Can Trump Redeem Himself Following His Disgusting Capitulation to the Swamp on the Budget?

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Submitted by administrator on Sat, 2018-03-24 04:57
No (please elaborate)
0% (0 votes)
Yes (please elaborate)
43% (3 votes)
Maybe (please elaborate)
57% (4 votes)
Who cares? (My blood doesn't boil and I'm a waste of space)
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Total votes: 7

The Wall

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

It's too late. There's not gonna be a wall. Trump has done nothing for 14 months, and currently there aren't even any plans for a wall. Just plans to make plans. The prospects that even the tiniest portion of the wall will get built under Trump are essentially zero. It's all about apportioning blame now. Everything being said and done today is dedicated to evading responsibility and pointing fingers. Trump blew it completely. Sad

I tweeted my support

Mark Hunter's picture

I tweeted my support too:

U.S. military to protect our border, good. Economic leverage to force Mexico to do same, good.

All good, but considering Tump's past, we'll see.

Figuratively speaking you need to light a fire under the man's chair.

Trump's Tweet

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Trump has just tweeted that the border will be protected, and said separately that the military will be doing the protecting. Every patriot should tweet his support. I just did.

Trump passes the buck

Mark Hunter's picture

Quoting @realDonaldTrump

The big Caravan of People from Honduras, now coming across Mexico and heading to our “Weak Laws” Border, had better be stopped before it gets there. Cash cow NAFTA is in play, as is foreign aid to Honduras and the countries that allow this to happen. Congress MUST ACT NOW!

Congress isn’t going to act and Trump must know this. Bending over backwards trying to see the Trump we though we knew: Perhaps he is waiting until the last minute to rub in the inaction of Congress, then he will act and thus make himself look even better than if he started now. It’s remotely possible, but like Ed I don’t think he will do anything.

Trump is passing the buck.

Hope we’re wrong.
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Even if Trump does nothing the caravan is – ironically – poor public relations for immigration enthusiasts. They’re showing their hand,
It’s too much too soon,

But there have been many such events. There’s no reason to think this one will be any different. For one thing the Traitorous Media won’t give it the coverage it deserves.

Suicidal Immigration Policy

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

This is hard to believe but...I heard on the radio tonight (on the intellectual and cutting-edge John Bachelor Show) that the standard way for the U.S. to deal with illegal aliens, if caught, is known as "catch and release". First, they're apprehended by law enforcement, but instead of paying a fine, receiving a criminal record, and being immediately deported, they're released after a day or two, and given a court date to seek legal admittance to the U.S. two years down the road. Virtually none even bother to show up.

How insane is this?

He CAN, but he WON'T

edpowell's picture

This insane caravan of thousands of migrants, aided by the Mexican government, is careening toward the US border. Trump has already said his hands are tied. But are they? His one unquestionable power as commander-in-chief is to use the military to protect the US from invasion. Will he use it? He has numerous diplomatic options, including pulling out of NAFTA and breaking off diplomatic relations with Mexico unless they turn the caravan around. Will he do so?

Everything I've seen of Trump says to me that he will roll over again.

This caravan is just as "spontaneous" as the children from Parkland arguing over gun control. Someone somewhere (probably associated with Soros, planned it, and helped implement it. It is the Left's attempt to move Trump into a George HW Bush "Read my lips" moment where he is 'forced" to betray his key campaign promises, and thus so turn off his base that he loses the next election. It's so obviously a trap and Trump is walking right into it.

Poll question flawed

Mark Hunter's picture

There isn't much difference between
... Yes he can
and
... Maybe he can.

Trump could redeem himself by

Elliot Temple's picture

Trump could redeem himself by building the wall, ending chain migration, deporting millions of illegals, etc. But it looks like he doesn't want to and isn't going to.

Changed my vote

Lindsay Perigo's picture

8 am in NZ and I woke up to Trump's tweet: No More DACA. Hurrah!!

