SOLO-NZ Press Release—Ahmed Zaoui Must Publicly Condemn Terrorism

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Submitted by Sandi on Wed, 2007-09-19 01:49

SOLO-NZ Press Release—Ahmed Zaoui Must Publicly Condemn Terrorism

SOLO-NZ calls upon Ahmed Zaoui to publicly condemn terrorism and renounce terrorist activities, by publicly showing that he has given to the Security Intelligence Service a full and frank disclosure of all terrorist groups he has been involved with, including people, funding, locations and plans, says SOLO spokesman Sandra Ashworth.

"Any declaration from Ahmed Zaoui must be made with direct reference that he has not used the Islamic deception of Taqiyya, a precedent which enables Muslims to deceive for the betterment of Islam, Ms Ashworth adds.

"The SIS will be able to confirm that he has cooperated fully and completely.

"Only then can Ahmed Zaoui be rightly called a refugee and entitled to protection here in New Zealand, where any Kiwi should be proud to protect and defend someone who fights terrorism.

"If Zaoui ignores this request, it will show the security assessment that 'he is no longer a threat' to be false, and therefore will give ground for his expulsion from New Zealand.

"Freedom has a price, and rights come with the responsibility not to violate those of others, or be actively committed to such violation. Ahmed Zaoui should be very much aware of this."

Sandra Ashworth


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Taqiyya: Phil's take & Robert Spencer's take

Richard Wiig's picture

Phil said:

As for taqiyya, you should know that Zaoui is Sunni, not Shi'a, and taqiyya is a minority Shi'a doctrine, condemned by most Sunnis (as a frequently persecuted minority, Shi'a developed this in order to survive under hostile rulers). It only applies to renouncing Islam in order to save your own life, not to advance the cause of Islam or confuse the unbeliever.


And yes, it's more of that god damned recycling.

Taqiyya about taqiyya

An Islamic apologist, A.M., frequently sends me articles that he claims demonstrate the inaccuracy of what I say about Islam. However, usually the articles he sends don't refute anything I say, but rather demonstrate the rather breathtaking talent that some people have for deception and misdirection.

So it is with this piece about the Islamic doctrine of deception, taqiyya. The author, who identifies himself only as Ibn al-Hashimi, quotes a number of Shi'ite authorities approving of deceptive practices, and concludes:

Lying is a big sin in Islam, and the best believer is the one who always tells the truth. The Shia faith is a deranged ideology, one which advocates cussing (Tabarra), prostitution (Mutah), self-flagellation (Matam), and deceit (Taqiyyah). It is not possible that the Deen of Haqq (the Religion of Truth) would advocate deceit, lying, and hiding. Taqiyyah is a practise of a cult or a secret society, and it is not used by those who follow the Religion of God. Declared one Imam of the Shia: “…Taqiyyah is the distinctive feature of the Shia.” We would have to agree with him on this point.

So taqiyya is just another invention of the dirty Shi'ites, and the true Muslims, i.e. the Sunnis, don't practice it. This anti-Shi'ite polemic, however, fails to mention a few inconvenient facts. Chief among these is that Sunni authorities have found sanction for this practice in the Qur'an itself: “Let not the believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers. If any do that, in nothing will there be help from Allah; except by way of precaution, that ye may guard yourselves from them” (Qur’an 3:28).

The Sunni Qur’an commentator Ibn Kathir explains that in this verse “Allah prohibited His believing servants from becoming supporters of the disbelievers, or to take them as comrades with whom they develop friendships, rather than the believers.” However, exempted from this rule were “those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly. For instance, Al-Bukhari recorded that Abu Ad-Darda' said, 'We smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them.' Al-Bukhari said that Al-Hasan said, 'The Tuqyah [taqiyyah] is allowed until the Day of Resurrection.'"

This practice is also sanctioned by the Qur’an warning Muslims that those who forsake Islam will be consigned to Hell — except those forced to do so, but who remain true Muslims inwardly: “Any one who, after accepting faith in Allah, utters unbelief — except under compulsion, his heart remaining firm in faith — but such as open their breast to unbelief, on them is wrath from Allah, and theirs will be a dreadful penalty” (Qur’an 16:106). Ibn Kathir explains that “the scholars agreed that if a person is forced into disbelief, it is permissible for him to either go along with them in the interests of self-preservation, or to refuse.”

Moreover, Sahih Bukhari, the hadith collection that Sunnis consider the most reliable, records three times Muhammad's statement that "war is deceit." Are we to suppose that no Sunni who reads that thinks it is a principle worth implementing?

Another hadith in a collection considered reliable by Sunnis has Muhammad saying that lying is permissible "in three cases: in battle, for bringing reconciliation amongst persons and the narration of the words of the husband to his wife, and the narration of the words of a wife to her husband (in a twisted form in order to bring reconciliation between them)" (Sahih Muslim 6303). Muhammad also gave the killer of Ka'b bin al-Ashraf permission to lie in order to deceive Ka'b and lure him to his death.

Another venerable Sunni commentator on the Qur'an, as-Suyuti, says that "it is acceptable (for a Muslim) to eat the meat of a dead animal at a time of great hunger (starvation to the extent that the stomach is devoid of all food); and to loosen a bite of food (for fear of choking to death) by alcohol; and to utter words of unbelief..."

So why didn't "Ibn al-Hashimi" mention any of this? After all, if he had taken up this and other material from Sunnis and explained why he didn't think it was valid today, that would be one thing. But when he just ignores it and acts as if all the justification for religiously-sanctioned deception is on the Shi'ite side, it makes me wonder if he is just practicing...religiously sanctioned deception.

Singing like a bird

Phil Howison's picture

According to Fran O''Sullivan, Zaoui has already renounced terrorism - "singing like a bird," swearing on the Qu'ran to seek permission from the SIS before getting in touch with former contacts, and telling them everything he knows about GIA terrorist networks.

I don't think Zaoui - convicted of associating with terrorists in Belgium and France, and deported from Switzerland, due to his association with the terrorist organization responsible for several bombings of the Paris Metro, and the hijacking of an airliner which they threatened to fly into the Eiffel Tower - should have been allowed here in the first place. His life was in no danger in Malaysia, and he is an admitted Islamist.

But I am willing to trust the SIS on this one. He has renounced terror and offered information. He has not done so publicly, but to the SIS, the organization which is entrusted with the responsibility of preventing terrorism in New Zealand. I don't have a security clearance, or access to their information, so I might as well trust them to make the decision.

As for taqiyya, you should know that Zaoui is Sunni, not Shi'a, and taqiyya is a minority Shi'a doctrine, condemned by most Sunnis (as a frequently persecuted minority, Shi'a developed this in order to survive under hostile rulers). It only applies to renouncing Islam in order to save your own life, not to advance the cause of Islam or confuse the unbeliever.


Richard Wiig's picture

This is wonderful Sandi. Let's hope he responds.


Elijah Lineberry's picture

is about as likely as Helen Clark publicly condemning the Labour Government, and for similar reasons... Eye

Great PR On the related

Lance's picture

Great PR Laughing out loud
On the related subject of the call for so called 'moderate Muslims' to denounce and condemn terrorism and how much it upsets the fuzzy wuzzies: I was reading a couple of days ago how many NZ hunters had come out and denounced and condemned the actions of the 1080 'enviro-terrorists'. A not unreasonable analogy I thought.

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