Stefan Molyneux - Is he a conservative?

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Submitted by Mark Hubbard on Thu, 2016-12-29 20:00
Molyneux

I thought Molyneux was libertarian - I'd never researched him - until this tweet (hope it comes out here - if you enlarge it you should be able to read it.

Two sins for me:

1. He's one of those dreadful wowsers who when someone dies says, 'oh if they'd had less coffee, or had less wine, they'd have lived longer. How irresponsble.'

Can't stand people like that. Litmus test: wowsers are always rights tramplers.

2. He's misrepresented Debbie Reynolds. She didn't buy her daughter cannabis, someone left a bag in her house which daughter found and Reynolds said to her you're going to try it sometime, so when you do, better in a safe environment with me. As some parents do, responsibly, with alcohol. So Molyneux has framed it to publicly shame Reynolds before she's even in the ground (again, bastard), but also making his view against drugs clear. At least that's what it looks like; he never answered to my tweet.

 

So he's a conservative (thus no friend of freedom) unless someone can enlighten me otherwise?

 


My bit.

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Thanks Lindsay for the tip on Adonis.

I had a look through some of his old dialog on SOLO....jesus, I must say I could never argue with him or anyone on the details of Islam and the quran. Immersing myself into a fairytale book for years to try and understand it so I can debate it? Ouch!

For me, the best approach with this issue is to keep it simple - focus on the enforcement of basic human rights, and the rights of nations to filter their own borders however they might choose. And then let acid-trip fairytales be fairytales.

Molyneux - 100 Million Downloads

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There was a Muslim here once ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... in fact I just looked him up and he's still signed on with normal posting privileges. Posted quite copiously for a while, around 2010. Calls himself "Adonis."

'What would we do? Would we

PhilipD's picture

'What would we do? Would we write him (or her) off as evil, and throw verbal stones until they go away?'

I would.

But that would mean I'd miss the 'fun' discussion on stoning, I guess.

An interesting thought

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Imagine this. Imagine a deeply indoctrinated yet well-educated Islamic fundamentalist (though not outright terrorist) wanted to join us, and have a crack at respectfully debating the virtues of sharia law. Making arguments like, say, it's far cheaper to surgically remove a hand than incarcerate someone for 10 years, etc...

What would we do? Would we write him (or her) off as evil, and throw verbal stones until they go away? Or would we invite them in and see what they have to say?

I myself would love to see what they have to say. I would be very interested to see how they rationalise their position, and would probably find the discussion quite fun. Though yes, of course, I would be more than surprised to see my own position on sharia law change!

You have a knack for it ...

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... to (again) succinctly sum up your own behaviour : D
"I was gone. But, then he decides to slander me. So, now I'm back."
so you only write here for the mud-fest - right ; )
VSD

Linz: End of the line (finally).

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Have a good read of the poison Nazi Bandler has put over four threads this morning Linz. It's really sick stuff. Everybody - who continue to never slap this evil bastard down - read every misogynist, racist, fascist, holocaust denying, anti-Semitic word. Noting his lunatic words, by volume, make up some bulk of SOLO, many of them in unchallenged header posts.

 For you and me, Linz, stalemate - yes your site. I tried. You win, and lose. And if you think this was about free speech, think again.

 I won't post to a site harbouring Nazis who are making not even veiled threats on my life and of violence against my person. I've said before I'd never associate with these creatures in my face-to-face life, and neither will I waste any more of my online life with them. Despite over the last three days they have made my point as ably as anything I've said, my summary anyway.

 This is your site, your choice, with the consequences.

 One consequence being you give me no choice. I am out, finally. You've swapped a liberty loving wowser-hating sense-of-lifer, for two miserable, violent, lunatic Nazis, both of whom are totally off their meds now.

 Watch out for them. Those are two creepy, seriously sick, guys. Look at their drooling over my violent death, which is probably actionable if it wasn't so sadly ludicrous. And for the record, on Nazi Bandler's out-and-out women hatred thread, you did deflect and chose not to put yourself on record that disenfranchising all women was an affront to individuals and liberty. You are no Nazi, of course, but on some fucked up level, you agree with the Aryan biological determinism of these two monsters, and that's down to your scrap with Brook, or ARSES or some nonsense thing, that has taken personal animosity to tragically flawed judgement.

