Stiffer laws, more jails do not deter crime

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Submitted by KevinOwen on Sat, 2007-08-04 01:47

Stiffer laws, more jails do not deter crime

Stiffer laws, more jails do nothing to deter crime and can be seen to make things worse. More Crime, leads to more police which leads to more jails which cultivates more criminals, leading to more crime, more police more jails etc.

If we produce more criminals than we rehabilitate, we are on a downward spiral. If we turn that around and rehabilitate more criminals than we create, only then can the tide of rising crime and violence turn. The figures speak for themselves. The 85 percent re-offending rate makes a mockery of current psychiatric-oriented rehabilitation methods, demonstrating that, for all intents and purposes, there is in fact no such thing as criminal rehabilitation practised by these so called experts.

We continue to blame the criminal for the rise in crime and violence. How can they rehabilitate themselves, when the so call experts [psychiatrists, psychologists, criminologists and sociologists etc] who the tax payer has forked out a fortune to - and most criminals have visited endlessly to get some help – are only able to produce an 85% re-offending rate. With statistics like that, one might think that they had a hidden agenda to produce more criminals and crime.

If you put criminals in charge of crime, one would expect more crime. Are the above really experts? Experts get results, which is something they have failed to do. Many are unable to help themselves let alone others (I refer to the higher than normal suicide rate among those professionals).

If a factory produced a product that had an 85% defect rate, it would be closed down. What does our government do? It throws more money at this dead horse. It didn't work in the first place and has shown not to work now. We have been conditioned to accept a failure rate [85%] that couldn't go any higher if we worked at increasing it!

Real rehabilitation seems to be a thing of the past in the schools of crime [prisons]. Is it because there is no way to rehabilitate the criminal, once he/she has learnt the trade, or is it that those in charge of rehabilitation, have failed miserably to do anything about the problem?

I would go with the latter. Criminals can be rehabilitated and are being rehabilitateted. It’s about time we demanded results and accountability for our bucks.

My website covers many successful programs, with pilots and statistics that could turn crime, literacy and drug problems on their head: http://www.rehabnz.co.nz

If we continue to follow the same path as we are today and pour more money into failed programs, without accountability, things can only get worse. The existing system has shown that over a period of thirty years, with Ministers of Corrections and Police screaming every election year that things are improving because statistics show a miserable two half percent decline in some areas of crime, no one believes this spin anymore. Let’s hope the current Minister of Corrections, Hon Phill Goff is able to do something constructive about our dangerous environment [crime, violence, drugs etc] or will he just be seen as another ‘has been’ - like the Corrections Ministers before him - with an increase in crime over the period they reigned. He has the power, but will he use it wisely?


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Rehabilitating 800 inmates at a time in one program

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Rehabilitating 800 inmates at a time in one program.
The same program is being implement throughout indonesian prisons

Second Chance Program [youtube video]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Criminon Indonesia
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...

Government Spends $468 Billion on Drug Abuse Costs

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Government Spends $468 Billion on Drug Abuse Costs
According to a recent report released by The National Center on Addiction and Substance Abuse (CASA) drug and alcohol use and addiction cost local, state and federal governments around $467.7 billion in 2005.

The new 287 page report entitled Shoveling Up II: The Impact of Substance Abuse on the Federal, State and Local Budgets, found that 96.5% of those funds or $357.4 billion went to handle the negative consequences of addiction including crime, homelessness, child abuse and welfare, and healthcare costs, to name a few.

But the biggest surprise is that only 1.9% of the funds went to drug rehab with even the Chairman of CASA agreeing that there has been a major shortage of appropriations to the right resources.

In the Chairman’s Statement, Joseph A. Califano Jr. announced that,

“Under any circumstances spending more than 95 percent of taxpayer dollars on the consequences of tobacco, alcohol and other drug abuse and addiction and less than two percent to relieve individuals and taxpayers of this burden would be considered a reckless misallocation of public funds.” He then went on to say, “In these economic times, such upside-down-cake public policy is unconscionable.”

And Mr. Califano is not the only one who can see that there has been a major problem in regards to substance abuse spending in our country. Politicians, private and public sector leaders are promoting the fiscal viability of effective drug rehabilitation programs. Erica Catton, Director of Public Services for Narconon Eastern U.S. agrees that the only way to fully handle addiction is through successful drug rehab practices. Having spent the last 8 years helping communities and families handle drug addiction, Mrs. Catton says,

“Cleaning up the mess that addiction causes without rehabilitating the individual will only create a bigger problem. Without effective treatment available, they will continue to create problems for themselves, their family and those around them. When you actually rehabilitate them through effective treatment, they will begin to clean up their own lives and the problems that they so often cause. The key is improving their abilities to handle life so they are no longer being controlled by their addiction.”

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I'd guess 'williamgeorge' is an auto-spammer, similar to the 'oil painting' one I saw recently on another thread. It would probably take a more sophisticated human verification (e.g. what do the letters in the mangled, wavy graphical word say?) step on joining or posting to prevent such things.

Aaron

have you been paid or

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have you been paid or something?

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Greg Newbolt knows his stuff

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Some history below of criminal rehab programs by Greg Newbold. Greg Newbolt knows his stuff. He is an expert on the failures of corrections systems world wide. He does seem to tell it as it is.

Criminology [The scientific study of crime and criminals] The criminologist doesn't rehabilitate anyone. He or she just studies crime and criminals [statistics etc].

One could say a criminologist [academic] is an expert in the scientific study of crime and criminals [those criminals and crime which he has studied]. If you asked a criminologist to rehabilitate a criminal though he/she wouldn't know where to start. As Newbold points out anyway, the whole field has failed to find anything that works after 100 years of experimenting [Greg Newbolds Words. For almost 100 years, NZ governments have been experimenting with different sentencing strategies.]. It would be hard to convince someone that you had a program that did work, if he had spent his whole career [30yrs +] studying failed programs. [He would know nothing works] Even now corrections states that the conditions under which a hand picked group of criminals maybe rehabilitated is still an experiment?

Quote:
CRIMINAL REOFFENDING and the FAILURE of CORRECTIONS:
Rehabilitating Criminals Ain’t That Easy

1hr address to the Northern Judges’ Conference, 1 November 2006

‘Nothing Works’Scientific scepticism about the chances of reforming criminals began about 60 years ago.
Between 1937 and 1945, 650 delinquent boys in Boston were divided into 2 matched cohorts to study the effects of different forms of treatment.
During this time the experimental group got intensive counselling, and the control got none at all.
The result was slightly higher levels of offending among the experimental group.

But the big bomb landed in 1974 when Robert Martinson, having participated in an assessment of 234 rehabilitation programs reported worldwide, found hardly any that were effective.

He concluded:
"With few and isolated exceptions, the rehabilitative efforts that have been reported so far have had no appreciable effect on recidivism".

This created a storm of controversy which I’ll return to in a minute.

The New Zealand Experience
New Zealand’s experience with corrections has been no different.

For almost 100 years, NZ governments have been experimenting with different sentencing strategies.

* These began with the sentence of Reformative Detention in 1910, which was abandoned in 1954 because it wasn’t working,
* For juveniles, Borstal Training was established in 1924 and abandoned in 1981 as a result of astronomical recidivist figures: 70% within 2 yrs,
* And in 1961 Detention Centres started operating as a short sharp disciplinary shock for young 1st offenders.
DCs generated recidivist figures similar to Borstals so they were replaced in 1981 by Corrective Training.
CT recidivism was even higher than DC.
So CT ended in 2002.

For a while it was believed that the reason Borstals didn’t work was that reformable inmates were being contaminated by tough, intransigent, ‘bad apples’ who dominated in the Borstal system.
So in 1961 it was decided to try separating off hand-picked 1st offenders who were deemed reformable, and putting them in specialised borstals where educational, sport and training would be of very high quality.
Inmates in these centres would become involved in the local community and would be subject to intensive supervision and treatment.
Two such institutions were established, at Waipiata in C. Otago, and at Kaitoke near Wanganui.

9 years later it was discovered that reoffending among these ‘Star’ trainees was no different from the mainstream.

By the 1970s a number of NZ studies had failed to produce positive results.
In 1971 the DSW declared that the chances of rehabilitating young offenders were slim, and this was repeated by the PPRC in 1981.
This committee said:

We think a mistaken belief that prison can rehabilitate has influenced whatever policy and planning has been developed over the past 40 years, and is still a major factor in penal thinking, in spite of all the evidence to the contrary.

[The problem of political digestibility].

Rehabilitation Revived
So what happened?

The conclusion of Martinson in 1974 that ‘nothing works’ set off a storm of debate worldwide and following intense critical battering, Martinson eventually recanted.
Large numbers of researchers began to argue that interventions can be made to work if they are correctly designed and applied.

Most of them were psychologists who, using a complex statistical approach called ‘meta-analysis’, declared that many criminals can be rehabilitated if they get the right programs.

On the other hand, some meta-analysis produced different results and found that treatment was ineffective.
The problem, it seems, lies in the high level of subjectivity in the meta-analysis process, which allows the conscious or unconscious biases of researchers to subtly influence the way data are collected and organised.
That’s why researchers with the greatest commitment to the rehabilitative ideal tend to get the most positive findings.

But even the strongest advocates of rehabilitative interventions insist that getting positive results isn’t easy.

In order to work, a program must:

1. Correctly identify the ‘criminogenic needs’ of each offender.
2. Be tailor-made to address those needs.
3. Be delivered by staff who are:
a. properly trained;
b. fully committed to the objectives of the program.
4. Be adequately resourced.

If any of these conditions are absent, results can be zero or even negative.
We need to bear that in mind as come to analyse NZ’s efforts in this field.

Sensible Sentencing Trust

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SST's response:
Media Release:
9th January 2009

CATCH PHRASES JUST WON’T CUT IT – VICTIMS GROUP

A victim support organization is scathing of what they say are populist catch phrases aimed at discrediting the Governments commitment to overhaul home detention and parole laws.

A row has blown-up since Police and Corrections Minister Judith Collins said New Zealanders had lost faith in sentencing and parole laws and major changes were on the way.

Her comments were attacked by Kim Workman of Rethinking Crime and Punishment who accused the Government of pushing through legislation in absence of evidence-based research, good information and adequate consultation.

But Garth McVicar from Sensible Sentencing has leaped to the Ministers defence saying the catch-phrases used by Mr. Workman were just failed old clichés that had caused the problems New Zealand now faced.

“The only evidence required is already available for everyone to see, violent crime is escalating and child abuse and drug abuse is rampant, the time for talk is over.”

Mr. McVicar said the National / Act Government campaigned to get tough on crime and was elected in a landslide victory.”

That is the only consultation required, the Government has the support of the people, the Minister has a mandate to do exactly as she has said she will do.”

“I can understand why these so-called criminal justice professionals are starting to squeal, they are responsible for the mess our country is in – they have driven criminal justice policy and it has been a dismal failure.”

