Rugby World Cup

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Submitted by Mark Hubbard on Sat, 2007-10-06 20:58

Gutted.

Going out for lunch .. a nice one, and a long one, I think. 

(Those bloody French.) 


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Mmmm, I better find a copy

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Mmmm, I better find a copy of that article I think.

Yes ...

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"Gutted" is a PC crap word. Smiling

Did

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you read Deborah's article in the Herald on Sunday? Sticking out tongue

(I mention it due to use of a certain word in Mark's original post) Eye

More ...

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... on the touchy-feelyism in NZ rugby. Sports writer Duncan Johnstone in today's Sunday Star-Times. Excerpt:

I'm not happy at all with the sections of New Zealand sporting public who seem so accepting of the All Blacks' world cup failing. And I'm equally uncomfortable with the internal review process that gets under way this week. It seems the political correctness that has pervaded our schools sporting system that says it's all about participation rather than results is now being applied to our most successful national team. The day that we accept that the world's No1 ranked side, the team that had set the standards leading up to the tournament, can bow out of the world cup at the quarter-finals stage, is the day we wave the white flag as a rugby nation. Have five successive cup failings really dragged us to this new low in terms of acceptable standards?

Clear understanding IRT things that matter

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Here's a remarkably lucid plea to fellow South Africans to pull together to stop the inverted racism that is destined to spoil South Africa's chances of ever winning a rugby match again.

It's a shame he only admits to the injustice and damage the racially motivated quota system is causing in regards to Rugby, and doesn't admit to how evil the inverted racist policies of the "de jure" RDP (reconstruction and development policy) is in regards to all economic and social aspects of life in a country that is fast becoming the shithole that is Zimbabwe.

Well what do you expect from a culture (not race) that has never looked beyond the expediency of range of the moment personal gain, irrespective of how it ruins the future of all.

In the same breath I have to admit that the Afrikaner Nationalist politicians who upheld Apartheid against all odds were just as fucking evil for disenfranchising an entire nation...may they rot in infamy.

I will not even start to mention how the media and elite here in good old multicultural (i.e. systemised racism) Oz appease and condone all forms of racist action from indigenous minorities (including secesionist ambitions of the kind that used to be called "Apartheid" ) , and brutally mob every instance of defence by ordinary Australians of British origin.

How strange that these racist acts in South Africa and Zimbabwe do not envoke even a whisper from the millions of bleeding heart pinkos and anti-apartheid leftie activists who were so vocal during the "Apartheid years". The evil-appeasing scumbags.

Hilton

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

"So we've got this

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"So we've got this mollycoddled generation of sportsmen who might be great athletes but who have lost all ability to think for themselves.

Superb.

"They seem to have forgotten the ultimate objective of sport is to win and to have guys on the field. In Australia the team doctors see their role is to get the players back out on the field. In New Zealand their role has been to get them off," he said. "I mean, what top-level sportsman doesn't play with some injury?"

Just about brings a tear to the eye. Give that man a beer.

Morrison on touchy-feelies

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The message is getting out there:

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Former test cricketer John Morrison believes New Zealand's cricketers are in danger of going down the same track as the All Blacks by being absolved of all personal responsibility.

Morrison, who coached Wellington after his retirement and has forged a career in local body politics, said bloated entourages and over-analysis had combined to dilute the main strength of New Zealand cricketers - the ability to think on their feet and to innovate.

He cited the All Blacks' failure at the World Cup as the biggest indictment on modern sports management and feared New Zealand Cricket was going down the same path.

"In his book Nathan Astle raised one interesting point when he talked about being sick and tired of attending three meetings a day and over-analysing every aspect of the sport.

"Ultimately, what cricket comes down to is a batsman hitting the ball and a bowler trying to prevent him doing that. What more is there to talk about?"

Morrison last week launched a website, www.cricketmystery.com, and promises he won't hold back when debating the issues surrounding the sport in this country.

"I'm always worried when I go to a ground and see cricket coaches poring over laptops but the problem is, now if you say anything to the contrary you're called old and out of touch.

' So instead we've created this industry of extras around the team who have to justify their existence by taking any decisions or responsibilities away from the players.

"So we've got this mollycoddled generation of sportsmen who might be great athletes but who have lost all ability to think for themselves.

"An off-shoot of that is you get individuals in the team who try to do things their own way and they're labelled as difficult or selfish."

Morrison also has a well-developed suspicion of the increased role of sports science and medicine.

"They seem to have forgotten the ultimate objective of sport is to win and to have guys on the field. In Australia the team doctors see their role is to get the players back out on the field. In New Zealand their role has been to get them off," he said. "I mean, what top-level sportsman doesn't play with some injury?"