 It's in this statement of yours:

 I've put up with it all since at his best [Bandler's] critique of OrgOism was trenchant and timely, and he raised questions about biology/psychology the OrthOists were and are afraid to address.

 You went on to say this monster and the Jones creature were 'mostly sound.'

 No. Look at Bandler's shameless rants from last night. All he has ever offered has been bigoted Aryan biological determinism in the form of total race and women hatred. Nothing else, but somehow, to some degree, you - and not just you - have had buy in.

 Nazi Bandler again insists, as he has unchecked through the presidential election, that to keep the Left out (yeah right), women, blacks and Hispanics must be universally disenfranchised. Margaret Thatcher is to have no vote. The newly retired and fantastic Thomas Sowell is to have no vote. Yet I wonder how Bandler explains how Hiliary Clinton is not president precisely because she did not get the black, Hispanic or women's vote she presumed? That the educated women's vote went to Trump? We'll never know because you and too many useful idiots in here not only never took the vicious Nazi to task, but I think on some level, accepted its analysis!

 By the way, you say the Nazi Bandler self-outed his anti-Semitic fascism. Again, no. I did that. I had him figured out in two days back here, after reading from a distance in horror, with his blatant, unchecked misogyny and framing of Ayn around Jewishness, and with a little pressure, a shockingly little amount of pressure, he went direct to Nazi death squads. Ask yourself how you have been entertaining him for years, thinking him 'mostly' sound FFS. You need to beat yourself up over that. You've lost so much support from it, and from good people. Noting I'm a loner, not into tribalism and I don't childishly take sides: I go investigate for myself, and satisfy myself as to the facts.

 Aside: In fact looking at the Nazi's posts from last night, which I reread after writing above, he's quite ill.

 Signing off.

 For Andrew Atkin.  My last bit of wisdom. I didn't like giving you a hard time; I suspect you're a nice bloke. BUT, it's fine to keep an open mind when the facts are arguable; it's stupid to keep an open mind in spite of the facts. Holocaust denial: NEVER go there.

 Gregster: are you on drugs? You were a good guy. You've allowed the Nazis to turn you into their goon.

 Best of luck to the fantastic women who put up with the shit in here. SOLO needs dozens more women. Intellectually and aesthetically.

 All the best, Linz. I have no animosity toward you, just confusion. I'm not leaving because of you, despite some big fails here. I'm leaving because this not a nice place to be. I'd do some infantile symbolic act like delete my account, but would rather spend time with Mrs H on the balcony. It's a glorious day in the Mahau.

 So I leave you all in the hands, unfortunately, of the resident two women hating, race hating, human hating, deeply, deeply anti-Semitic neo-Nazi mummy's boys, lunatics, and their oh so offhand violence and threats.

 

Data-points of infamy.

 

Nazi Bandler to me:

 You are a real idiot. I dislike you intensely. So much so, I wish you harm; suffering and harm.

 But you're still a piece of hippie garbage either way. If the right wing death squads do emerge, I hope they throw you out of a helicopter along with the left.

 Many more threats I can't be bothered trawling through.

 

Creature Grant Jones to me:

 Maybe [you] can go into a Maori bar, start an argument and give it a try. I'd pay a dollar to see that.

 My recommendation is a bottle of sleeping pills, then washed down with Hubbard's usual three bottles of wine. I look forward to reading his obit. The sooner the better.

 

I'm now 100% in favor of assisted suicide. In order to demonstrate my new found commitment, I volunteer to help out. When Hubbard is ready, he just needs to contact me. I will happily perform the Jack Kevorkian role for him. I can now see how putting such a miserable poor excuse for a human being out of his misery is an act of mercy.

 

Nazi Shmazi

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Oh god Linz. I'm not a Nazi. I hate socialism far too much to ever be a national socialist. I've said that I think that the Holocaust was manipulated to serve Leftist ends. Jesus Christ, is that so hard to comprehend? Like the Left would never do that. And I've also said that Jewish tribalism combined with their love of egalitarian movements and their historic hatred of European Christianity has made them many enemies throughout their history. Even a Jewish Conservative like Larry Auster admitted that. To me the Jews should be open to criticism as a group the way blacks should be open to criticism as a group. Both in *aggregate* have caused serious tensions within the European world. Understanding that, ie opening you eyes, does not make you a Nazi.

