[Today's Reprise] Picture of the baby I'm sending off to school

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[Today's Reprise] Picture of the baby I'm sending off to school

I cannot believe I am sending this baby off to Montessori school tomorrow! It seems only yesterday she was just a fetus! Smiling I cried yesterday in Target when I bought her a little lunchbox and a Nemo backpack.


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Thanx for the Update

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it is indeed much detail, but I fully understand why you wrote it - I'm the same when it comes to children and I don't mind at all ;]

I especially liked hearing that her main teacher can handle her emotional outbursts so well - few people I've met with children (teachers and parents alike) can handle them: find a safe surrounding and let them get it out of the system - mostly they just try to hush them up, which usually is completely futile - I'm impressed that there are even schools like that these days - though I'd venture a guess that it also very much depends on the personality of this particular teacher

I hope she keeps enjoying her school - and don't worry about the restrictions - I was the same initially thinking that it can never be the best, but once kids get the basics down pat, they can handle deviations from the 'norm' they are used to at home - after all: the whole world can't be as perfect as Mom, but Mom has a Life, too Smiling

Thanx again and looking forward to another occasional update (if you feel like it) - maybe over in the parenting group - I'm sure Tenya'd be also very interested

VSD

VSD

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Thanks for your interest. School is mostly going well for Livy. She loves the social interaction, and I love that she gets to dust furniture, sweep, and watch older kids tracing letters all day if she wants to. She looks forward to going every day, and mostly, I feel really good about leaving her there. I do have a few issues with the school, but so far, they are things I can live with because of lack of better options. I don't like how rigid they can be. When the children eat their lunch or sit in a circle, they have to sit a certain way, do things in a certain order. I would like it if there was more freedom. One of her teachers, not the main one or it would be a bigger deal, is kind of cold and can speak too sharply to the children. She has learned some attitudes and phrases from the kids I don't like (like, "O-KAY, Mama, I'm COMING!") And they do a little too much multicultural stuff, like studying different religious holidays and talking about black history month.

She is really too little to take much notice of the multiculturalism; she is more interested in the tire swing and the beans she put into a cup with a spoon. As far as her interactions with others, we talk about them all the time, and as much as you can with a 3 year old, I try to pass on our values. When she tells me that her friend was mean and said that she couldn't play with her unless she gave her the toy, I tell her that she will have to decide which she wants more, the play time or the toy. I also tell her that we don't try to make people do things. We want to do things our way, and we let other people do things their way. We talk about how it affects her relationships when she is hit or does some hitting. Basically, I know they stop bad behavior (and in a good way), but I try to give her the oinput I don't think she gets about why the behavior is bad and what bad things do to us and to people around us. I don't know how much sinks in, but I figure if we keep talking, eventually she'll get more and more and the lines of communication will stay open.

I validate her feelings about the teacher she doesn't like, how hard it is to take turns, and generally try to give her the understanding without placating her that I think she probably doesn't get enough of. In my experience with people at the school and everywhere else, they either dismiss children's feelings or give in too much. I would rather they did it like me, not giving in, but still talking about how she feels about it. It is very hard to know that I could do it so much better, but I want to be doing my gymnastics work, and so she gets something not as good. I wish I had more options.

I do like that her school is very hands off in the true Montessori way. Some days all she does is color. They do not push her to do academic type work, but sometimes she brings home pages of sandpaper letters she has done rubbings of. I like knowing that these things are available to her, but that she chooses them herself.

She had a very hard time when she first started whenever she didn't get her way, and I loved that her teacher handled it just as I did when she had tantrums at home. She would say, "Livy, I am afraid you will hurt yourself if you flop down and cry on the hard floor. I'll help you move to the carpet or the grass." Then she would ignore her tantrum. Livy learned very quickly that it was no good to scream and cry. Her teacher has always been like that - very emotionally available to talk or comfort or explain, but also unruffled by toddler behavior. Her attitude is like mine - "I would love to talk about this when you stop screaming. Come to me then." All said with kindness and evenness of temper. I do love her teacher!

This is probably more that you ever wanted, but once I got going, I couldn't stop!

Kelly

Update?

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Thanx for reprising this thread ..

I'd be glad to get an update on your experiences with her school - hope she's doing well Smiling

VSD

Bright eyes

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Beautiful kid, Kelly.

--Brant

Asthma

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It seems that there is an important health benefit for pre-schooling: the idea is that kids give each other their upper respiratory infections and are thus, statistically, less likely to get asthma, a condition alarmingly on the rise in children.