Let the deportations begin. Include Bwook-Schumer, Ghastly and Binswanker!

Possible New Immigration Policy Against Parasitism

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Bruno -- I don't know that this immigration proposal is game-changing. But it'll certainly help. Trump strikes me as being overall pro-Western and pro-American. Despite being a bit of a con-man, Trump's instincts and heart seem to go in the right direction. Unfortunately, he does not have many clear or strong pro-liberty principles, which I think dooms him to mediocrity. I wish to hell some sound libertarian would get ahold of him and explicitly teach him political freedom. Or I wish he would happen across some solid Objectivist-type book on political science and then (as a miracle, almost) actually sit down and read a lot of it and learn.

Trump 2020!

BrunoT's picture

Game changing legislation is in the works at the WH. This would change everything and is exactly the kind of thing we've been waiting for:

Immigrants who accept almost any form of welfare or public benefit, even popular tax deductions, could be denied legal U.S. residency under a proposal awaiting approval by the Trump administration. According to a draft of the proposal obtained by the Washington Post, immigration caseworkers would be required to consider a much broader range of factors when determining whether immigrants or their U.S.-citizen children are using public benefits or may likely do so.

Current rules penalize immigrants who receive cash welfare payments, considering them a “public charge.” But the proposed changes from the Department of Homeland Security would widen the government’s definition of benefits to include the widely used Earned Income Tax Credit as well as health insurance subsidies and other “non-cash public benefits.”

Reuters reported on the proposed changes in February, and Vox published excerpts of a draft. But a more recent, 223-page version obtained by the Post shows the proposal is more extensive than previously reported.

“It's striking that after strong public criticism of a leaked draft rule, the administration seems to be considering a version that goes even further, and they're actively considering whether to use this rule to create new grounds for deporting legal immigrants,” said Mark Greenberg, a senior fellow at the Migration Policy Institute.

http://www.journalgazette.net/...

 Whenever Trump seemingly makes a mistake, he always comes back with a vengeance. We cannot know everything that is going on behind closed doors in Swampville. What we should know by now is that Trump doesn't like to lose. #winwinwin

Luke

Lindsay Perigo's picture

I changed my vote to MAYBE based on the argument from Trump via Twitter that the military can fund and build the border wall.

I would still have preferred a showdown to expose the traitors in Congress.

I'll change mine when construction begins. NEW wall, not just old stuff being fixed.

Ryan, McConnell, Schumer and Pelosi cooked all this up. RINO-Scum and Dem-Scum.

Hope

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Donald Trump's new economic advisor is Larry Kudlow. His new defense advisor is John Bolton. Both, in my judgment, qualify as slight neo-liberals. That means they go above and beyond mere vacuous, fatuous, worthless, hopeless conservatism in their thinking. They have minor elements of libertarianism in their belief-systems. What needs to happen is they need to get to work and teach the political novice and ignoramus Trump about government and the value of liberty in domestic and foreign policy.

Furthermore ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

It strikes me that filling out questionnaires and trying to drag Trump back to being anti-The Filth is futile. He has shown irrevocably that he doesn't really care about draining the swamp. I am still seething with disgust. If erstwhile pro-Trumpers are serious they must form a new movement, The Patriot Party, and have it ready for the mid-terms. This is civil war—Patriots vs The Filth—and Trump is now part of The Filth.

Ha, Bruno!

Lindsay Perigo's picture

President Trump needs our support against The Filth in his own party, the Dumbocratic party, the Deep State, the Media, the UN, almost the entire world in fact.

It freaks me out when he joins The Filth. Laura Ingraham reported the other night she'd been in a funk for two days over this. I know the feeling.