THIS is why Objectivism goes nowhere and is mocked by the smarter people on the Right. If the Objectivist movement were a movement of Stefan Molyneux types it would have been culturally significant. But it isn't. Its a movement with psychologies like Binswanger, Schwartz and Peikoff, Brook, Armstrong, Hsieh, Hyashi, and Hubbard, etc. Each of them blind ideologues in their own way. All of them intellectually impotent. Hell, Peikoff wrote a book on the Holocaust and he never mentions that Jews were up to 80% of the Communist elite in Soviet Russia and that they were the overwhelming majority of socialists in Germany. Jews were even the overwhelming majority of Communists in America which is one of the reasons for the 1924 immigration ban.

These are facts and this is history. This is the search for truth. But not in Objectivist land where just like with the Left, if you step off the Overton Window on race, gender and mid-20th century European history you get called a racist, a sexist and a Nazi.

I say it again. I understand why the authoritarian right is growing. And while I disagree with the essence of that movement, I have sympathies with them. Especially when I see the Mark Hubbards of the libertarian world make liberty seem like a joke that only a teenager would embrace.

Just a suggestion, Lindsay.

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Just a suggestion, Lindsay. People have given me suggestions on my own blog (building utopia) and it doesn't worry me in the slightest. Sometimes I incorporate it.

Well ...

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... I certainly appreciate all the free, unsolicited advice I'm receiving here as to how to run my web site. Maybe those who are so liberal with their advice, boorishly assailing me from every which way, should set up their own sites, to show me how it's done?

In the meantime, I'd consider just one person who got the Debbie Reynolds clip reward for my efforts.

Not holding my breath. I don't know a single professed Objectivist who's actually familiar with The Romantic Manifesto, let alone takes it seriously.

Hello all!

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Yikes. Maybe it would be a good idea to consider some tighter general rules, Lindsay?

When people feel like they're going to get attacked for posting what they thought was a polite (albeit maybe controversial) post, then I would say they'll be inclined to not post at all, and understandably. So as I see it, in the name of 'freedom of speech' you end up functionally suppressing it.

If it was my play pen, I wouldn't tolerate uncalled for name-calling. And certainly not from invisible identities.

Perigo

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Perigo is too thick to understand the absurdity of his picture fetish on the internet. I post under my real name. But, short of faxing you a copy of my passport, you have no way of verifying that. Any picture I posted on the retarded avatar thing would be irrelevant to determining my true identity, if I was lying. That I have to explain this to you is truly sad. You commented earlier that there are perfectly legitimate privacy reasons for not posting a picture. But not having to earn a living by working a real job, the reality of that fact is unknown to you.

Even if I posted my passport photo on the avatar, Hubbard would still not be insulting me to my "face," And, nor would you. As he has admitted, he would never do that. Because, he's a cowardly POS. You've heard of "fighting words." Maybe in the states there's a different standard. It's something all men understand. If you don't, I'll repeat myself while typing slower.

In the spirit of SOLO: go fuck yourself, midwit.

Bro Hubbard

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I looked at the thread, and you are correct. I made my "entertainment" comment after Doug's self-outing. I shouldn't have been flippant about that, knowing the anal-retention that goes on here. But I also saw myself saying:

Yes, my judgment is clearly lousy. But SOLO will remain open to all-comers. Even Islamotrash can post here if it wants.

That remains the case, notwithstanding your breathtaking presumptuousness. Even you may continue to post. If you want to be banned, you'll have to ban yourself. Just go away, if that's what you want.

And I repeat: go fuck yourself! "No relent"?! Posturing sanctimonious humbug!

If you're not prepared to go away, go to an adult thread, created by and for adults, and say something uplifting, important and worthwhile.

Linz

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No. Your keeping them for entertainment was after they were outed as Nazis, and their relishing my death. Look at my Nazi thread.

I'm a hard arse on stuff like this. No relent from me. You'll have to ban me old son.