“The evidence is there for all to see.” ENDS

Garth McVicar 027 2487-919

Sensible Sentencing Trust

NZ Corrections Website

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Below are some snippets from the NZ Corrections Website. They admit that they have failed to acheive anything in the field of rehabilitation for serveral decades, because of a commonly held view that nothing works and offenders keep re-offending until they burn-out around 40yrs. But thats all changed now, reliable experimental evidence shows that some [psych based] "rehabilitation programs are successful with some offenders in some settings, when applied by some staff", which may give us a small reduction in re-offending in the future???? Who wouldn't believe someone who had been wrong for several decades???

Quote:
What works to prevent chronic repeat offending?

http://www.corrections.govt.nz...

148. ‘What works?’ as a way of preventing established offenders from continuing to offend has been one of the central questions in offender management for several decades. Until recently, the commonly held view was that ‘nothing works’ - established adult offenders continue offending until they ‘burn out’ sometime after the age of 40 years, and attempts to rehabilitate before then are pointless. More recently, however, reliable experimental evidence has accumulated suggesting that under certain circumstances rehabilitation can reduce the frequency and/or the seriousness of future offending, and occasionally shut it down entirely – ‘some rehabilitation programmes are successful with some offenders in some settings when applied by some staff’.(45) The ‘certain circumstances’ that must be provided to reduce the incidence of future imprisonable offences are summed up in the ‘risk-needs-responsivity model’.

149. Rehabilitation rates for established adult offenders remain low, however – typically 10 to a maximum of 30 percent. For inmates as a whole (Figure 11 above) rehabilitation has the potential to reduce the expected 73 percent reconviction at the end of four years, to 50 to 60 percent reconviction - perhaps a one-third reduction in offending and also in victimisation.

180. The $10.184m proposal for services for Community Probation Service offenders will have a larger effect on imprisonment. Assuming that the 400 intensive programme places are allocated to high-risk cases, the 2,100 standard programme places to average-risk cases, and the brief harm reduction programme places to low-risk cases, imprisonment is estimated to reduce by 2.1 percent of prison capacity in the first year after programme initiation, and by 4 percent in the second year and thereafter.(64)
181. In summary, the provision of an additional $13.589m of alcohol and drug treatment services to offenders in the corrections system is estimated to reduce imprisonment by 285 sentences in the first year after programme initiation and by 460 sentences per year thereafter - which is 3.6 percent of prison capacity in year one and 5.8 percent in year two.

Newbold, Greg. "Integrated Offender Management:

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1. Newbold, Greg. "Integrated Offender Management: New Zealand's Latest Experiment in Criminal Rehabilitation" Paper presented at the annual meeting of the AMERICAN SOCIETY OF CRIMINOLOGY, Atlanta Marriott Marquis, Atlanta, Georgia
Publication Type: Conference Paper/Unpublished Manuscript
Abstract: Since 1910, New Zealand has been engaged in a constant search to find a method of rehabilitating criminals that really works. In 1996, inspired by the work of Canadian criminologist Paul Gendreau and others, the Department of Corrections embarked on a new experiment called Integrated Offender Management (IOM). Based on a psychotherapeutic model, IOM involves a complicated and expensive process of identifying an inmate’s ‘criminogenic needs’, creating programs to address those ‘needs’, and applying the programs in the hope of preventing further offending. When initially conceived it was hoped that IOM would produce at least a 25 percent improvement in overall correctional efficiency. Eleven years on, with five-year reconviction rates remaining in the region of 86 percent, it appears that IOM has failed. This paper examines the objectives, strategy, and actual implementation of IOM in New Zealand, and suggests why the project inevitably foundered.

http://www.allacademic.com/met...

But you see, Mr Owen ...

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William Sckecck Wrote
Kevin, my dear, myopic, antideluvian, nebulous, obscure, unintelligible, bleary, dim and inscrutable pixie, you may have noticed that I answer your questions, no matter how badly spelled, baffling, off-topic or dumbfucktarded they may be."

I'm afraid that in this context I agree with every single one of his adjectives, since he has shown them by argumentation to be justified. Again I say, present arguments, not a second-hand sales pitch for something you always knew would test my patience. I think you've been abusing the generosity I've extended you.

Mr. Scherk, whom I like even less,

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Lindsay wrote
"Mr. Scherk, with whom I normally agree about little and whom I like even less,"

At least we agree on something.

William Sckecck Wrote
Kevin, my dear, myopic, antideluvian, nebulous, obscure, unintelligible, bleary, dim and inscrutable pixie, you may have noticed that I answer your questions, no matter how badly spelled, baffling, off-topic or dumbfucktarded they may be."

Mr. Owen ...

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I don't normally visit your threads but, noting that they've been quite active, I've just done some cursory catching up with them. The only thing that would bring me back is the literary skill demonstrated by Mr. Scherk, with whom I normally agree about little and whom I like even less, in demolishing your nonsense.

But I'm wondering about the case for allowing you here at all. I would remind you about the "good faith" requirement for posting. I don't mind you putting your case, such as it is, but I object to someone who peddles snake oil for a living using SOLO as a sales platform. Not that I think anyone here would be silly enough to fall for it, but it's the principle of the thing. I'd ask you to submit arguments, not second-hand sales pitches. And do try to introduce those arguments to the English language before presenting them.

3193 Reads Get Some Help Mate

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Gregster Wrote
Fucking hell. You must have been stupid before the treatment. You can't remember posting the Chris Wolf link every second day! Cock.

ELECTRIC SHOCK TREATMENT
PAIN AND FRAUD IN THE
NAME OF THERAPY
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"Electric shock should not be
available as a choice just as
thalidomide is not available
to pregnant woman. After
fifty years of practicing
this hoax, psychiatrists are
not likely to suddenly agree
that it is harmful. As soon
as they do, they know there
would be a rush of criminal
and civil suits from
which they would never recover.
Governments should outlaw it."

Dr. Michael Chavin

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on
Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

Gee Kev

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The entertainment only heightens with your pathetic web presence;

"Scientology has improved my life beyond belief. It has given me skills in all areas of life and made it a game again instead of a battle." (And what a competent battler you are.)

"Scientology has improved my energy level, communication, happiness, learning ability, memory and many other areas of life."

Fucking hell. You must have been stupid before the treatment. You can't remember posting the Chris Wolf link every second day! Cock.

And what a sorry bunch of lost souls this lot must be.

Get Some Help Mate???

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William Sckecck Wrote
Kevin, my dear, myopic, antideluvian, nebulous, obscure, unintelligible, bleary, dim and inscrutable pixie, you may have noticed that I answer your questions, no matter how badly spelled, baffling, off-topic or dumbfucktarded they may be."

ELECTRIC SHOCK TREATMENT
PAIN AND FRAUD IN THE
NAME OF THERAPY
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"Electric shock should not be
available as a choice just as
thalidomide is not available
to pregnant woman. After
fifty years of practicing
this hoax, psychiatrists are
not likely to suddenly agree
that it is harmful. As soon
as they do, they know there
would be a rush of criminal
and civil suits from
which they would never recover.
Governments should outlaw it."

Dr. Michael Chavin

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on
Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

Pigmy and Sckeek versus Dumbf**k

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Kevin, my dear, myopic, antideluvian, nebulous, obscure, unintelligible, bleary, dim and inscrutable pixie, you may have noticed that I answer your questions, no matter how badly spelled, baffling, off-topic or dumbfucktarded they may be.

You, on the other hand, answer nothing. Today marks the 12th time you have posted your mispelled paste-job about Scientology Bashes [sic]. Your posting about 'bashes' [sic] tells me several things . . . you have no original thoughts; you are incapable of responding cogently to criticism; you don't understand the difference between 'bashes'[sic]/BASHERS and critical thinking.

It is an ugly world in which you collect confidential personal information from creepy galvanometer sessions -- and pass them along to your overlords. Since you cannot deny that this is exactly what you do with your 'therapy' records, you respond with zilch.

A man who believed in what he was doing (not a disconvovulate like you) would be open and straightforward in answering concerns and queries. A dumbfuck, afraid of the thugs in his own Church, would clam up.

Do you understand that you have blown any possible chance of influencing a single person on this site? Do you understand that the vast majority of people here consider you a charlatan, and the representative of a dangerous money-cult?

Do you understand any of what people write to and about you?

One other thing, pixie. Are you familiar with a webpage titled "Scientology - My Favorite L. Ron Hubbard Quote - Kevin Owen a Scientologist - find out what I have gained from Scientology..."?

Well, if this is indeed your own feeble attempt to establish a web presence, I will remind you that your favourite ElRon quote is Try to treat others as you would want them to treat you.

Here's a suggestion. Why don't you contact one of the 63 other Scientologists in New Zealand and see if you can't grub up some business. There is even a Michelle and an Eve Owen, both sounding almost as much of a dumbfuck as you.

You could go on picnics, pop natural tranquilizers together, and audit each other up the yin-yang. They might take a picture of you in which you look less like a wall-eyed Lon Chaney Senior. Making friends with people just as stupid as you would be fun. It would spare you the continuing critical attention of wogs like me and Pigmy. You might even be able to pay the rent on your quackery shack in Rotorua and . . . who knows, even get laid once in a while.

WSS

ElRon victim of himself!

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Good work Scherk.

"L Ron Hubbard himself was proof that Scientology didn't work..

Though if his life was dramatised it would undoubtedly serve as a monument to folly albeit demon-infested.

3137 reads Good to see the Scientology Bashers alive and well

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Where would objectivists be without Pigmy and sckeek protecting them from the evil cult???

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short, sweet and stupid.

The true story Of Scientology
The True Story Of Scientology
By L.Ron.Hubbard

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

What's really wrong with Scientology

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Impish charlatan and all-round dumbfuck Kevin Owen sets new land-speed records for evasive maneuvers with his obsessive reposting of fragments of Chris Wolf's whingeing about Objectivists.

Here's a redacted version of the relevant fragment, updated to reflect the reality of Kevin's money-grubbing cult:

Why do so many Scientologists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by the demented founder of the, cough, relidgion?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Scientologists, is strongly supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Scientology. Such behavior is personally supported and advocated by El Ron Hubbard, David Miscavige, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of an application of the fundamental principles of Scientology.

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Scientology, or the Scientologist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Scientology and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Scientology, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

_________________________________

-- for evidence of the Scientology attacks, just Google "fair game scientology" or read the full text of the interview with L Ron's son, L Ron Hubbard Junior.

Penthouse: Your father was selling information to the Soviets?

Hubbard: Yes. That's where my father got the money to buy St. Hill Manor in East Grinstead, Sussex, which is the English headquarters of Scientology today.

Penthouse: What information did your father have to sell the Soviet government?

Hubbard: He didn't do any spying himself. What he normally did was allow these strange little people to go into the offices and into his home at odd hours of the night. He told me that he was allowing the KGB to go through our files, and that he was charging £40,000 for it. This was the money he used for the purchase of St. Hill Manor.

Penthouse: Do you know any specific information that the KGB got from your father that might have been harmful to security?

