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Post from my other half about Pluto <I have introduced him to SOLO>Submitted by Sandi on Fri, 2006-08-25 08:10.
This is Sandi's other half who has been "encouraged" to make a post here after a discussion we had about the demise of Pluto from being the ninth planet. For many years I've discussed this issue with people and I've always been convinced that Pluto wasn't really a planet. For some reason, with a PhD in physics, people seem to expect me to be an expert on astronomy too. It has been extensively reported how despite a move to make Pluto and a few other objects achieve the classification of planet, the International Astronomical Union (IAU) General Assembly voted on a series of resolutions about the definition of what is a planet. From a purely scientific perspective, it doesn't really matter what you classify as a planet, it is really only of direct relevance to books and school science lessons. The resolutions voted on are listed here. (1) A planet1 is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape, and (c) has cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit. (2) A dwarf planet is a celestial body that (a) is in orbit around the Sun, (b) has sufficient mass for its self-gravity to overcome rigid body forces so that it assumes a hydrostatic equilibrium (nearly round) shape2, (c) has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit, and (d) is not a satellite. (3) All other objects3 orbiting the Sun shall be referred to collectively as "Small Solar System Bodies". 1The eight planets are Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, and Neptune. 2An IAU process will be established to assign borderline objects into either dwarf planet and other categories. 3These currently include most of the Solar System asteroids, most Trans-Neptunian Objects (TNOs), comets, and other small bodies. Pluto is classed as a dwarf planet by virtue of it not passing rule 1c as its orbit crosses the orbit of Neptune and therefore it hasn't cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit. However nobody has applied the logic to Neptune, whose orbit is crossed by Pluto and therefore it too has not cleared the neighbourhood around its orbit. Logically if object A crosses the orbit of object B then neither A nor B are planets. This seems to have been a very poorly defined definition of what is a planet. Now the above issue is not the only problem, there are many other possible orbital arrangements where you could have very large objects which by any definition should be a planet violate the orbital clearing requirement. To give you an idea of just how complex orbits can be, there is the amazing example of how two moons orbiting Saturn swap their orbits every four year in a complex orbital dance which is described here. For further descriptions, just search on "Saturn Epimetheus Janus" in Google. The more you understand of orbital mechanics, the less you understand of the rational of the definition selected and approved by the IAU. Mike
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What matters is that the "science" they used for the definition is very flawed, not just from the logic failure that I spotted, but also from a scientific point of view too.
It seems there is now quite a backlash over the vote, with some people who have a good understanding of the subject pointing out huge holes in the definition, e.g. the head of the NASA program sending a probe to Pluto who discussed the errors here.
The huge problem is that the requirement of clearing the neighbourhood means we can not count the Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Neptune or Pluto as planets since they all share their orbits with up to 100,000 objects (Jupiter).
So this is sloppy science at its best from a group that one would / should expect to show a high degree of skill from years of experience.
Anyway, seeing how the PC brigade has managed to get all the Tom and Jerry cartoons edited to remove smoking (but not the violent bits), the Disney Pluto had better watch out for his own safety too.
I think I'll vote for Pluto - for head of the IAU.
Pity poor Colin Matthews
His "Pluto" to complete Holst's "Planets Suite" was not needed after all.
Poor Pluto...
...all the big planets keep picking on him.
Now they can call him names! Celestial taunting...
"You're full of gas!" "You're all wet!" "Well, you rotate sideways!" "Dwarf planet, nah nah!"
Lol, you're right, though...these rules aren't very good.
But, does it really matter? I mean, at least Pluto gets a name, not just a number like some planets. I imagine, as we move out in space, planets won't get names unless they're important, or being colonized. The original nine here at Sol will always be special to humankind.
Haha, maybe for kids it'll be like the vowels..."A, E, I, O, U, and sometimes Y." "Mercury, Venus, Earth, Mars, Jupiter, Saturn, Uranus, Neptune, and sometimes Pluto."
Melissa
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I can understand why they decided to make Pluto a non-planet. It's basically just an icy round asteroid at the edge of the solar system. It sounds like they couldn't come up with a definition of "planet" that would include Pluto and exclude half a dozen other planet hopefuls.
But I see what you mean that the definition they settled on is unclear.
--Dan Edge
It's all very confusing.
It's all very confusing. Pluto's been both a planet *and* a Disney character for as long as I've been alive.
The lesson is clear: Disney is more reliable than any number of planetologists.