Herr Jentz

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No doubt, Hubbard would never hurl this barrage of slander to my face. He is a cowardly piece of shit.

Strange. I thought that to slander someone required naming him. Since your name is not "Grant Jones," how can anything Hubbard has said about you be slander?

Did the irony of accusing him of being too cowardly to slander you to your face, when you refuse to show your face, not occur to you?! Who exactly is the "cowardly piece of shit" here?

I guess the fact that both you and Hubbard are attacking me tells me I'm doing something right. He has the higher moral ground, but not the high ground. Bro Hubbard, you know that my "entertainment" remark was made before Doug's self-outing as a Nazi, yet you proceed to create the opposite impression. Your presumption in trying to dictate to me whom I may and may not allow to participate in my own Forum is breathtaking. It shows me you're just a posturing grandstander, no more interested in the truth than the Nazis you rightly decry. Here's my considered response: go fuck yourself!

For the record, I no longer find this thread entertaining, but rather, depressing, in the infantilism and evil it reveals. I'm going to let all the posts stay up just so adult humans can see what, in the human condition, they are up against qua adults. And, to answer the headbanging-loving Jentz-Nazi's spewings on another thread, I proffer this as an antidote to evil and infantilism, by the just-deceased Debbie Reynolds, as an invocation of a time when "pop" was great, a sub-set of the Romantic genre ... tuneful. This went to #1. Years before that, Debbie was a guest on Mario's top-rating Coca Cola Show.

This is the spirit of SOLO, no matter how many fuckwits and Nazis, taking abusive advantage of the freedom SOLO offers, try to desecrate it:

Bandler

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I must say I have a great respect for Moly (yeah, easier) covering the 'bomb in the brain' series.

And indeed, the child abuse issue is something that practically all political camps seem to be terrified of truly confronting. And the issue is titanic - it *must* be confronted.

He is solid on the empirical stuff, and does have a lot to say. In spite of some shortcomings.

Warning: you have just read a post by a genuine Nazi aka Jones

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Slander? You can serve me your papers at: 566 Moetapu Bay Road, RD 2, Picton 7282.

 

Doug Bandler and his violent lieutenant, Grant Jones, stand confessed on:

 Holocaust denial: they want to see Israel and Jews wiped out. They are the new wave of anti-Semitism that has risen like a slouching beast and slithers through the West again, and is duplicitously inveigling itself, sickeningly, into freedom movements.

The Bandler creature refers to himself as a 'truth-seeker', however, history tells us the creature's Truth will always end in a gas chamber for those who don't look like the creature or think like the creature. The gas chambers this creature denies that his quote, 'fine German people' (Nazis) used to murder Europe's Jews on an industrial scale.

 They are misogynists (Bandler admits this the result of problems with his mummy when growing up), they are racists, they are homophobes. They are KKK subscribed white supremacists who believe that individuals are only their biology, animals, not rational beings with minds and complex emotional lives (that they don’t have).

 They are also humourless wowsers who are quick to brute violence; Jones has professed his desire to see me have my head smashed in, Bandler relishes the thought of seeing me thrown from a helicopter by a right-wing death squad.

 You need to ignore their vomit on this site. They have chosen to be the most evil, hate filled sickness humans have ever succumbed to. The blog owner chooses to not ban these sub-humans apparently for his entertainment: on the record, I think that is Nero fiddling as civilisation burns, and on every vicious post these two Nazis put up, he is judged on it by rational minds who look on in horror.   

 This post will go up every damned post from these slime until everyone is so sick of it the blog owner will have to ban myself, or the Nazis.

 

... I can do this all my life Linz, across every thread. (Until you ban me). Hope you're finding it entertaining in the meantime.

 

 

Perigo

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For how long are going to allow this deranged moron to slander people on your website? If SOLO wasn't a complete joke before, it is now. Congratulations.

Warning: you have just read a post by a genuine Nazi aka Jones

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For the second (third) time the creature Jones asks me to kill myself, and quote, 'looks forward to reading my obituary'. (How can I 'hurl this to your face' when you won't show it sissy-boy?)