Hubbard: The plans for an infrared heat-seeking missile in the early fifties. They obtained the information by extensive auditing of the guy who was one of the head engineers. There were great infiltrations clear to this day. There has always been an inordinate interest on the part of Scientology in military and government personnel. There's no way for me to prove it sitting here, but I believe that the KGB trained East German agents who came via Denmark to London to the United States who were, supposedly, Scientologists. They made very good Scientologists. They were very well trained.

Penthouse: Did your father do this just for money?

Hubbard: Yes. The more he made, the more he wanted. He became greedy. He was really just interested in the use of money and power, wherever it was or whosoever's it was. Morality and politics made no difference to him at all.

Penthouse: Did the Labor Party official get any of his young men via Scientology?

Hubbard: Yes. The British were ripe for Scientology. The British school system fosters lesbianism and homosexuality, because from the time you're born until you're in your twenties, all you see is the same sex. The schools are so segretated. And you'll notice in Scientology the focus on sex. Sex, sex, sex. The first thing we wanted to know about someone we were auditing was his sexual deviations. You know, in actual fact, very few people exclusively practice missionary-style sex. So all you've got to do is find a person's kinks, whatever they might be. Their dreams and their fantasies. And if you find that central core, their sexual drives and desires and fantasies, then you can fit a ring through their noses and take them anywnere. You promise to fufill their fantasies or you threaten to expose them , very simple. And People do have outrageous sexual fantasies. Nothing wrong with that , I'm the last guy on earth who should make a value judgment about somebody's sexual practices. But once you find their sexual core, you've got them. And you find this by brainwashing, through auditing, through interrogation, investigations, following them, photographing them, tapping their phones, whatever.

Penthouse: You did all that?

Hubbard: Sure.

Penthouse: Were there any other high level British government people in Scientology?

Hubbard: There was a member of Winston Churchill's medical staff. We had him by the balls.

Penthouse: Did he give you any information about Churchill?

Hubbard: Yes, certainly. You see, these people didn't realize where their information was going. They always thought that in Scientology auditing they had the priest-confessor's confidentiality , but it was never that way. People just assumed it, and still do. But everybody knew what was in everybody's files.

WSS

Deja vu all over again

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I just posted on Owen's other site, with my new insight that he's not trolling for individuals who will pay him for his faux treatments, he's trying to get on the governmental feed wagon. (OK, maybe it took me a looonnnnng time to get it.) But I come here, and it is even more clear!

Scientology and Dianetics discovered an untapped source of interest--personal growth. The response was huge! The whole self-help industry followed Hubbard. The whole bloody thing was an accident, but Hubbard recognized public interest for the potential profit it represented. Since he didn't have the "goods" in the form of useful ideas about psychodynamics, personality, psychopathology, etc., he wrote lengthy books in a disorganized way that borrowed from general knowledge, and introduced jargon to confuse the reader, and unflinchingly hyped himself to the maximum.

Then, the "Church" of Scientology had to keep doing things, publish something, have meetings, etc. So underlings took off to create that, and all kinds of weird stuff happened, and continues to do so. (It isn't easy to keep propping up a fraud.) Paranoia ensued. Now, though Hubbard has died, the corpus of his scam will take a while to disintegrate. Meanwhile, smaller scammers try to wring a bit more out of the hoax, and our own KevinOwen is one of them. (Geez, I like it when those lightbulbs go on.)

If you wish to undertake to prove the value of your ideas, Kevin, get on with it. Otherwise, you are not posting in good faith, and doing so is a requirement of posting here.

--Mindy

 

3100 reads What are you???

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Wiiliam Sckeek Wrote
"As with your earlier mistake about Leonid (the Cardiologist, not Psychiatrist), you have again presumed too much, Kevin. I am not an Objectivist, let alone a staunch one."

It's not the first time I was wrong and it want be the last. Cheers

Who do you think should pay

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It would be up to those that want the program, to look at it and then decide if it would do the job they wanted it to. I have invited the Minister of Corrections to view the Ensenada Criminon Program. I could set it up here, at vast expense to myself but its cheaper to get someone to pop over to an already established program to see it in action.
If they don't want it, well its more of the same.

We can deliver rehabilitation at a fraction of the cost and with a better result than corrections and all it psychologists can.

Criminon Indonesia
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...
CRIMINON INDONESIA• Recidivism Rate of Criminon Graduates is 1.25%. Of 300 Criminon graduates released, only 4 returned to prison. The success rate is 98.5%.
Indonesia has 365 prisons and after reviewing the success of the Criminon program in 6 of these, the Ministry of Justice has requested Criminon Indonesia’s cooperation in devising a roll out plan that will eventually bring the program to all of its prisons.

This is an honest question

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Landon Wrote
"This is an honest question, and I in no way brought up psychology this time. What's your answer?"

Landon Wrote
"Any reason you don't believe people are sentient individual beings capable of making their own decisions who should be held responsible for the consequences of their own decisions?"

I don't mind you bringing up psychology.
Sounds good to me. Not everyone is in a condition where they are mentally able to. Some are a liability to society and need rehabilitation so they are not a liability.

Aims of Scientology
http://www.whatisscientology.o...
A civilization without insanity, without criminals and without war, where the able can prosper and honest beings can have rights, and where man is free to rise to greater heights, are the aims of Scientology.

Who do you think should pay

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Who do you think should pay for the rehabilitation program you are promoting?

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pay for your rehabilitation?

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"Kevin -Who do you think should pay for your rehabilitation?"

I already paid for mine. I suppose you think the state will pay for yours?

Staunch Objectivist, Not . . .

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As with your earlier mistake about Leonid (the Cardiologist, not Psychiatrist), you have again presumed too much, Kevin. I am not an Objectivist, let alone a staunch one.

Is there some reason you have now posted the exact same excerpt from Chris Wolf five times?

Can you please let us know how ElRon and you can 'handle' the mengrams that give rise to psychosomatic disorders as you claim? You know, like cancer, psoriasis and teething pain?

Your church is the second greatest publisher of religious whatsis besides the Jehovah's Witnesses. Surely there is a pamphlet or illustrated brochure that spells out just a little bit of the process of handling bad memgrams.

It must give you a certain fraudulent thrill to imagine your work with the galvanometer can help de-repressed those memgrams.

Here's some fun from ElRon's son . . . from the famous Penthouse Interview. Don't read it, Kevin, you are not allowed to look.

Penthouse: And what is the Church of Scientology?

Hubbard: It's one of my father's many organizations. It was formed in 1953, basically to avoid the harassment of my father by the medical profession and the IRS. The idea of Scientology didn't really exist before that point as a religion, but my father hit upon turning it into a church after he started feeling pressured.

Penthouse: Didn't your father have any interest in helping people?

Hubbard: No.

Penthouse: Never?

Hubbard: My father started out as a broke science-fiction writer. He was always broke in the late 1940s. He told me and a lot of other people that the way to make a million was to start a religion. Then he wrote the book Dianetics: The Modern Science of Mental Health while he was in Bayhead, New Jersey. When we later visited Bayhead, in about 1953, we were walking around and reminiscing , he told me that he had written the book in one month.

Penthouse: There was no church when he wrote the book?

Hubbard: Oh, no, no. You see, his goal was basically to write the book, take the money and run. But in 1950, this was the first major book of do-it-yourself psychotherapy, and it became a runaway best-seller. He kept getting, literally, mail trucks full of mail. And so he and some other people, including J. W. Campbell, the editor of Astounding Science Fiction , started the Dianetics Research Foundation in Elizabeth, New Jersey. And the post office kept backing up and just dumping mail sacks into the building. The foundation had a staff that just ran through the envelopes and threw away anything that didn't have any money in it.

[complete interview in PDF here]

WSS

Kevin

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Any reason you don't believe people are sentient individual beings capable of making their own decisions who should be held responsible for the consequences of their own decisions?

This is an honest question, and I in no way brought up psychology this time. What's your answer?

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

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Super Hero Babylon

Kevin - Who do you think

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Kevin -
Who do you think should pay for your rehabilitation?

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Sheriff Joe [tent city ] and Sensible Sentencing Trust.

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Did anyone see the good work the Sensible Sentencing
Trust was doing on the show "Life In New Zealand" last night on TV?

The part about Sheriff Joe and Tent city, bought up some interesting points.

What I got out of it was, locking up crims
did get them off the streets and was cheaper
than building new prisons.

The recidivism rate was the same as we have in New Zealand,
suggesting that Sheriff Joe [tent City] and
Sensible Sentencing Trust aren't aware of or offering any
workable rehabilitation, only more punishment and longer sentences and tent cities.

The end result of the above is to lock more crims up and have tent cities, throughout New Zealand, none of them delivering any workable rehabilitation. We could get the psyches in there and dope them all up, but that would be expensive and I wouldn't call that rehabilitation.

If one compares the above ideas and the existing system, both with a 70% plus re-offending rate, with the rehab program on the website below, it does give a number of options one could choose from.

Penal Rehab
http://www.penalrehab.org
The Second Chance Program is a unique non-religious and
non-medical prison-based crime and drug rehabilitation model.

CRIMINON INDONESIA• Recidivism Rate of Criminon Graduates is 1.25%. Of 300 Criminon graduates released, only 4 returned to prison. The success rate is 98.5%.
Indonesia has 365 prisons and after reviewing the success of the Criminon program in 6 of these, the Ministry of Justice has requested Criminon Indonesia’s cooperation in devising a roll out plan that will eventually bring the program to all of its prisons.
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...

3036 Reads William Sckeck a staunch objectivist

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What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?

What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?
http://www.jeffcomp.com/faq/wr...

by Chris Wolf

Why do so many Objectivists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by Objectivism?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Objectivists, is not supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Objectivism. However such behavior is personally supported and advocated by Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of misapplication of the fundamental principles of Objectivism. (If you think it's impossible for the originator of a philosophy to misapply it; think again.)

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Objectivism, or the Objectivist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Objectivism and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Objectivism, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

Hundreds of Body Pixies trapped in Kevin`s Thetan Mengrams

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Kevin, you seem to have a skip in your record. How many times did you mean to post the drug intoxication story? Will five times be enough, or not?

In any case, here is some material for your readers. The paragraphs below tell a little bit about the practice of auditing, and what your clients can expect from their interaction with your Church, should they be foolish enough to come to you to have their arthritis, Parkinson's, cancer, or depression handled.

Other readers who have gagged through such notes on the real church can click the image below and view some of the hilarious South Park takes on Kevin's wacko cult.

The Scientology auditor also carefully records any intimate revelations, including sexual or criminal activities or marital or family troubles. According to the church's own documents and defectors' affidavits, such records are filed for blackmail purposes against any member (or member's family) who becomes a "potential trouble source" by threatening to defect, go to the authorities, or generate hostile publicity.

Of course, new prospects are never asked to swallow the whole ridiculous story at first gulp; they get it in timed-release capsules. The process transforms them into what one who went through it calls a "robot-like" state.

