I note Michael Howard will exit too. And Nigel Farage is a superhero to me after his recent performances..

What I can't figure out

mvardoulis's picture

I have family in England who are devout "IN" crowd and others who are (rightfully) devout "Leave" crowd. What I don't understand is how many of the IN crowd believe the EU represents "multiculturalism" and "compassion" and a stronger relationship to Europe, as if a super-state and ultra-centralilzed-bank which has already succeeded in a bloodless invasion of Greece. Blows my mind how the EU has any credibility.

Nigel!

gregster's picture

I was very impressed with Farage's performance. Thanks for that link. He's better than I realised.

Impotent Irrational Tribalists

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Ten days ago Doug wrote:

"...if you are going to grant that reason is hard for humans because of our animal nature then you will also have to grant that humans are inherently tribal. And Asians mores so than Europeans. Data suggests that there is a genetic component to individualism and Asians are less so on average than Whites."

No matter how anti-reason and tribalist humans are naturally -- and Asians and Africans are particularly -- ideology simply overwhelms these two. People are puppets to philosophy. They deviate hardly a jot from it. They'd rather die.

When I was living in Los Angeles 30 years ago the whites and Asians there seemed to get along perfect.

I've read that 150 years ago the British performed a kind of sociology experiment and raised many Indians as pure Englishmen. This evidently succeeded without a hitch. "Brown Englishmen" were created with perfect accents, attitudes, beliefs, desires, educations, and behaviors. But they were partially rejected in England based on real anti-Indian racism (not the fake kind which whites don't practice today against anyone). So the experiment was short-lived.

Nigel Farage vs Filth

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Shudder at the standard knee-jerk stock-in-trade attempts by Islamofilth in particular to portray Farage as racist and all the rest:

Brook, et al.

Neil Parille's picture

Brook is starting to see the evil of Islamic immigration, albeit years too late.

Biddle and Binswanger are as clueless as ever.

When words are inadequate

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Words can't do justice to the evil of these creatures. And there's a human beheading at the end of that link for good measure. Now one of these maggots is the elected Mayor of London.

This is what they are allowing to enter Europe

Doug Bandler The Second's picture

http://www.barenakedislam.com/...

Tunisian Muslims beheading and skinning a cat.

And Objectivists don't want to ban Islamic immigration because of "individualism". Honestly, one cat's life is worth more than every Muslim on the planet. They're savages. And anyone that doesn't want them deported is complicit. Even Yawon Bwooke.

Points raised by Mark

Doug Bandler The Second's picture

Stefan Molyneux’s example about swapping the populations of Japan and China failed to show what he claimed it showed

Stefan walks a line with race. He constantly points out racial differences but he does not explicitly state that racial biology is the foundation of culture. I think it is and I suspect he does as well but he's waiting for more data I guess. But given how far Stefan has come, I can forgive him for not being explicitly pro-white racialist. Once you go down that road you are going to marginalize yourself. I'm ok with the line Stefan is walking.

Who wants to live in a country where in every neighborhood you are completely surrounded by more or less Americanized Orientals?

This does raise a difficult point for the pure minarchists; one I debate with myself. Say you somehow were able to create the liberty republic. Could that republic be purely merit based and thus race blind? The point you make about Asians is one that came to me recently. Yes, East Asians are higher IQ and lower crime than Whites. But could you have a cohesive nation and culture where you did not have a majority race but just an eclectic mix of peoples? Could such a mix keep to its commitment to individual rights and political liberty? Can you have human bio-diversity and liberty at the same time? Or are racial conflicts inevitable?

And note here Lindsay that if you are going to grant that reason is hard for humans because of our animal nature then you will also have to grant that humans are inherently tribal. And Asians mores so than Europeans. Data suggests that there is a genetic component to individualism and Asians are less so on average than Whites. Mark's point about a nation full of Americanized Asians is something that no Objectivist ever deals with because to them it doesn't matter. But I can't see how it doesn't.

The biggest problem I have with pure minarchist libertarianism (I still consider Rothbardian market anarchism delusional) is not that it might be next to impossible to contain female sexuality in a politics of liberty where they actually have enough children to sustain the population. That is my second concern. My first concern is that human racial tribalism is too great to be sublimated, and that no multicultural society can sustain itself; even (or especially) one committed to pure individual rights liberty.

I wonder if Rand's conception of liberty is in line with the tribal nature of human sociality. But I don't know and tend towards fatalism. Which is why I won't take a definitive position on it. Not yet anyway.

Molyneux’s flawed introduction, comment on “Brexit: the Movie”

Mark Hunter's picture

Stefan Molyneux’s example about swapping the populations of Japan and China failed to show what he claimed it showed: that the problem with immigration is not about race it’s about culture. His example showed only that the problem is not only about race, it includes culture.

Of course the problem includes race as well. Who wants to live in a country where in a every neighborhood you are completely surrounded by more or less Americanized Orientals? (The Americanization may take forever. In 2012, 73% of voting Asians voted for Obama.) Molyneux’s emphasis on, and self-righteousness about, denying the obvious shows what we – those who agree with me – are up against.

Thanks, Linz, for pointing to “Brexit: the Movie” about the European Union and the referendum coming up on June 23. Two minor criticisms. The introduction, consisting of snippets from what is to come, is not indicated as an introduction – you think the whole move will be like that – and it’s too long (2:28). The other criticism is that at one point in the discussion of free trade the movie represents some treaty or other, I forget, as an unalloyed benefit when it wasn’t.