Doug Bandler and his violent lieutenant, Grant Jones, stand confessed on:

 Holocaust denial: they want to see Israel and Jews wiped out. They are the new wave of anti-Semitism that has risen like a slouching beast and slithers through the West again, and is duplicitously inveigling itself, sickeningly, into freedom movements.

The Bandler creature refers to himself as a 'truth-seeker', however, history tells us the creature's Truth will always end in a gas chamber for those who don't look like the creature or think like the creature. The gas chambers this creature denies that his quote, 'fine German people' (Nazis) used to murder Europe's Jews on an industrial scale.

 They are misogynists (Bandler admits this the result of problems with his mummy when growing up), they are racists, they are homophobes. They are KKK subscribed white supremacists who believe that individuals are only their biology, animals, not rational beings with minds and complex emotional lives (that they don’t have).

 They are also humourless wowsers who are quick to brute violence; Jones has professed his desire to see me have my head smashed in, Bandler relishes the thought of seeing me thrown from a helicopter by a right-wing death squad.

 You need to ignore their vomit on this site. They have chosen to be the most evil, hate filled sickness humans have ever succumbed to. The blog owner chooses to not ban these sub-humans apparently for his entertainment: on the record, I think that is Nero fiddling as civilisation burns, and on every vicious post these two Nazis put up, he is judged on it by rational minds who look on in horror.   

 This post will go up every damned post from these slime until everyone is so sick of it the blog owner will have to ban myself, or the Nazis.

 

... I can do this all my life Linz, across every thread. (Until you ban me). Hope you're finding it entertaining in the meantime.

I've Changed My Mind

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Hubbard has convinced me with the overwhelming logic of his arguments. I'm now 100% in favor of assisted suicide. In order to demonstrate my new found commitment, I volunteer to help out. When Hubbard is ready, he just needs to contact me. I will happily perform the Jack Kevorkian role for him. I can now see how putting such a miserable poor excuse for a human being out of his misery is an act of mercy.

Warning: you have just read a post by a genuine Nazi aka Jones

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For the second (third) time the creature Jones asks me to kill myself, and quote, 'looks forward to reading my obituary'. (How can I 'hurl this to your face' when you won't show it sissy-boy?)

Doug Bandler and his violent lieutenant, Grant Jones, stand confessed on:

 Holocaust denial: they want to see Israel and Jews wiped out. They are the new wave of anti-Semitism that has risen like a slouching beast and slithers through the West again, and is duplicitously inveigling itself, sickeningly, into freedom movements.

The Bandler creature refers to himself as a 'truth-seeker', however, history tells us the creature's Truth will always end in a gas chamber for those who don't look like the creature or think like the creature. The gas chambers this creature denies that his quote, 'fine German people' (Nazis) used to murder Europe's Jews on an industrial scale.

 They are misogynists (Bandler admits this the result of problems with his mummy when growing up), they are racists, they are homophobes. They are KKK subscribed white supremacists who believe that individuals are only their biology, animals, not rational beings with minds and complex emotional lives (that they don’t have).

 They are also humourless wowsers who are quick to brute violence; Jones has professed his desire to see me have my head smashed in, Bandler relishes the thought of seeing me thrown from a helicopter by a right-wing death squad.

 You need to ignore their vomit on this site. They have chosen to be the most evil, hate filled sickness humans have ever succumbed to. The blog owner chooses to not ban these sub-humans apparently for his entertainment: on the record, I think that is Nero fiddling as civilisation burns, and on every vicious post these two Nazis put up, he is judged on it by rational minds who look on in horror.   

 This post will go up every damned post from these slime until everyone is so sick of it the blog owner will have to ban myself, or the Nazis.

 

Such Slander

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No doubt, Hubbard would never hurl this barrage of slander to my face. He is a cowardly piece of shit.

My recommendation is a bottle of sleeping pills, then washed down with Hubbard's usual three bottles of wine. I look forward to reading his obit. The sooner the better.

P.S. The little coward is also very stupid. I was gone. But, then he decides to slander me. So, now I'm back.

Warning: you have just read a post by a genuine Nazi aka Bandler

Mark Hubbard's picture

 

 

Doug Bandler and his violent lieutenant, Grant Jones, stand confessed on:

 Holocaust denial: they want to see Israel and Jews wiped out. They are the new wave of anti-Semitism that has risen like a slouching beast and slithers through the West again, and is duplicitously inveigling itself, sickeningly, into freedom movements.