Typical was the experience of 17-year-old Julie Christofferson, a high-school honors graduate who was invited by an acquaintance -- actually a shill -- to take a "communications course." (The church advertises that these "field-staff members" get ten-percent commissions on all money their recruits pay.) Unknowingly, Julie hooked herself onto a mind-scrambling conveyor belt of hypnotic "training routines" developed by Hubbard. The recruit, cynically referred to as "raw meat," sits knee to knee with a "coach" for hours, her eyes closed. Next she sits, eyes open, for hours. Then the coach tries to find "emotional buttons." Hours of commands follow: "Lift that chair." "Move that chair." "Sit in that chair."

As Margaret Thaler Singer, a University of California psychologist who interviewed Julie and over 400 former members of cults, observes, "These routines can split the personality into a severe, dissociated state, and the recruits are hooked before they realize what is happening."

Julie found that the next step, auditing, continued to erase the boundary between reality and fantasy. In this phase, Julie exhausted all $3000 of her college savings. Then she was told she could take college-level courses while going "on staff" and working full time to recruit and process new raw meat. She ended up working 60 to 80 hours a week, at a maximum salary of $7.50 [per week]. She had now reached the "robot-like" state.

Julie felt superior, one of the chosen elite of this universe. She was one of the faithful who are promised they will "go with Ron to the next planet." Thus, they are conditioned to the "us against them" outlook that characterizes so much religious and political fanaticism.

Julie Christofferson was among the lucky, however. After nine months, her parents removed her from the cult and snapped her out of her zombie-like trance. Last August, a Portland, Ore., jury found the church's conduct so fraudulent and outrageous that it awarded her $2,067,000.20 in damages.
[from noted communist/basher publication, Reader's Digest, via the Skeptic Tank]

WSS

Thousands of war veterans locked in British prisons

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The article below gives an example of the successful treatments these war veterans and others receive.???? No wonder they end up in prison.

Injured troops increasingly turning to prescription medication
http://www.rutlandherald.com:8......

August 27, 2008

By DAVID OLINGER and ERIN EMERY The Denver Post

In the last six months of his life, Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz tried 23 different prescription medications to relieve the pain of war.

He came home from his second tour of Iraq suffering from combat stress, a traumatic brain injury and relentless back pain.

Army doctors prescribed a treatment that included 15 different painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs, plus antidepressants, muscle relaxants and a blood-pressure medicine. The last two medications — morphine plus methadone — were prescribed on a Friday afternoon.

"He was in bad pain," said his wife, Renea. "When they put him on the methadone, we both freaked because all we knew was that it was for heroin addicts. We didn't know anything else. His neurologist said, 'Oh, no, this is used for long-term pain, and he should do fine.'"

That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up. The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication.

Thousands of war veterans locked in British prisons

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One in 11 prisoners serving time in UK jails is a former member of the armed forces, a new report reveals.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...
More than 8,000 veterans are currently behind bars, many of whom have served their country in Iraq or Afghanistan, researchers found.
A high proportion of the convicts interviewed in the study had suffered some form of post-traumatic stress disorder after leaving the forces. Often their convictions were for drug- or alcohol-related violence.
Ex-services charities said the findings highlighted the difficulty which many former soldiers face in making the transition to civilian life.
The National Association of Probation Officers (NAPO), which carried out the research, called on the Government to do more to tackle mental health problems suffered by people who have fought in war zones.
It said that around 24,000 veterans are either in jail, on parole or serving community punishment orders after having been convicted of crimes. They make up around nine per cent of the prison population.
Opposition MPs and charities called the findings another example of ministers breaking the 'military covenant' – the guarantee that soldiers receive fair treatment in return for putting their lives on the line.
They claimed that if the Ministry of Defence properly screened those discharged from the military for mental illnesses, problems could be identified earlier.
NAPO's conclusions are based on the findings of three separate studies: MoD research at HMP Dartmoor, a survey at eight jails by the Veterans in Prison support groups last year, and a series of Home Office research projects between 2001 and 2004.
In addition, probation officers provided case histories of 74 individuals so that researchers could assess the factors that drove ex-services personnel to commit crimes.
The report concludes: "Most of the soldiers who had served in either the Gulf or Afghanistan were suffering from post traumatic stress. Little support or counselling was available on discharge from the forces.
"Virtually all became involved in heavy drinking or drug taking and in consequence involvement in violence offences, sometimes domestically related, happened routinely."
Harry Fletcher, assistant general secretary of NAPO, called the findings a "real concern". He said: "The vast majority of the offending is drug or alcohol related violence. There is no systematic availability of stress related counselling.
"Had support services been available at the point of discharge and when personnel first came in touch with the criminal justice system, custody could have been avoided probably in the majority of cases."
The Royal British Legion said that while most people in the armed forces manage the transition into civilian life easily, "a select few get into a vortex that drags them downwards".
A spokesman said: "We believe more effort should be made to tackle the acceptance of heavy drinking that still occurs among sections of the Armed Forces, to identify causes for alcohol misuse, to help vulnerable personnel reduce their alcohol intake, and to investigate the long-term psychological health effects of alcohol over-use among service personnel."
A spokesman for SSAFA, the services charity, said: "The majority of people that leave the armed forces leave having had a life-changing experience.
"Some do find it difficult to adjust and feel isolated and lonely. In some cases people will descend into alcohol or substance abuse, lose their job and spiral into homelessness and eventually end up in jail. Military operations in recent years have placed the armed forces under increased pressures."
Liam Fox, the shadow defence secretary, said the Conservatives had concerns about the level of mental health care available for services personnel.
An MoD spokesman said: "Robust systems are in place to treat and prevent PTSD and other stress disorders. Counselling is available to service personnel at all times, and all troops receive pre- and post-deployment briefings to help recognise the signs of stress disorders."
The large number of ex-services personnel in prison runs counter to the argument that the reintroduction of national service could make Britain's youth more law-abiding.
Last week the MoD announced that eighteen sailors face being thrown out of the Royal Navy after they tested positive for cocaine on a warship which has been used to combat drug smuggling.
Cases of ex-services personnel being jailed include that of an former soldier from the West Country who was imprisoned for three years for threatening a drug dealer with a firearm.
He suffered from PTSD after serving in Northern Ireland and the 2003 Gulf War, and told probation officers he felt the authorities "had washed their hands of him".
A former soldier from West Yorkshire, who served in Bosnia, Kosovo, Afghanistan and Iraq, and obtained the rank of acting-sergeant, was sentenced for a drug offence. He told probation officers he missed the camaraderie of the army, started using and selling drugs, then found it difficult to hold down a day job. He was diagnosed with PTSD and became depressed, experiencing financial problems.
Lee Holt, 34, a former Army private, left the armed forces after a tour in Bosnia. He was jailed for a year for assault after he got into a fight with friends after drinking in a pub. He suffers from PTSD and paranoia, and still has panic attacks and nightmares.
"There was a real drinking culture in the army," he said. "That's when I started to drink heavily. Everybody did it – it was the norm.
"It took me a long time to realise I was suffering from PTSD and now I look back at the way that I used to be violent in the past and I really regret it.
"I have a wife and kid now, and a steady job, so it's difficult to understand just why I was doing it."

What about workable Drug Rehab

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Penal Rehab
http://www.penalrehab.org

Drugs
*
Libertarianz Announces New Weapons In War Against P*

The Libertarianz Party agrees that P (methamphetamine) is a bad drug that nobody should be taking.

"The P problem has caused me many a sleepless night," says Libertarianz Drugs Spokesman, Dr. Richard Goode. "P is widely known to lead to addiction, psychosis, and violent crime. It ravages communities, exacerbates the gang problem and destroys the aspirations of our young people."

"That's why we suggest several major new strategies in the war against P, namely, cheap and legal marijuana, ecstasy and party pills. Cheap, legal and wide availability of these and other safe, effective designer drugs will go a very long way towards steering people away from costly, dangerous P and onto gentler, kinder alternatives."

"Sadly, Jim Anderton and his Prohibitionist cronies in Labour and National will never agree to anything sensible like this strategy, even though their stated drug policy is 'Harm Minimisation'."

"Many people prefer drugs other than alcohol. Where those other drugs are safer than alcohol, it is inconsistent with the principle of Harm Minimisation to subject consumers and producers to criminal sanctions."

"In line with our Transitional Drug
Policy,
Libertarianz would make all drugs safer than alcohol legal immediately."

Vote Libertarianz - Legalise by Lunchtime!

*ENDS*

For more information contact:

Dr. Richard Goode
Libertarianz Drugs Spokesman
Phone: 021 340 057
Email: richard.goode@libertarianz.org.nz

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2974 reads The Magic Pills

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Narconon Drug Rehab of Georgia
http://www.drugsno.com/
warns that a dependency on prescription and non-prescription pills can lead to drug addiction.

"Drug addiction unfortunately affects all of us, either directly or indirectly," comments Mary Rieser, Executive Director for Narconon Drug Rehab in Georgia. "The modern tendency to look for quick fixes, shortcuts, and cures has lead many to drug addiction, and it's time we started educating our teens that quick fixes with pills is not the answer.

"For example, how are you feeling today? Not so well? Just plop down in front of the television tonight and you’ll soon be given the opportunity to diagnose yourself. Double check with your doctor if you want to make sure you’re right. Chances are your doctor is also familiar with the pharmaceutical commercials.

"Do restless legs keep you awake? This can be fixed with a pill. If the side effects of the pill cause you to gamble away all your money, you don’t need to feel depressed for long. There are pills to fix this too, and a big brown delivery van will deliver them for next to nothing.

"Before you go to bed decide if you want to sleep or have sex. There is a different pill for each. (The commercials don’t tell us what happens if you take both at once.) If you opt for the sex pill and notice at 2 am difficulty with your anatomy (if it lasts for more than four hours) the ad says to call your doctor. You might have to wait for a more convenient time for him to meet you at the office to fix the problem.

"Too fat? Eyes watering or are they too dry? Are you afraid you might wet your pants or worse, do you have to wear long sleeves in summer? Don’t fret. It can all be fixed. Take a pill and enjoy life in living color.

"As our population is lulled into the safety and normalcy of fixing everything with medication is it any wonder that prescription drug abuse and subsequent drug addiction are on the rise at an alarming rate?

"Young people are more drug addicted now to what they find in the medicine cabinet than what they find on the street, and for the first time, in some parts of the country, more people are dying from overdoses of pharmaceuticals than from street drugs. Prescription drug abuse is the second most commonly abused substance now (excepting alcohol). This didn’t use to be the case.

"People are getting drug addicted and we are told that some brains are more apt to have a drug problem than others. These brains apparently short wire and make the person crave drugs. How did these “brains” even learn about drugs- whether it be street or pharmaceutical? Should we be educating our kids about drugs on TV?

