Let the Holocaust deniers speak out

Marcus's picture
Submitted by Marcus on Fri, 2006-12-22 08:25

Good article from the Times. It mentions David Irving's release from prison - a stupid act by the Austrian authorities.

How was it again: "I do not agree with what you say, but I defend (to death) your right to say it." No, I personally wouldn't actually defend a statement that was odious and evil with my life! It would have to be more worthy than that! But I would argue for free (evil) speech until I am blue in the face!

Let the Holocaust deniers speak out.

"Hidden, banned and imprisoned, they achieve a cachet and a credibility that they do not deserve. Let them speak, and with every word, they condemn themselves."


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jokes,bias and holocaust

Leonid's picture

Leonid
"the American government has taken a huge bias stance towards Israel...It's all just Jew propaganda. In many ways, it's worse than Islam - we've all become apologists for the Jews.. "
Emma, you are right about this. American government also had taken a huge bias toward UK and against Germany during WW2 since America was fighting against Nazism then as it is fighting against Islamo-fascism today. But,of course,you may dismiss it as jewish propaganda and conspiracy.In any case historicaly holocaust was unprecendental attempt of industrial extermination of the whole nation.If one is able to make jokes about it he is hopelessly sick.

hmmm

Landon Erp's picture

Systematically trying to round up an entire (extremely large) group of people. Placing them in camps where they are treated under sub-animal conditions. Seriously lab animals are usually treated better than the average prisoner of a concentration camp.

In the worst cases people were killed simply as jokes for some mid-level leader's amusement. Or purposly placed in situations that haunt even survivors (mothers having to choose which of their children will be executed in front of them). And that's stuff that happened in camps that didn't even have gas chambers.

I'll grant that other people may have TRIED to do something worse, but nothing worse has been successfully executed. Granted the trail of tears and the Cambodian march to the farmland comes to mind as the most easily comparable, but NOTHING was ever this bad.

You lose your perspective on this when you think morality is something best dispensed with.

---Landon

Inking is sexy.

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/wickedlakes

Leonid " I'm not going to

Leonid's picture

Leonid
" I'm not going to give undue weight to the holocaust when it is by far not the worst thing that has ever happened to a race, or group of people. "
What was the worst? Tell us and we may have a lot of fun about it.

Horrors of the Twentieth Century.

Olivia's picture

Considering that between Stalin and Hitler, 12 million Jews were murdered and dehumanised despicably, it was the most atrocious racial abuse of the twentieth century. Nothing else comes close. You'd be hard pressed to come up with anything that compares during any century actually.

Jokes

Suma's picture

I think anyone and anything can be the subject of a joke, and I have definitely laughed at many a joke targeting the latest tragedy in the news, but I do stop finding such jokes funny once I grasp the enormity of the tragedy - I may appreciate that a joke is clever, but no belly laughs. So I don't think I can laugh at any joke targeting the victims of the Holocaust or 9/11. Is this a common reaction? I wonder if it is a Sense Of Life thing (...I'm still on chapter 1 of RM).

Emma

Erik's picture

What kind of crack cocaine are you smoking?!?!?

---American government has taken a huge bias stance towards Israel as of late (completely unfounded, of course).

WTF does that mean? 

Ok..

Emma Kathryn's picture

Perhaps I'm refering mainly to making jokes about the holocaust, and the fact that the American government has taken a huge bias stance towards Israel as of late (completely unfounded, of course).

And Leonid, I'm by no means saying that the holocaust wasn't horrible, but plenty of unspeakable things have happened in human history, and still go on today, so I'm not going to give undue weight to the holocaust when it is by far not the worst thing that has ever happened to a race, or group of people. 

Jews...

Matty Orchard's picture

Get made fun of all the time! Not just sarcastically like in Borat, watch South Park! Or any Woody Allen film, or episode of Curb Your Enthusiasm. Jews love making fun of themselves more than anyone.

LeonidPlease Emma,criticise

Leonid's picture

Leonid

Please Emma,criticise the jews,make jokes about holocaust,but first go and visit Buchenwald in Germany or Yad va shem holocaust memorial in Israel.You may lose your taste for jokes,your appetite and your sleep for quite a while.

Errr, Emma.

Mitch's picture

Have you seen Borat? Smiling

Or the Simpsons?

Have you spotted the outrageous media bias against Israel in their conflict with the Palestinians/Arab world?

From what I have seen, the Jews are subject to a substantial amount of criticism, comedy, and hatred. They seem to handle it remarkably well, and, in Sacha Baron Cohen's case, join right in!

The Holocaust is different, and I don't begrudge for one minute the anger of Jewish people in response to Holocaust deniers, even though they may not go about it in the correct way regarding free speech.

I personally wouldn't piss on a Holocaust denier if they were on fire. You can't equate Holocaust denial with criticism.

Exactly

Emma Kathryn's picture

It's all just Jew propaganda. In many ways, it's worse than Islam - we've all become apologists for the Jews.. "Use Jesus' name in vain, you can make some jokes, but watch yourself with Islam... BUT FOR GOD'S SAKE DON'T CRITICISE THE JEWS"...

And, see, even now I feel the need to clarify - I am not a Jew-hater.. not even close! But the fact that I can't even make a joke, if I so wish, without being seen as some Nazi really grinds my gears..

The right to speak (absolutely)

Sandi's picture

What is the difference in denying the Holocaust, believing conspiracy theories, global warming and or in a God? It is for the people decide.

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