 They are misogynists (Bandler admits this the result of problems with his mummy when growing up), they are racists, they are homophobes. They are KKK subscribed white supremacists who believe that individuals are only their biology, animals, not rational beings with minds and complex emotional lives (that they don’t have).

 They are also humourless wowsers who are quick to brute violence; Jones has professed his desire to see me have my head smashed in, Bandler relishes the thought of seeing me thrown from a helicopter by a right-wing death squad.

 You need to ignore their vomit on this site. They have chosen to be the most evil, hate filled sickness humans have ever succumbed to. The blog owner chooses to not ban these sub-humans apparently for his entertainment: on the record, I think that is Nero fiddling as civilisation burns, and on every vicious post these two Nazis put up, he is judged on it by rational minds who look on in horror.   

 This post will go up every damned post from these slime until everyone is so sick of it the blog owner will have to ban myself, or the Nazis.

 

Molyneux Derangement Syndrome

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Oh my god, he's a Conservative! NOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!!

But back in reality, he's a Rothbardian anarchist that is also a racial hereditarian; ie he applies socio-biology to his political analysis, perish the thought. Calling him a "fascist" or a "Conservative" or a "white nationalist" and therefore attempting to close down all debate and discussion just shows what a shit psychology Mark Hubbard has. The same as a Leftist who wants "safe spaces". Precious snowflake.

Mark, you're an unhinged libertardian. You are the exact reason why Conservatives think that libertarians and Objectivists are overgrown teenagers. A movement full of types like you goes nowhere. Its also clear after reading you why so many on the right think that libertarians are on the left. I really understand Larry Auster's negative view of libertarians now. Jesus do I understand.

Andrew,

Moly is not a dork. I have some disagreements with him (namely anarchism) but he is an example of a very good empirical thinker. Plus he is EXTREMELY articulate. There is no Objectivist his equal when it comes to combining wit and glibness. Moly goes down the bunny-holes that Objectivists are too cowardly or too dogmatic to go. As a result Moly sees far more of the world than any Objectivist I've seen with the possible exception of some that comment here.

I wish the Objectivist movement had more people with Molyneux's passion for the search for truth. But what you find is the hysterical rantings of people like Hubbard, Stuart Hyashi and Robert Tracinski (an Objectivist / Neocon mix. Yuck).

Oh and one last thing Mark,

Molyneux was right in his criticism of Debbie Reynolds; namely that she introduced her daughter to pot at the age of 13. That was a STUPID hippy thing to do encouraged by degenerate Leftist culture; a culture you embrace. And all you can think to question is "do you believe in legalized pot or not? Oh MY God, you're not a true libertarian! Heretic!!!!!!!!!!"

Jesus Christ. The stereotype of the pot smoking, libertarian hippie who gets off on his girlfriend getting train run on her while he jerks off to gay porn is really not far from the truth. Like Rand said "hippies of the right"...

Mmm.

Mark Hubbard's picture

No, I expect he has no value at all Andrew.

[I was so patterned from other thread I put a dissing up here originally on your comment that wasn't deserved. Apologies, Andrew.]

To say...

Andrew Atkin's picture

Stefan is a dork who frequently makes me cringe, but he does interview some very good people at times. Those interviews are worth a listen.

Philip - Cheers

Mark Hubbard's picture

That's a great Cresswell piece.

So, surprise, surprise, the wowser test works again: Molyneux is another white supremacist. So not only is SOLO harbouring these evil bastards, but it appears they've attached themselves to 'freedom' movements to spread their bile. None of these people would know what freedom is. They're all that lowest level of evil of the type 'work sets you free' Nazis.

I've said on another thread the alt-left and alt-right are interchangeable, but to the extent alt-right are fascists, true fascists, working perversely via freedom movements, is deeply troubling.

He's a

PhilipD's picture

He's a scumbag.

http://pc.blogspot.co.nz/2016/...

'DeFOOing' is one of his things. Separating from abusive parents is the right thing to do. But according to him almost all parents are abusive...

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