"When I was a child, all my friends had Barbie dolls. We saw her on TV and had to have one – some girls had a dozen. We were obsessed. Fortunately, most of us outgrew our “Barbie brain” and didn’t need rehab. No one had to come up with a vaccine to make us not want Barbie. Barbie apparently is non-addictive long term. But today, in contrast, television ads are leading children to major drug addiction, not Barbie dolls.

"Most people understand that there are times when the proper medication is life saving and necessary. Some ailments such as diabetes require long-term maintenance, but not everything can be treated with a pill.

"Let’s get wise. There is no pill to bring the dead back to life or to cure young people who have become addicted."

Code Of Conduct

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The Way to Happiness®:
Table of Contents

A Common Sense Guide to Better Living
By L. Ron Hubbard

This is a way toward a much safer and happier life for you and others.

DOWNLOAD YOUR COPY FOR FREE or Order your Free Package
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The book is 76 pages long including illustrations with a beautiful 4 color glossy cover and is available in 93 languages.

Happiness
It is in your power to point the way to a less dangerous and happier life.

Take Care of Yourself
1-1. Get care when you are ill.
1-2. Keep your body clean.
1-3. Preserve your teeth.
1-4. Eat properly.
1-5. Get rest.

Be Temperate
2-1. Do not take harmful drugs.
2-2. Do not take alcohol to excess.
Observing the points above, one becomes more physically able to enjoy life.

Don't Be Promiscuous
3-1. Be faithful to your sexual partner.
Sex is a big step on the way to happiness and joy. There is nothing wrong with it if it is followed with faithfulness and decency.

Love and Help Children
The way to happiness has on its route the loving and the helping of children from babyhood to the brink of adult life.

Honor and Help Your Parents
The way to happiness includes being on good terms with one's parents or those who brought one up.

Set a Good Example
The way to happiness requires that one set a good example for others.

Seek to Live with the Truth
7-1. Do not tell harmful lies.
7-2. Do not bear false witness.
The way to happiness lies along the road to truth.

Do Not Murder
The way to happiness does not include murdering your friends, your family, or yourself being murdered.

Don't Do Anything Illegal
The way to happiness does not include the fear of being found out.

Support a Government Designed and Run For All the People
The way to happiness is hard to travel when shadowed with the oppression of tyranny. A benign government, designed and run for all the people, has been known to smooth the way: when such occurs, it deserves support.
Unscrupulous and evil men and groups can usurp the power of government and use it to their own ends.Government organized and conducted solely for self-interested individuals and groups gives the society a short life span

Do Not Harm a Person of Good Will
The way to happiness® is far more easily followed when one supports people of good will.

Safeguard and Improve Your Environment
12-1. Be of good appearance.
12-2. Take care of your own area.
12-3. Help take care of the planet.
If others do not help safeguard and improve the environment, the way to happiness could have no roadbed to travel on at all.

Do Not Steal
The road to happiness cannot be traveled with stolen goods.

Be Worthy of Trust
14-1. Keep your word once given.
The way to happiness is much, much easier to travel with people one can trust.

Fulfill Your Obligations
The way to happiness is very hard to travel when one is burdened with the weight of obligations which one is owed or which he has not discharged.

Be Industrious
The way to happiness® is a high road when it includes industriousness that leads to tangible production.

Be Competent
17-1. Look.
17-2. Learn.
17-3. Practice.
The way to happiness® is best traveled with competent companions.

Respect the Religious Beliefs of Others
The way to happiness® can become contentious when one fails to respect the religious beliefs of others.

Try Not to Do Things to Others That You Would Not Like Them to Do to You
The way to happiness® is closed to those who do not restrain themselves from committing harmful acts.

Try to Treat Others as You Would Want Them to Treat You
Virtues: justness, loyalty, good sportsmanship, fairness, honesty, kindness, consideration, compassion, self-control, tolerance, forgiveness, benevolence, belief, respect, politeness, dignity, admiration, friendliness, love, integrity
The way to happiness® is made much brighter by applying the precept: "Try to treat others as you would want them to treat you.

Flourish and Prosper
And that is my wish for you: flourish and prosper!

Epilogue
The way to happiness® is a high-speed road to those who know where the edges are.
The Way to Happiness® Foundation

Oh My!

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Have I interfered with an irrelevant tangent? Like bringing up PARC in a discussion of free will or something?

I wasn't quoting you, of course -- I was just naming your reality, but, of course, of course, not your language.

Obviously. Smiling

Who cries "divisive and dogmatic cult" -

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Who wields the trick of crying this plangeant phrase, James? Kevin? Surely not, he is too stupid. He'd probably spell dogmatic as dogamtic, and divisive as devisive. Plus, he is here for a single purpose: to promote Scientology.

Be aware, I don't consider Objectivism a cult. You have a strange way with the 'quoats,' I must say . . .

In any case, my only quasi-positive function here on SOLO (at least in the view of the Kommissar Klass) is to poke fun and poke hard at wee pixie Kevin. Why spoil it by equating us, dude?

WSS

Although...

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.. he wields the trick of crying "divisive and dogmatic cult" as artfully as you have ever done so, Mr. Scherk, and not as frequently.

Character, Honour, Integrity . . . of the pixies

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Confused and deluded, our little pixie Kevin Owen continues to post up his tired cult propaganda. When challenged, he cuts and pastes material from a cranky opponent of Objectivism.

This correspondent wonders two things. If Kevin doesn't like Objectivism, and doesn't like criticism, is it just the free billboard that attracts him here? In addition, in regard to the taste for criticism, wouldn't it be find out the full might of Kevin's cult that is routinely unleashed on its most dangerous critics?

Here's another wee extract from the excellent Xenu.net site, off a page on the Fair Game concept. Here we can see that Kevin himself is coming dangerously close to crossing internal lines of control within his cult (see number 13, below).

Incidentally, Kevin, does anyone at the cult Headquarters know about your postings here at the SOLO billboard?

++++++++++++++++

Suppressive Acts

At least as worrying as Scientology's disdain for the concept of universal civil rights is the wide scope of "offences" which the organization regards as "Suppressive Acts":

1. Public disavowal of Scientology or Scientologists in good standing with Scientology organizations;

2. Public statements against Scientology or Scientologists but not to Committees of Evidence duly convened;

3. Proposing, advising or voting for legislation or ordinances, rules or laws directed toward the suppression of Scientology;

4. Pronouncing Scientologists guilty of the practice of standard Scientology;

5. Testifying hostilely before state or public inquiries into Scientology to suppress it;

6. Reporting or threatening to report Scientology or Scientologists to civil authorities in an effort to suppress Scientology or Scientologists from practicing or receiving standard Scientology;

7. Bringing civil suit against any Scientology organization or Scientologist including the nonpayment of bills or failure to refund without first calling the matter to the attention of the Chairman at Saint Hill and receiving a reply;

8. Demanding the return of any or all fees paid for standard training or processing actually received or received in part and still available but undelivered only because of departure of the person demanding (the fees must be refunded but this policy letter applies);

9. Writing anti-Scientology letters to the press or giving anti-Scientology or anti-Scientologist evidence to the press;

10. Testifying as a hostile witness against Scientology in public;

11. Continued membership in a divergent group;

12. Continued adherence to a person or group pronounced a Suppressive Person or Group by HCO;

13. Failure to handle a person demonstrably guilty of Suppressive Acts;

14. Being at the hire of anti-Scientology groups or persons;

15. Organizing a splinter group to use Scientology data or any part of it to distract people from standard Scientology;

16. Organizing splinter groups to diverge from Scientology practices, still calling it Scientology or calling it something else;

17. Calling meetings of staffs or field auditors or the public to deliver Scientology into the hands of unauthorized persons or (persons) who will suppress it or alter it or who have no reputation for following standard lines and procedures;

18. Infiltrating a Scientology group or organization or staff to stir up discontent or protest at the instigation of hostile forces;

19. First degree murder, arson, disintegration of persons or belongings not guilty of suppressive acts;

20. Mutiny;

21. Seeking to splinter off an area of Scientology and deny it properly constituted authority for personal profit, personal power or "to save the organization from the higher officers of Scientology";

22. Engaging in malicious rumor-mongering to destroy the authority or repute of higher officers or the leading names of Scientology or to "safeguard" a position;

23. Delivering up the person of a Scientologist without defense or protest to the demands of civil or criminal law;

24. Falsifying records that then imperil the liberty or safety of a Scientologist;

25. Knowingly giving false testimony to imperil a Scientologist;

26. Receiving money, favors or encouragement to suppress Scientology or Scientologists;

27. Sexual or sexually perverted conduct contrary to the well-being or good state of mind of a Scientologist in good standing or under the charge of Scientology such as a student, a preclear, a ward or a patient;

28. Blackmail of Scientologists or Scientology organizations threatened or accomplished - in which case the crime being used for blackmail purposes becomes fully outside the reach of Ethics and is absolved by the fact of blackmail unless repeated.

[Hubbard, Introduction to Scientology Ethics (1967)]

WSS

Has Objectivism got a code of coduct???

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What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?
http://www.jeffcomp.com/faq/wr...

by Chris Wolf

Why do so many Objectivists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by Objectivism?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Objectivists, is not supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Objectivism. However such behavior is personally supported and advocated by Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of misapplication of the fundamental principles of Objectivism. (If you think it's impossible for the originator of a philosophy to misapply it; think again.)

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Objectivism, or the Objectivist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Objectivism and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Objectivism, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

Repeating advert for cult prison program

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Kevin, my little pixie. This is the second time you have posted your propaganda piece on Criminon Indonesia.

Is there anything else in your little bag of bogosity? If you are going to take advantage of the free billboard given you by SOLO to promote your cult, how about something original? Like, um, more of the crackpottery of your cult's founder.

No? Okay, I'll do the honours. Here is an excerpt from a page at Xenu.net on ElRon's paranoia and other mental problems -- a paranoia that remains (I will post the referenced David Miscavige paranoid rant in your other free billboard thread, and post a link to some demented Scientologist radio broadcasts when you are ready. Incidentally, are your wife and children all members of the cult, too?).

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"The reactions of individuals and groups to criticism varies from grateful acceptance, or amused tolerance, at one end of the scale to a sense of outrage and vindictive counter-attack on the other. Perhaps unfortunately (especially for its adherents) Scientology falls at the hyper-sensitive end of the scale. Judging from the documents, this would seem to have its origin in a personality trait of Mr. Hubbard, whose attitude to critics is one of extreme hostility. One can take the view that anyone whose attitude to criticism is such as Mr. Hubbard displays in his writings cannot be too surprised if the world treats him with suspicion rather than affection."

[Sir John Foster, Report of the Enquiry into the Practice and Effects of Scientology (1971), p. 127]

Sir John Foster's perceptive words remain as true today as when they were first written over 25 years ago. Scientology has made it clear on numerous occasions that (as officials have put it) "it is not a turn-the-other-cheek religion." L. Ron Hubbard's death in 1986 has not led to a more tolerant attitude towards criticism - quite the opposite, as critics and publishers continue to be sued, attacked and harassed by Scientology and its paid agents. The policies instigated by Hubbard have now been set in stone as part of the so-called unalterable "scriptures" of Scientology.