I can't give any references on this.

My Mother started the Tucson Community School nearly 60 years ago so I would have decent pre-schooling, but it is based on the Bank Street School in NYC and its aim was and still is primarily to socialize the little beggars. For me, those were wasted, boring years. Since it tolerated the formation of cliques--that is it was oblivious to them, its working premise was a joke.

--Brant

Shocked . .

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yeah, I can see that. Montessori isn't my ideal; I would prefer that they didn't initiate lessons, but waited for Livy to ask how to use something. But, she is so so so so social that we had to do something. She was at the gym with me all summer, but she can't come to work with me in the fall, and she needs to be around people a lot. Also, I think the orderliness of the environment and routines will give her a feeling of security. It has been my observation that people like her (and me) need routines and calm to help us feel comfortable with big big emotions. I also just think the Montessori eenvironment is fabulous. The manipulatives, the clean, pretty space, everything being child-sized. And the school where Livy is going uses no punishment at all, which is an essential for us. That would have been a deal-breaker, but a little more instruction that we'd like wasn't.

Kelly

I was shocked to hear you

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I was shocked to hear you were preparing the little tyke for school. I hope that turns out positively.

Peter

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Peter - I am under no obligation to start a thread for you. If you need one you can certainly start one yourself.

You wrote much more than

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You wrote much more than that.

Put it on another thread and I'll reply as you deserve.

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Peter

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Peter - I wrote, "As a parent, you are responsible for making sure that this does not happen to your child. Check and ask first."

Then you wrote, "Adam does not offer useful advice."

If you can give advice more useful than "check and ask first," many parents and their children will be grateful to you. Somehow I doubt that you are up to the task.

> Ah yes, Paul and I are

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> Ah yes, Paul and I are hoping to have gay Martian children.

Diana, that won't work...everyone knows that Martians bud, they don't reproduce sexually.

Kelly, I agree there are

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Kelly, I agree there are plenty of Montesomething schools about. I said as much below.

As Dr Montessori's name has no legal protection, that has unfortunately meant that as Montessori education has become more popular, too many charlatans have seen it as their chance to make piles of money without anything more Montessori about their schools than the sign out front.

That is certainly outrageous. What is more outrageous is a so-called Objectivist using that as a reason to denigrate real Montessori schools.

That Montesomething schools exist does not mean people should avoid Montessori schools. It should not be taken as an opportunity to call real Montessori schools or the Montessorians who run them "fascists," or to call Dr Montessori "a fascist."

To do that is something I will only describe in a separate thread.

The thing to do then is to seek out real Montessori schools, and to avoid the Montesomethings.

The way to do that is to know something about the Montessori Method yourself so you can judge what you're looking at, and to make use of organisations like NAMTA and Association Montessori Internationale or the various international AMI affiliates to find good AMI schools in your area, and then to assess them for yourself.

That would have been useful advice.

But Adam does not offer useful advice. As has become all too common, Adam offers instead the opposite of any sense of perspective.

As I said above, I suggest Adam starts a separate thread so I can tell him properly what I think of him and of the relevance and appropriateness of his claims -- I don't wish to further pollute this one.

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Actually, Peter, Adam is right. There are a tone of pseudo Montessori schools where everything is so regimented kids can hardly breathe without getting specific instructions. There are also a ton of hippy ones that are equally non-Montessori (in the best sense of the word). I'm glad Adam is warning people about them. It would be horrible for a parent to think that they were getting a kind, loving, thought out environment where children are treated with respect and their individual needs nurtured, only to find that they are getting a military camp for toddlers.

I'll post later on Livy's specific school, as I think it is a marvelous place.

Kelly

Schmuck

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Adam, whatever that has to do with Kelly's baby photos only you know. If you want to pollute this thread with this sort of stuff it only tells me more about you than we really need to know.

If you do want to fling stuff like this, then start a new thread where I can tell you properly what I think of you and your claims.

Schmuck.

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She is absolutley adorable

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She is absolutley adorable Smiling

Peter

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Peter, get a mirror.

That Montessori was a Fascist, in the literal meaning of card-carrying member of Mussolini's Fascist Party between 1926 and 1934, and that she was appointed by Mussolini as Government Inspector of Schools for Italy during that period, is well documented. If necessary, I'll dig up Marsha Enright's paper with complete citations for this fact - or you can google it for yourself.

