British General Seeks to Lose Iraq War

Jeff Perren's picture
Submitted by Jeff Perren on Thu, 2006-10-12 23:49

Assuming BBC news or the Daily Mail isn't twisting his words, the remarks of the head of the British army in Iraq have to be among the dumbest ever uttered by a military commander.

UPDATE: 10/14 (http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag...
/news/news.html?in_article_id=410163&in_page_id=1770)

"Sir Richard told the newspaper: 'We are in a Muslim country and Muslims' views of foreigners in their country are quite clear.

'As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited in a country, but we weren't invited certainly by those in Iraq at the time.'"
(http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_...)

Yes, General Dannatt, next time the U.S. or the UK decide to invade some Islamic slave pen, we should be sure to get an invitation first.

Sheesh.

He is right in one way, the opposite of what he intended. With people like this in charge, there is no hope of winning and coalition forces should withdraw immediately.

Preferably, however, HE will be withdrawn immediately.

(BBC story drawn from interview in the Daily Mail.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pag...
news.html?in_article_id=410178&in_page_id=1770)


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Agree, but...

Jeff Perren's picture

"Jeff, yes the first thing is nuts, but the second is less so."

Marcus,

I agree, and further that he actually made some very fine comments. (And apparently acted on them; such as his view that soliders serving in the field should be paid more.)

I agree with him that wounded soldiers are entitled to separate facilities.

It is just those pro-military sentiments that makes his view a puzzling mish-mash. You'd think the guy was running for office.

I appreciate your comments, though, and hope you'll add more. I'd like to understand better what the British are thinking.

First he touts Christianity as the bedrock of British values...

Marcus's picture

"First he touts Christianity as the bedrock of British values, then decries civilian injured being in hospital beds next to wounded soldiers."

Jeff, yes the first thing is nuts, but the second is less so. It all stems from the very recent case whereby a soldier wounded in Iraq was placed in a civilian hospital and a Muslim patient approached the soldier and started to shout obscenities at him.

Frankly, that is both disgusting and unacceptable.

John -tied hands

AdamReed's picture

John - "They're forcing our troops to fight with tied hands."

That is not the worst about the nuts that are running things in Washington. The worst about them is that they sent the troops into war without a coherent plan for winning it. And that they never thought they needed one. And that they still don't.

Update on Dannett remarks

Jeff Perren's picture

A later story in the Daily Mail does not enclose this statement:

"As a foreigner, you can be welcomed by being invited in a country, but we weren’t invited certainly by those in Iraq at the time."

in quotes, attributing it to Dannett. It may well be, knowing the British press near-zero regard for truth and objectivity, that the Daily Mail is attempting to put words into his mouth.

(What is quoted is bad enough, however. As Thomas Sowell points out in a recent article, never in the history of warfare has a General stated a timetable for removing troops before a cease-fire has been declared.)

The other quoted remarks in the story are so silly and inconsistent that one can't put any confidence in the story at all. First he touts Christianity as the bedrock of British values, then decries civilian injured being in hospital beds next to wounded soldiers.

Jeff

jd

jtgagnon's picture

Point taken. I agree with you.

Who Ties the Hands?

Jeff Perren's picture

John,

I agree that the politicians bear much responsibility. But I maintain that they are not primary. As a whole, (most) journalists and professors bear much more responsibility. True, the politicians show no backbone in opposing them, but they are -- to a large degree -- responding to 'public' pressure and intellectual pressure in their actions. They are carrying out the 'will of the people' as reported to them by those two.

Could we say...

jtgagnon's picture

Could we say that MOST American politicians are far worse? Methinks so. The primary reason why America seems so impotent these days is because of the nuts that are running things in Washington. They're forcing our troops to fight with tied hands.

What Do You Think?

Jeff Perren's picture

I think that with allies like that you hardly need enemies. At least, I would think that except that many American politicians (not to mention the journalists) are far worse.

In fact...

Marcus's picture

...Tony Blair has told the press that he agrees with everything that Dannatt has said in the interviews. What do you think about that?

The media frenzy over here has been more about Dannatt saying we should pull out of Iraq soon - however as Blair points out he made the condition the "objective" should had been achieved first.

Yes

Greg Mullen's picture

good point.

Outweighed

Jeff Perren's picture

Greg,

Whatever validity and value his remarks might have is totally undercut by the fact that he expressed them publicly. Such talk only aids the enemy, since it gives them reason to believe that if they can only hold out long enough we will withdraw. That is exactly how the Vietnam War was lost.

It simply doesn't help the effort for a high ranking British officer to publicly agree with the editorial views of the New York Times.

General offers valuable criticism

Greg Mullen's picture

He must not care much about his job but he makes some interesting points.

I don’t agree with all of his reasons for leaving but what are we doing there? As far as I can tell we just set up a different Islamic slave pen and started a proxy war with Iran that we cannot win fighting in Iraq.

Yep. Imagine what would have

Ross Elliot's picture

Yep. Imagine what would have happened if Montgomery, Patton or Freyberg had taken that attitude in North Africa, 1942-43.

My father...

...chased Italians and Germans around El Alamein without an invitation. Gatecrasher extraordinaire!

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