L. Ron Hubbard's paranoia

Years before Hubbard created either Dianetics or Scientology, anecdotal accounts suggest that he already was a very thin-skinned person. Those who knew him in his heyday as a pulp fiction writer in the 1930s noted his intemperate reaction to sceptics:

"One evening [in 1934], Frank Gruber [a friend of Hubbard and fellow pulp fiction writer], sat through a long account of his experiences in the Marine Corps, his exploration of the upper Amazon and his years as a white hunter in Africa. At the end of it he asked with obvious sarcasm: 'Ron, you're eighty-four years old aren't you?'

'What the hell are you talking about?' Ron snapped.

Gruber waved a notebook in which he had been jotting figures. 'Well,' he said, 'you were in the Marines seven years, you were a civil engineer for six years, you spent four years in Brazil, three in Africa, you barnstormed with your own flying circus for six years... I've just added up all the years you did this and that and it comes to eighty-four.'

Ron was furious that his escapades should be openly doubted. 'He blew his tack,' said Gruber. He would react in the same way at the [American Fiction] Guild lunches if someone raised an eyebrow when he was in full flow. Most of the other members expected their yarns to be taken with a pinch of salt, but not Ron. It was almost as if he believed his own stories."

[Russell Miller, Bare-Faced Messiah (1987), p.67; Frank Gruber, The Pulp Jungle (1967)]

In the late 1940s, Hubbard evidently suffered a period of acute mental distress; he wrote on 15 October 1947 to the Veterans Administration, requesting psychiatric treatment for "moroseness and suicidal inclinations." It is unclear whether he actually received any such treatment. His development of Dianetics in 1948-49 may have been an attempt to cure himself of his mental problems, but although it certainly made his name (and a lot of money) the strains probably worsened his state of mind. Hubbard faced many organisational problems, a hostile press and medical profession and political clashes within the Dianetics Foundation between those who favoured a scientific approach and those (such as himself) who veered more towards pseudoscience and mysticism. As if this was not enough, his four-year marriage with Sara Northrup Hubbard was on the verge of collapse.

In 1950, he took a lover - Barbara Klowdan, a 20-year-old psychology major. She soon recognised that he was, in her words, "a deeply disturbed man" who displayed all the symptoms of "a manic depressive with paranoid tendencies." She later recalled:

"He was highly paranoid and would be rushing along the street with me and I would say, "Why are you walking so fast?" He'd look over his shoulder and say, "Don't you know what it's like to be a target?"

At all times he thought the American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association and CIA had hit men after him... he thought everyone was after him. This was long before the IRS was after him. No one was after him at that time, but he certainly had delusions.

When I went to work for him he had hired somebody who had been in the police department. He gave everyone who worked for him a lie detector test asking if he had designs on his life."

[Barbara Klowdan, interview with Russell Miller, 28 July 1986]

This paranoia deepened in later years. By the mid-1960s, Hubbard was convinced that he faced a sinister international conspiracy (the "Tenyaka Memorial") masterminded by the psychiatric profession, who organized attacks on Scientology through the IRS, the FBI, the CIA, the KGB, the American Medical Association, the World Federation of Mental Health, the Bank of England, Interpol and others. His paranoia has since become a fundamental and deeply-rooted element of Scientology (see the 8 October 1993 speech of Hubbard's successor, David Miscavige, for a prime example). Hubbard's paranoia came through in much of his work, particularly visibly in the example of the tape "Ron's Journal '67", still a compulsory part of a Scientologist's training. In it he states:

"... I found after the southern African matter that it was vitally necessary that I isolate who it was on this planet that was attacking us. The attacks were all of the same pattern, they always followed the same newspaper routes, they always used the same type of parliamentary member and I thought that I had better look into this very thoroughly. The organisation ... employed several professional intelligence agents ... [who] looked into this matter for us and their results ... have told us all that we needed to know with regard to any enemy we have on this planet.

Our enemies are less than twelve men. They are members of the Bank of England and other higher financial circles. They own and control newspaper chains and they, oddly enough, spin [sic] all the mental health groups in the world that had sprung up.

Now these chaps are very interesting fellows, they have fantastically corrupt backgrounds, illegitimate children, government graft - a very unsavoury lot - and they apparently some time in the very distant past had determined upon a course of action. Being in control of most of the gold supplies on the planet, they entered on a programme of bringing every government to bankruptcy and under their thumb, so that no government would be able to act politically without their permission.

The rest of their apparent programme was to use mental health, which is to say psychiatric electric shock and pre-frontal lobotomy, to remove from their path any political dissenters, and they were the people behind the Siberia Bill, which almost passed the House of Representatives in the United States and did pass, if I remember rightly, the Senate, which gave the power to any governor of any state in the United States simply to pick up anyone on the street and send him to Alaska. We defeated this Siberia Bill and many other mental health, quote-unquote, Acts of this character but never really before knew from whom they were coming ...

... These fellows have gotten nearly every government in the world to owe them considerable quantities of money through various chicaneries and they control, of course, income tax, government finance - [Harold] Wilson, for instance, the current Premier of England, is totally involved with these fellows and talks about nothing else actually. They organise these mental health groups which sprung up simultaneously all over the world and anything that has mental health in it - in its name - or mental hygiene or other things of that character - such names as that - are part of the organisation which stems from these from these less than a dozen greedy men."

[Hubbard, "Ron's Journal '67"]

WSS

2805 reads Recidivism Rate of Criminon Graduates is 1.25%.

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CRIMINON INDONESIA•
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...

Recidivism Rate of Criminon Graduates is 1.25%. Of 300 Criminon graduates released, only 4 returned to prison. The success rate is 98.5%.
Indonesia has 365 prisons and after reviewing the success of the Criminon program in 6 of these, the Ministry of Justice has requested Criminon Indonesia’s cooperation in devising a roll out plan that will eventually bring the program to all of its prisons.

Hypocrisy from L. Ron

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"I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys." Hubbard

"..among other things, of a letter to his third wife, Mary Sue when Hubbard was in Las Palmas during 1967 at the inception of the Sea Org.

This letter is now in custody of the court. In it Hubbard tells his wife: "I'm drinking lots of rum and popping pinks and greys."

This of course was just before he starting developing his whacked out OT III stuff with Xenu, volcanoes and BTs.

[]..The stuff I've read convinces me that OT III was the *record* of his experiences with rum and pinks and grays."

http://www.cs.cmu.edu/~dst/OTI...

His coroner's report notes dozens of injections covered by bandaids.

"In a lecture in June 1950, Hubbard had admitted to
having been a phenobarbitol addict. He also spoke
knowledgeably about the effects of sodium amytal,
ACTH (a hormone), opium, marijuana and sodium
pentathol.

These statements were not contested by the Church of Scientology in their libel suit against Jon Atack."

Drug Addiction

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Drug Addiction
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...

In the absence of workable psychotherapy wide drug addiction is inevitable. When a person is depressed or in pain and where he finds no physical relief from treatment, he will eventually discover for himself that drugs, remove his symptoms. In almost all cases of, psychosomatic pain, malaise or discomfort the person has sought some cure for the upset. When he at last finds that only drugs give him relief he will surrender to them and become dependent upon them often to the point of addiction. Years before had there been any other way out most people would have taken it. But when they are told there is no cure that their pains are "Imaginary," life tends to become insupportable. They then can become chronic drug takers and are in danger of addiction.
The time required to make an addict varies, of course.The complaint itself may only be "sadness or weariness." The ability to confront life in any case, is reduced.
Any substance that brings relief or makes life less a burden physically or mentally will then be welcome. In an unsettled and insecure environment, psychosomatic illness is very widespread.
So before any government strikes too heavily at spreading drug use, it should recognize that it is a symptom of failed psychotherapy. The social scientist, the psychologist and psychiatrist and health ministers have failed to handle spreading psychosomatic illness.
It is too easy to blame it all on "social unrest" or the pace of modern society.
The hard, solid fact is that there has been no effective psychotherapy in broad practice. The result is a drug-addicted population.
Dianetics was designed as broadly applicable low-cost mental health. It is the only mental technology fully validated by actual test. It is fast. It is effective.
Health services should assist it into wide general use.
It can handle the problem.
L.Ron Hubbard

Anyone for some professional Psychiatric Help

KevinOwen's picture

"His criticisms of professional medicine and psychology aim to persuade people to pay him to "cure" them."

Anyone for some professional Psychiatric Help???

Antidepressants involved in 77 percent of reported suicides
New data shows antidepressants and neuroleptics involved in 77 percent of reported suicides
Read the full report on http://jannel.se/suicide.psych...

ELECTRIC SHOCK TREATMENT
PAIN AND FRAUD IN THE
NAME OF THERAPY

"Electric shock should not be
available as a choice just as
thalidomide is not available to
pregnant woman. After fifty years
of practicing this hoax,
psychiatrists are not likely
to suddenly agree that it is
harmful. As soon as they do,
they know there would be a rush
of criminal and civil suits from
which they would never recover.
Governments should outlaw it."

Dr. Michael Chavin

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on
Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

WARNING

Ptgymatic's picture

Mr. Kevin Owen's posts are a commercial endeavor, not an intellectual one. His posts' content should be evaluated as advertisements. His criticisms of professional medicine and psychology aim to persuade people to pay him to "cure" them.

Consider that his freebies may be nothing but advertisements that you will be conned into distributing for him.

--Mindy

Learning Right From Wrong. [FREE PACKAGE]

KevinOwen's picture

Learning Right
From Wrong.

Non-religious Morals
are not hard to learn,
but they must be taught.

For your free information
package, visit,
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If so, can you let us know the church policy on homosexuality?

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As far as I'm aware there aren't any.

There are only two ways into the church.
The first is you can sign up [contract 2 1/2 years or 5yrs at 40 hrs a week ] to work for the church and get training etc free, for your work and services or you can pay for the services, training etc [student] as I did with psychosomatic healing.

Every one does a personality test
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...
which indicates areas of a persons life they want improvement in. Anyone working for the church is put on a crash course to get the test up above the middle line [improving behaviour and thinking] before they are allowed to deal with the public.

The only reason homosexuality etc would come up [confidentially] is to help the person confront what he she was doing in the different courses etc designed to handle those areas of life

I hope that answers some of your questions

Posts by the odd nutter on 'fixing' gays and lesbians

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Yo, Kevin. You claim that you can dissipate the homosexual behaviour of gays and lesbians -- or so it seems.

Will you answer our interest in the apparent claim? Do you have some kind of therapy that you use on gays and lesbians?
If so, is it sanctioned by your church? If so, can you let us know the church policy on homosexuality?

WSS

2642 reads

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The reads are still rising. Take away a few reads or posts by the odd nutter and its still all good. You all come back now you hear!!!. Cheers

Sherk or Shrek?

Ptgymatic's picture

Beautiful post. To the point, and funny too. Sure you aren't related to the big green guy living in "Galt's swamp?"