The Filth:

1) RINOs who clearly predominate in the House and Senate (McConnell and Ryan for Gitmo!);

2) Dem-Scum (Crooked, Obamarx, Schumer and Pelosi for Gitmo!);

3) Dem-Scum-supporting Obleftivists like Ghastly and Bwook (to Gitmo with all of ARISIS);

4) Moronnials (present company excepted). That loathsome adolescent horror who's now spokesthing for the anti-gun lobby is a Hitler in the making;

5) Ugly Wimmin;

6) The Media (Anderson Cooper and all of Fake News for Gitmo!);

7) Academia.

8 ) Islamosavages.

Et al.

It's The Filth vs The Patriots. Help bring Trump back into the latter camp by filling out this questionnaire:

https://action.donaldjtrump.co...

Maybe...

Jmaurone's picture

But that's only predicated on the counter-arguments I've seen by Trump's defenders claiming that this is only an "omnibus of suggested spending", that it's not the final deal, that things can be rejected, later on. If that's truly the case, then, "maybe." But hold his feet to the fire.

"Leadership is obliged to justify itself daily." Isabel Paterson

equivalent

Brant Gaede's picture

This is equivalent to "Read my lips, no new taxes." It may not cost Trump the presidency but it might cost Reps control of Congress this year as the base stays home, just like 1992.

The actual content of the spending bill doesn't much matter, frankly. But Trump was and is blind to the more general considerations. Maybe he's a coward.

--Brant

Maybe...

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Republicans have a tradition of wantonly jerking the federal deficit thru the roof. And Objectivists and libertarians have a tradition of evading this fact. Such spendthrift irresponsibility and destructionism happened under Reagan, Bush senior, and Bush junior. Prior to Trump's election, he gave every indication that he would be the same, or even worse. His personal tradition is one of immense borrowing for his business, often at junk bond rates.

Trump doesn't have a libertarian bone in his body. He's never once said anything that sounded like he loved liberty -- or even knew what it was. Mitt Romney (who lost to Obama in 2012) was the same. Bush junior and Reagan, at least, were different.

So, in my evaluation, Trump has two strikes against him.

Still, I think he's an energetic go-getter and alpha-male with a winner persona. He's a quick learner who does listen and try to think things out. So maybe he will realize how desperately important it is to not bankrupt America. Maybe Trump will learn: Everything will die if we don't pay our bills. There will be a massive economic meltdown. Even money for defense will get cut, not raised, in the long term.

In economics, everything is fine, and there's never any problem...until there is. Then it's too late.

What happens if there's a war, depression, natural disaster, default crisis in Europe, default crisis among the 50 states, or something else? Trump and the Republicans are playing with fire. And the American people are utter morons and dirtbags for allowing this horror so ignorantly and casually.

Resounding yes

BrunoT's picture

We may lose a battle, but we will win the war.

President Trump needs our support against The Filth in his own party, the Dumbocratic party, the Deep State, the Media, the UN, almost the entire world in fact.

This was never meant to be easy.

#MAGA!

Changing My No Vote to Maybe

Luke Setzer's picture

I was looking forward to some executive KASS but instead got a major letdown with major negative implications for our future.

I voted NO.

I cannot think of a single good reason not to have vetoed this monstrosity.

UPDATE:

I changed my vote to MAYBE based on the argument from Trump via Twitter that the military can fund and build the border wall.

I would still have preferred a showdown to expose the traitors in Congress.

I voted no ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

I'm still incandescently, rationally angry. At this point I'm sticking with what I tweeted him:

You didn't have to waste money on Dem giveaways. You chose to. You sold out. You caved. You choked. You embraced The Swamp. Sanctuary Cities? Planned Parenthood? Chuck Schumer's pork? Record deficits? You betrayed your base. Shame on you! One-term president.

It's even worse because he tweeted that he was thinking of vetoing and then signed. Pelosi's and Schumer's gloating have been insufferable. And I refuse even to imagine what Bwook the Cwook's gloating will be like. How that Obleftivist tweasonist must love the continuation of borders open to all varieties of his fellow-Filth! Ugh!!

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