Note the point that much of the regulation instituted in Britain during World War I remained in place after the war was over. Shades of John Hobson’s “1920: Dips into the Near Future” pamphlet from that era.

Truth about EU immigration

Doug Bandler The Second's picture

Another data rich presentation.

Modern immigration policy is the greatest demonstration of Rand's conception of altruism. And yet, no Objectivist realizes this.

Pat Condell on Brexiting

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

It's a nightmare that Pat Condell doesn't know the difference between democracy and liberty. He strips away at least 90% of his philosophical power with this crucial error. But this is still a pretty good video.

Quality

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

I'm always looking for fresh new ideas and high-quality intellectual material which challenges me -- not seemingly low-grade repetitions of what I already understand and agree with.

My apologies

gregster's picture

His name is Dirkin, Martin Dirkin. Famous for his Great Global Warming Swindle. Propaganda my arse Kyrel. He tells it as it is.

British Bolshevik Corporation

Lindsay Perigo's picture

I was staggered to see the unabashed left-fascist commentary in the following. It's way too long for Kyrel, but for his information the BBC used to (maybe longer ago now than I realise) observe a journalistic practice of leaving commentary to the protagonists and keeping the personal views of reporters scupulously invisible. Just listen to this and see how far the BBC has fallen—and with it, Britain herself. You'll note I have made a comment:

That was exactly what I was

gregster's picture

That was exactly what I was alluding to and I'm pleased you saw that Linz. Liv would expunge Kyrel's wavering discipline.

Daniel Hannan too deserves a spanking for his term "crony capitalism" at 45:30.

Greg

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Stop being a naughty contrarian. When was the last time someone bent you over her knee? (No, don't answer that.)

It had occurred to me to despatch Olivia Lady Slapper to discipline Kyrel, but then figured that that's precisely what he was angling for. Smiling Anyway, like Philip of course I watched the thing right through. I remain staggered that anyone would consider that a feat, and damn the thing in insanely intemperate terms on the basis of the first four minutes. ????!!!!

Kyrel

gregster's picture

Stop being a naughty contrarian. When was the last time someone bent you over her knee? (No, don't answer that.) The first ten minutes was nostalgia for me. Many of the better types from England, older and wiser.

Durcan is a great film maker. I will continue with it, and looking forward to it.

Yes. That is now your

PhilipD's picture

Yes.

That is now your argument...it is too long?

Video

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

It's still a l-o-n-g video. Did you two -- Philip and Lindsay -- watch it to the end? Did anyone? Life doesn't last forever. There's a lot of high-quality intellectual material out there to read and watch.

Not a fearless freethinker ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... just a Brandroid with Attention Deficit Disorder or whatever that daft phony moronnial "syndrome" is called. Can't watch beyond four minutes? Jesus Kyrel! Get a brain!

But I wanted the film-makers to call the E.U. a hell-hole of bureaucracy and corruption, and half a hell-hole of tyranny, but they just didn't seem to be on the way to doing that.

Well, the teaser was there in the first four minutes, delivered in spades later. But "later" is clearly beyond Brandroids. Note, this particular Brandroid scorns Romanticism in music as "boring" ('cos he can't focus for long enough to get it) and praises heavy metal. 'Nuff said. Oh, and then, in typical Brandroid fashion, denounces legitimate discrimination as "personal abuse," just as the evil Babs and Nathaniel used to do. The tragedy is that their evil appeasement didn't die with them. Now it's spwead to Yawon and the AWI.

Jesus, Kyrel, it took you 4

PhilipD's picture

Jesus, Kyrel, it took you 4 minutes to arrive at those conclusions, eh?

Hell, even I, after just 45 seconds, could mark the makers as perfidious, mentally-deficient scumbags.

Seriously, though, you said, "Maybe this film is okay, if only I would watch beyond minute four."

You could of course try just that before offering an opinion. Seems a sound idea to me at least...

You said also, "And maybe the "other side" is heard constantly in Britain."

Maybe!?

What hole have you been hiding in?

To me, your quest to be seen as a fearless free-thinker at any cost makes you seem like a complete arse at times...

Bozo Film-Makers

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Olivia -- I'm pretty much always at war with the Good folks in these good vs. evil battles. The Good people of today pretty much always seem to me like paragons of ineptitude and incompetence. And I think this inter-Good competition is wherein the true fight lies. Evil is always impotent, and easily crushed, if you approach it right.

Maybe this film is okay, if only I would watch beyond minute four. And maybe the "other side" is heard constantly in Britain. I really hope Tom Burroughs gives his insights on this.

But I wanted the film-makers to call the E.U. a hell-hole of bureaucracy and corruption, and half a hell-hole of tyranny, but they just didn't seem to be on the way to doing that. Arguing from inessentials and virtual-trivia is wretched, and a recipe for failure.

Very good!

Olivia's picture

The movie doesn't even touch on the swamping of the UK by all the Muslim immigration coming its way if they stay in the EU (as if it doesn't have enough of that already). Yet, the economic reasons alone are reason enough to leave.

Kyrel, the "other side" of the debate is all over the BBC News every night, from Cameron himself, not to mention his new London Mayor, Sadiq Khan. I hope this movie gets watched by all Britons before the referendum.

Propaganda

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

There was no balance in the first four minutes of this film -- no opportunity to hear the other side. That makes me suspicious, as well as contemptuous.

Either way, Britain needs liberty -- not democracy or self-rule or independence from the E.U. Based on the first four information-free minutes, these filmmakers are morons and lowlives who insult the viewer with their heavy-handed, one-sided, brazen propaganda.

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