--Mindy

Kevin Owen 'helps' homos and dykes

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Kevin, you mad misspeller you (isn't there some kind of study tech that can fix this problem of yours? -- it is probably psychosomatic) . . . you seem now to be claiming that you can dissipate homosexual behaviour with Scientology auditing of some kind. Is there any documentation on this bold claim, or are you just blowing sulfurous bigotry out of the lower hole in your body?

You loathsome quack.

WSS

Reed

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Trying to correct Kevin's spelling/grammar is a lost cause.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

Landon -I could act like a

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Landon -
I could act like a cow for the rest of my life - Wouldn't make me one.
True, but if you had a sexual attraction for cows Kevin could cure you - if zoosexuals need curing.

Kevin -
When you said "They may of pulled the wool over your eyes..." what you should have said was "They may have pulled the wool over your eyes...". The error comes from people shortening phrases like "would have" to "would've" which then sounds like "would of".

I could act like a cow for the rest of my life

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Wouldn't make me one.

It's very easy to pretend to be a cured homosexual. But I think the suicide rates and families wrecked due to homosexual affairs among the "cured" speaks for itself.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

homosexuality regarded as a mental illness anymore.

KevinOwen's picture

"For a person running down mental illness, don't you realize that homosexuality isn't even regarded as a mental illness or defect anymore."

They may of pulled the wool over your eyes, Landon, but that wouldn't be hard to do, having a vested interest and being a worshipper of the philosophy. [psychiatry, psychology etc]

I've helped homosexuals and Lesbians with the behavior and their ethics. The behaviour soon dissipates with workable healing.

Just when I thought scientology couldn't get more stupid

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Kevin, you're not saying Scientology can "treat" homosexuality. Why does it even need treated in the first place. For a person running down mental illness, don't you realize that homosexuality isn't even regarded as a mental illness or defect anymore.

It's simply a condition of functioning which can't be changed or treated. Granted there are people who put a lot of effort into pretending to be changed (possibly even some of your better known fellow scientologists).

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

by Simon Power

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Anyone got an opinion on this. It maybe showing some courage to cut bureaucracy??

National will cut bureaucracy and give funds to victims of crime
http://www.national.org.nz/Art...
by Simon Power, Justice02 August 2008

A National Government will ditch Labour’s Sentencing Council and its Criminal Justice Advisory Board and give their funding – more than $6 million – to the victims of crime, National,s Justice spokesman, Simon Power announced today.

In a speech to the National Party Annual Conference in Wellington today, he said both organisations were “an extra layer of bureaucracy that is not needed”.

The Labour Government has allocated $5.8 million to the Sentencing Council over four years and a further $270,000 over three years for a Criminal Justice Advisory Board.

You didn't ask me???

KevinOwen's picture

"How did I, (inadvertently!) seem to ask your sexual preferences?"

I cut and pasted a reply from William Scheeeeck to you on the Solo Homo Node.

"'Mindy I'm gay...'"

Ptgymatic's picture

How did I, (inadvertently!) seem to ask your sexual preferences?

Marty 2 hrs to show your knowledge and skill

KevinOwen's picture

2 hrs to show your knowledge and skill should be sufficient to let an impartial judge know who knows what. If you can't demonstrate what you have, through whatever method, in that time, it would pay to pull out. If you want others to prove your point for you, well your not really up to scratch are you??

You might be sucked in by Medical Journals and worthless reports, endlessly pumped out by rat and mice researchers, with success rates of less than placebo effect but from where I'm sitting they are mainly garbage offering some HOPE in the distant future without any real results.

Millions Lost In Fraudulent Psychiatric Research
http://www.justicefreedom.org/...
Faced with widespread injustice and a judicial system sorely lacking in direction and oversight — and a growing national debt — millions agree that it is time to re-evaluate our priorities in government spending, and to channel funds only toward those programs which are necessary and productive. Who wouldn’t be willing to pay for government services which were valuable and meaningful? And who wouldn’t want their tax dollars to go only to such programs and services?

But Freedom found a corrupt clique which sees exactly the opposite.

Shortly before the acting director of the National Institute of Mental Health appeared before the Labor, Health and Human Services Appropriations Subcommittee of the House of Representatives in mid-1995, requesting a 1996 research budget of $600 million, someone let the cat out of the bag.

In fact, the “cat” was accompanied by a whole menagerie of creatures let loose from earlier NIMH research projects.

With Congress looking for ways to live up to its pledge to balance the budget, NIMH acting director Rex W. Cowdry found himself having to respond to evidence of NIMH’s long-running history of severe and even fraudulent wastage of taxpayer funds.

Among the NIMH projects Cowdry was asked to explain were:

* A study of the brain circuits which control mounting and receptive sexual behavior of the unisex whiptail lizard. In nine years, this project cost $1.4 million.

* A five-year study of red-winged blackbirds to determine how humans make choices of mates, dwelling, reproductive areas, escape routes and foraging areas. Cost: more than $539,000.

* A five-year study of the hormonal mechanisms in the brains of rats which make them want to eat salt. Cost: $5 million.

* A study of tree frogs’ communications to their mates to determine the development and maintenance of speech communication in humans. Cost: over $91,000.

* A 12-year study in which the jaw muscles of pigeons and rats were monitored electronically to determine which brain mechanisms could be linked to eating disorders in humans. Cost: over $545,000.

And many, many more.

William Get some help mate

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"Mindy, I'm gay, and no offence taken at the question.
http://www.solopassion.com/nod...

William, It may pay to look at your own personal ethics and get real, before you worry about me. Cheers.

Kevin

Matty Orchard's picture

We have to agree on some set standrards and get an impartial judge otherwise there is no way of determening a winner.

Read your manual Son.

KevinOwen's picture

I must Mr Hubbard,You are looking well these days??

Marty How one shows it etc, is up to the contestants.

KevinOwen's picture

"...that professional psychiatrists and psychologists are light-years ahead of your theory--Dianetics? Scientology--in both theory and practice."

The above is the bet. How one shows it etc, is up to the contestants. If you want to use that flawed method to push your point, its fine by me. Drug companies use it all the time.

PSYCHIATRY
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Killer Drugs (Prozac)

Many new psychiatric drugs have been
touted as "wonder drugs" only
to turn out to be highly destructive.
One of these, Prozac, has been
found to create intense violent
suicidal thoughts.
As of June 1992, just four and a half
years after its release, Prozac had
amassed more than 23,000 adverse
reaction reports under the U.S. Food
and Drug reaction reporting system
greater than any other drug in the
22 year history of the system.

These included more than 1.300
Prozac related deaths.

For more information contact:

Citizens Commission on Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
P.O. Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
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Mr Owen

L Ron Hubbard's picture

Read your manual Son. This freelance remuneration is out of your jurisdiction. However, Sea Org would be comfortable with 90%, you know the account #.

I want my 1000 dollars!!!

Matty Orchard's picture

"It's time to stop encouraging the nutbar."

It most certainly is not!

Kevin your proposal for the bet is silly because it isn't specific at all. We have to come up with a way to formulate a criteria for pitting our arguments against each other where an objective and neutral source can decide a clear winner.

What you have to do is cite some legitimately sourced studies or scientific tests that demonstrate the benefits of Scientology. What I must then do is show studies that objectively prove traditional medical practices are significantly better than those practices (as you have presented them.)

Once this has been done we need to find an educated person who is neutral to both Scientology and these traditional medical practices (this is the hard part) who can then decide who made the better submission.

That's my criteria, If you agree to it then the bet is on and because it's documented here in writing it should count as a contact under NZ law, so no backsies.

So Kevin, are we on?

Kommisar says kwit answering the kook

William Scott Scherk's picture

But if we don't counter the fellow, then he gets a big SOLO Objectivist soapbox with no critics. And unless SOLO seeks to provide a free office and billboard to a third-rate cult therapist, what else is he here for but ridicule? It can't be open mike night with no hecklers.

As for the idiotic idea of a 1000 dollar bake-off between the kook and combatant, yeah, wow. He can defend his claims by merely laying out for us what he does in his auditing sessions.

Of course, he can't do that because it is against cult strictures.

WSS

Cuckoo, Cuckoo...

Mitch's picture

It's time to stop encouraging the nutbar.

The bet is as you say , show you are light years ahead of us

KevinOwen's picture

I only need a couple of hours to rubbish the whole field of psychiatry, psychology, psychotherapy, criminology etc and demonstrate what Dianetics and Scientology are and can do. What you have to do is show you are light years ahead of us. What I do to accomplish my part is up to me. What you do is up to you.

Who do you imagine I am??

"Why don't you show us.

The bet is

Ptgymatic's picture

...that professional psychiatrists and psychologists are light-years ahead of your theory--Dianetics? Scientology--in both theory and practice.

What are you thinking of, a filibuster of some sort? Verbiage isn't the point.

And, what's this with everybody suspecting I'm not real?? Who do you imagine I am??  

--Mindy

what they know about the mind.

KevinOwen's picture

Each person will have 2hrs to show an agreed upon individual
what they know about the mind etc. That individual would then decide who was the winner.

You might have to front up with your real name and photo first so we know who you really are??

Marty you can keep the money if you want, but make sure you know at least something about the mind and how it works etc first, before you commit yourself.

What a science of the mind must consist of
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Once one has committed themselves to the chalange, they must, then keep their word.

I'm also in

Matty Orchard's picture

But I would like to keep the money.

Sure!

Ptgymatic's picture

How do you propose to determine the winner?

--Mindy

Put up or shut up!!!

KevinOwen's picture

"Still, they are light-years ahead of your "theory," and any practice that is built on it."

Is that right? You want to put some money where your mouth is. What about a thousand bucks. The loser pays it to a charity of the others choice. Anyone else interested?? Put up or shut up!!!

Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurobiological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:
... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

My own backyard...

Ptgymatic's picture

is just fine, thank you. Very green, very extensive, very private, very nice!

As to the clumsy attempt to make me responsible for other than my own statements, get real!

As to the slightly less clumsy attempt to make me responsible for whatever is done in the name of psychiatry or psychology--that is, professional, scientific psychiatry/psychology, I shrug you off on that, too. Both have many, many faults. Both have charlatans. Both have controversy. Still, they are light-years ahead of your "theory," and any practice that is built on it."

--Mindy

ElRon in his own words . . .

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin Owen continues his addled maunderings with a note about Karadzic, who is off to meet his fate in the Hague.

While we wait for Kevin to patiently misspell his next propaganda piece, here is a wonderful excerpt of ElRon at his kookiest (from the site Refund and Reparation).

Lecture: Psychosomatic: Its Meaning In Scientology

Ron the Psychiatrist
______________________

There practically is no practice of Freudian analysis. They practice things like Horney and other squirrel offbeat things and so forth. And perhaps Freud could produce a finite result in the field of the mind. And I know, having been trained to some degree by Commander Thompson, who was trained by Freud, I know very well that Commander Thompson could do some very wild things. He’d do such things as train cats and things like this. It was pretty wild.