And as a parent warning others about my own daughter's experience in a "Montessori" school, I kind of wonder how you relate your invective on this thread to reality.

Do you have children? Have you observed the different kinds of Montessori schools in action? Please explain.

Excellent, Diana! Can't wait

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Excellent, Diana! Can't wait to see the pictures Eye

Whatever that teacher was,

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Whatever that teacher was, she wasn't a Montessori directress. One of the things that strikes visitors to Montessori classrooms is the relative serenity and sense of quiet purpose that surrounds the children and directress.

Adam's hyperbole.

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Unfortunately there are far too many Montesomething schools about, but not as many as examples of Adam's unfortunate tendency to hyperbole.

To flatly say in a conversation like this that Dr Montessori "bacame a Fascist in her old age," and that "some 'Montessori Schools' teach a Fascist version" is frankly just dumb. Flat out dumb.

Adam and facts don't seem to sit well together.

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My youngest went to a Montessori school for two years and in the end I pulled her out, disgusted. I think we struck the Fascist variety. The teacher used to shriek at the children when she got frustrated. I cannot abide adults screaming at small children, let alone paying for it. When I confronted her about it, I just got denial.

At the last interview with her teacher, after being told how badly my daughter was doing in all subjects, I asked her where she thought my daughter's strengths lay ( I knew of course).

She replied that she didn't know! After having her for two years in a class of 20 kids? We quit that day. They had been hard pressed to find a Montessori trained teacher in the first place so I knew she wouldn't be replaced, no matter how un-Montessori her methods were.

Gay Martian Children

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Ross said: "I heartily recommend them to all SOLOists, whether or not they intend to have children, straight or gay, Earthling or Martian."

Ah yes, Paul and I are hoping to have gay Martian children. Eye

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Have you read much

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Have you read much Montessori, Kelly? Her books not only specify the methodology but are, in many parts, the most uplifting and beautiful expositions of the young mind and its desire to learn & flourish that you may ever read.

I heartily recommend them to all SOLOists, whether or not they intend to have children, straight or gay, Earthling or Martian. Montessori has as much to tell us about our adult selves as she does about our children.

Montessori

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Kelly, you already know this - I am posting it for the benefit of any other parents reading this thread.

Maria Montessori was a genius, but unfortunately she bacame a Fascist in her old age, and some "Montessori Schools" teach a Fascist version. In the Fascist version, each kit of Montessori learning materials is to be used only for its specifically authorized purpose. If a child is creative and experiments, doing unauthorized, inventive stuff with the materials, the teachers in the Fascist kind of Montessori school get negative, and may even take the materials away from the child. As a parent, you are responsible for making sure that this does not happen to your child. Check and ask first.

Wonderful news

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Congratulations!  Let us know how it goes with your daughter. 

My son just turned 1 yesterday but I'm already on the look-out for Montessori style pre-schools in the area.  Unfortunately, there doesn't appear to be any in my area Sad

John Drake

Jennifer . . .

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you are right; should be an interesting day for all involved. The great thing about Montessori is that when Livy says (very loudly) "No, don't touch, I do it with myself!!!" (translated to "for myself"), they will be pleased with her rather than irritated.

Kelly

Thanks, guys.

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Thanks for all the compliments on her clearely stunning looks! Smiling

Ross, Montessori always starts at about 2 1/2, the real program, not exactly preschool. This age is when the Montessori method really shines, focusing on the senses and fact gathering from reality. They do have an elementary program at our school, but it is a bit too schooly for me.

Claudia, your Princy-pal story is hilarious!

Kelly

Heartstrings alright!

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Kelly! She's beeeeeautiful. Reminds me of the part in Nemo... "hold my fin, hold my fin!"

On my youngest daughter's first day of school, my mum (her grandma) was the principal. Ruby kept demanding to "see the Princy-PAL" every time something didn't go according to her wishes in the classroom. Delusions of grandeur!

Kelly, she's gorgeous. I

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Kelly, she's gorgeous.

I assume that's Montessori pre-school? Do they have a Montessori elementary in your area as well? Maria's Method is what all kids deserve Smiling

Reminds me

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Reminds me of when mine first went to Montessori school. Heartstrings...

Look out Montessori!

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I'd like to be a fly on the wall for her first day. Smiling

Jennifer

-- Food Philosophy. Sensuality. Sass.

She's a doll.

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Enjoy every moment you have with her because they grow up oh so fast, and you wonder where all the years went. I now have two granddaughters who melt my heart every time I look at them.

L W

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