I know that doesn’t sound like much, but you really have to have a command of the mind to train a cat. He had a cat he called Psycho. And this cat would do most anything, on command. And it was quite wild, quite fantastic. And the way he trained the cat was directly from knowledge of the mind. He’d wait until the cat did something and then reward it. Now, of course here was a basic student also of Pavlov at work, you see. They’d forgotten the other half of Pavlov’s work: What you must do is punish only, they think.

But he would - he’d just use straight reward. He’d wait for the cat to do something, like jump up on a chair. And then he would say the command word and reward the cat. And he eventually had the cat so the cat would - you - he’d say, “Jump up on the chair,” and the cat would jump up on a chair. And this really made everybody blink. And the cat could do a lot of these silly little tricks.

But there was just an applied piece of the field of the mind, do you see? Directly. He for instance told me things which I have never since found in any of the written works. It’s quite interesting, these little bits of missing information which go to make up the body of data which becomes a practice are mostly, I think to a large extent, missing. Because they’re the word - of - mouth things you pick up around the joint, you know?

He taught me things about association that I don’t find - I find association is something else in the Freudian texts. But association, the concatenation of association whereby a person is actually able to arrive at some conclusion. I say concatenation, I really mean a string of things. And the association by libido theory of course is short - circuited onto the second dynamic, so that the person has certain things he associates with certain things which then these certain things being the woof and warp of his neurosis and psychosis - then his neurosis or psychosis is recognizable by what he has associated with what, you understand? Word association tests, in other words, and so forth.1

Now, some of this has survived through Freudian lines and they do talk about it, but not to the extent that Thompson talked about it. He talked about other things. He talked about a diagnosis of the actual incident through not just listening for five hundred hours to the patient, you see, but actually finding out what he associated with what. And this required a very active and imaginative practitioner. But you could see that a practice of this character whereby you sort of have to get an idea of what’s wrong with the bloke, and then you have to look around and find things for him to pick up and ask him what comes to his mind instantly, you see, and you would arrive with this trauma.

Now, Freud didn’t have in mind four or five years of an hour per week, you see, he didn’t have this in mind, this wasn’t his idea of a treatment. But this other is so imaginative, you see.

— L. Ron Hubbard - Lecture 30 July 1964: Psychosomatic: Its Meaning In Society

1 Hubbard may have received word association therapy from Commander Thompson for his childhood mental problems. From Hubbard's self-affirmations written ca. 1946:

I have a very bad masturbatory history. I was taught when I was 11 and, despite guilt, fear of insanity, etc. etc. I persisted. At a physical examination at a Y when I was about 13, the examiner and the people with him called me out of the line because my testicles hung low and cautioned me about what would happen if I kept on masturbating. This "discovery" was a bad shock to me.

I had to be so silent about it that now when a bedspring squeaks I lose all libido. I eventually found out I would not be insane, or injure myself but the scars remain.

— L. Ron Hubbard -- The Admissions

WSS

Karadzic: Psychiatrist-turned 'Butcher of Bosnia'

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"As a professional or scientific competitor, you're a non-starter."

It might pay to clean up your own backyard before you comment about me.

Karadzic: Psychiatrist-turned 'Butcher of Bosnia'
http://www.cnn.com/2008/WORLD/...
(CNN) -- Radovan Karadzic, whose Interpol charges listed "flamboyant behavior" as a distinguishing characteristic, was a practicing psychiatrist who came to be nicknamed the "Butcher of Bosnia."

ELECTRIC SHOCK TREATMENT
PAIN AND FRAUD IN THE
NAME OF THERAPY
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"Electric shock should not be
available as a choice just as
thalidomide is not available
to pregnant woman. After fifty
years of practicing this hoax,
psychiatrists are not likely to
suddenly agree that it is harmful.
As soon as they do, they know
there would be a rush of criminal
and civil suits from
which they would never recover.
Governments should outlaw it."

Dr. Michael Chavin

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on
Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

Me, worry?

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Yes, I have a couple of moments of worry that newcomers will mistake your posts for something consistent with Objectivism.

As a professional or scientific competitor, you're a non-starter.

--Mindy

Mindy - worst kind of lies, claims

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"Psychiatry and Clinical psychology, however, represent the best scientific knowledge we have about a person's mental/emotional functioning.
The bottom line is that there is no gap for you to fill, Mr. Owen. "

If the above is true, you have nothing to worry about from us then, have you? Those that can do the job will survive and those that can't will end up in the trash, where they belong. We are here for the long run. GET USE TO IT!!

Rehab Fraud Psychiatry's Drug Scam
Report and recommendations on methadone and other disastrous psychiatric drug 'rehabilitation' programs
http://www.mental-health-abuse...

“It is very important to understand one thing about much of the drug rehabilitation field today. Our hope of a cure for drug addiction was not lost. It was buried by an avalanche of psychiatry’s false information and false solutions. Drug addiction is not a disease. Real solutions do exist.”
— Jan Eastgate, President, Citizens Commission on Human Rights

"The following is an advertisement..."

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That's what the top print line of KevinOwen's posts here should read. Beware, newcomers, almost, if not all, of KevinOwen's posts here are attempts to bilk you; what purports to be discussion is in fact the worst kind of lies, claims that are not just unproven, but provably invalid.

--Mindy

"Hi, I'm ElRon, I got an F in Nuclear Physics . . . "

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From his toadstool, magical Kevin Owen disgorges another wee dollop of cult fudge, in order to glorify the founder of his creepy racket.

Did ElRon do well in his physics classes at George Washington University, or did he flunk out?** Kevin, who offers a $200 introductory woo woo session to the brave, also offers a plug for psychic detectives. Next there will be pixies and brownies.

WSS

** [ from Michael Linn Shannon's Biography ]
LRH's grades from George Washington University are as follows

For the year 1930-1931, the first semester.

English 1/2, Rhetoric C
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering 3/4 B

Analytical Geometry F
Physical Education C
First Year German E
Civil Engineering B

For the year 1930-1931, the second semester.

English 112 Rhetoric B
General Chemistry 3/4 D
Mechanical Engineering C
Physical Education A
First Year German * F
Differental Calculus F

For the year 1931-1932, the first semester.

Physics, dynamics of sound
and light E
Differential Calculus D
Integral Calculus
Plane Anal. Geometry
English, short stories B

For the year 1931-1932, the second semester.

Integral Calculus D
English, Short Stories B
Physics, electricity
and magnetism D
Nuclear Physics F

Hubbards grade average was 2.28, or a "D" average.

Kidnap victim's hour of terror

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Kidnap victim's hour of terror
http://www.dailypost.co.nz/loc...

25.07.2008
by Kelly Makiha
Three kidnappers ambushed a man in his car in Rotorua and subjected him to a terrifying hour-long ordeal in which he feared he would be stabbed or beaten.

The kidnappers, who may have been Mongrel Mob members or associates, got into their 20-year-old victim's car in Western Heights and demanded he drive them to various locations in Rotorua.

The driver has told police he was ``terrified' throughout the ordeal before he managed to escape and the offenders drove off in his car.

``I was waiting to be stabbed from behind, beaten or thrown out,' he told police.

Detectives want public help to catch the kidnappers and find the victim's car. It is a Subaru Impreza WRX with 18 inch mag wheels, registered EDM304.

The kidnapping happened some time after 3.30pm last Thursday but police have only just released details of the crime.

The young man was parked on Fairview Rd in Western Heights, looking at sections he was considering buying when a man approached his window and asked if he would take him to pick up his children.

The driver said he couldn't but the man then walked around the car and got in the passenger seat as the driver tried to reverse.

The driver told the man he had to get to his girlfriend's house.

``If I'm late, she's going to kill me,' the victim told him. The man replied: ``We can do worse.'

Detective Constable Leonie Smith of the Rotorua CIB said the young man looked in his rear view mirror and saw two other men approach the car and get into the back seat.

Ms Smith said all three were drinking Waikato beer bottles.

The man in the front seat told him to drive to the Aquatic Centre to pick up his daughter.

When they got there, the man in the front seat waited while the two in the back went into the pools. They came back 10 minutes later and said the man's daughter had already been picked up.

The three men then demanded the driver to take them to ``P drive', or Pohutukawa Dr.

Half way down Pohutukawa Dr, he was told to pull over. The man in the passenger seat and another from the back got out and went into a nearby house, leaving one of the men in the rear seat.

They came back about 10 minutes later saying the person they were looking for was ``back in the Block', referring to Fordlands.

The driver was then forced to go to Wing Pl in Fordlands, off Harold Cres.

``They said `now what we want you to do is put your hands on your head and give me all of your stuff'.'

Ms Smith said the driver handed over performance car parts he had under his seat, including a blow off valve and turbo smart boost control.

``While his [the passenger] hands were full, he takes the opportunity to jump out of the car and run.'

Ms Smith said the driver left his car running, as well as his wallet and mobile phone.

``He ran over a couple of yards and people's properties before going to someone's house on Harold Cres to phone police.'

A few minutes later, the driver heard his car being driven away.

He called police at 5.18pm - more than an hour after he was kidnapped.

"She pointed out that ethics and reason

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"She pointed out that ethics and reason is a faculty of the mind not only applicable to the flesh but also to mans emotion/spiritual reality."

I wasn't trying to lessen what Ayn Rand may of attributed to the bigger picture and I apologize if it seemed that way. Hubbard acknowledges all earlier philosophers for their discoveries

Fundamentals Of Thought

Forward

This Thin Book is a summation, if brief, of the results of
fifty thousand years of thinking men. Their materials, researched and capped by a quarter of a century of original search by L.Ron Hubbard, have bought the humanities, so long outdistanced by the "exact sciences" into a state of equality, if not superiority, to physics, chemistry and mathematics.

Mr Hubbard, an American, studied nuclear physics at George Washington University in Washington, DC, before he started his studies about the mind, spirit and life. This explains the mathematical precision of the Scientology Religion.

information on their own?

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"Are those mystics actually able to ascertain all that information on their own? Is that what you are telling me?"

All on their own. Its not that bigger deal when you understand the mechanics of it all. You might of missed the show where Nigel Latter, NZ Psychologist was invited along, right throughout the ordeal and keep an eye on things.

How much Kev

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for the crash course? Could be useful in the next life.

Careful

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"That's not putting objectivists down, its just stating that Ayn Rand didn't have the skills to research that area of life [spirit and mind] even though she may have made comments on it. If she had objectivists would have the knowledge and ability to handle psychosomatic illness"

She did a great deal in setting up the stage of what you take for granted. She pointed out that mind and soul are not polar opposites but part of the same unit. She pointed out that ethics and reason is a faculty of the mind not only applicable to the flesh but also to mans emotion/spiritual reality.

Kevin

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Talk about slowing down the "look" and realize "you don't know it all process". I am in the looking stage. I don't care about the mechanics at this point. I want to first authenticate whether what they are doing is working.
From any point of view. Are those mystics actually able to ascertain all that information on their own? Is that what you are telling me?

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