Oh

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gosh...that poofy talkback host, Alan Jones, wants his old coaching position back! 20 years later! Shocked

Hmmmmmmm...things are getting surreal...

Damn, just gone to read the

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Damn, just went to read the Astle story and it's down already. I thought Stuff kept it's articles up for at least a month.

 

I wouldn't trust an AlI Black

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to walk my dog... they can't hold on to a lead. Laughing out loud

Nathan Astle on the touchy-feelies in cricket ...

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I

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spent most of the match reading my Paul Erdman novel "Last Day Of America"...with Damien and other the other servant (whose name I have forgotten) standing around the television clapping and making odd 'throat' noises.

It appears South Africa won.

Gosh...that was of great interest to me! Sticking out tongue

Naturally, I set myself up in the drawing room with a cigar, good book, cup of tea and slice of date loaf with the sole intention of being interrupted Eye

(if anyone is interested Sticking out tongue ...I am up to the part where the hero kills the evil Swiss lawyer, in the novel) Sticking out tongue

Yeah, dull ...

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I just watched the replay. One almost-try by England, but all the points from kicking. Not much in it. If Johnny's boot had been in better form the Cup would have stayed where it was with those jolly brave English chaps. Smiling

Actually, the most exciting moment was when poor Percy crashed into the television camera. Or should that be, poor camera?!

No more wind

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Thanks for conceding that so preemptively. Prior to taking the wind out of my sails I was going to rub it in more decisively...but you're right about the game.

It would however been risky for SA to have thrown the ball around more against an England that was rock-solid in most areas.

PS! Your lone congratulatory voice is highly appreciated though.

Hilton

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

Ya got it Hilton.  My

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Ya got it Hilton.

 My commentary of the game:

 Kick, kick ... kick, kick, kick ...kick, kick. Full time. Zzzzzzz.

Here's why the All Blacks

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Here's why the All Blacks lost.

They were worn out. 

Bloody Johnny

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I have to admit that while writing this right after the Springbok, win I felt a tinge of guilt for not having take a more definite stand earlier on...but I was never that sure they were going to win...till after this morning.

Obviously Johnny remains the only threat...but it just confirms the value of the individual, even in a team sport like rugby.

What a "pain in the ass" Kiwi ref though, but at least he was consistent in his efforts to break all momentum for both the Bokke and Pumas..makes me relish the big 58-0 thrashing we gave you even more.

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

Ah well, with a win over

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Ah well, with a win over Argentina this morning, it looks like the cup is yours now, unless those tired old warhorses, the Brits, can pump enough viagra into their systems to get it up for one more game.

Yep Mark

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The exact same ones mate.

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

Um, was that the Springbok I

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Um, was that the Springbok I saw at 20-20 with the Fijians with only twenty minutes to go Hilton Smiling

Boohoo..bleed on, ye bunch of cocksure Kiwis

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Guess who's going to win now...

Go the Bokke

Hilton

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

Just saw better rugby ...

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... between Hawkes Bay and Waikato!

They should be ashamed of themselves

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The All Blacks and the coaches.

They played the dumbest rugby in recent memory. The French didn't win, we handed it to them. In fact, we never fired a shot at this tournament; a handful of easy-beats, and when we face our first half-decent opponent, we fold. Sickening. No excuses. No intelligence. No guts. It was 2003 all over again.

Neanderthal tactics against a team that only had one game plan: to maintain a flat defence at all times. So, what did the Blacks do? They just hammered away at that defensive wall, and all to no avail. So, why didn't Kelleher, Carter or any other back chip over the top and turn the French forwards around, again and again until the broke? Because our players, despite all the talk and all the hype, were just too fucking stupid.

Shame on them for throwing it all away. Betrayal is what it is.

I

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was pleased England beat Australia. Smiling

A friend of mine in Christchurch is crowing having placed a bet, quite some time ago, of England vs France in the final, at odds of something like 18-1.

But yes, gosh...rather a shame for New Zealand.

Oh well...there is always next time, and in true Fountainhead style I wonder if our 'best' players are in provincial teams somewhere in the South Island, or Hawkes Bay, who were simply not telegenic enough to appear in television commercials...(if you know what I mean?)

I hope ...

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... this sees the end of the "sports psychologists" (witch-doctors) and all that PC touchy-feely bullshit. You knew we were done for when Graham Henry started saying "going forward."

And no being stars until they've secured the ultimate prize. Until that day they're in boot camp, with daily spankings.

I think I can safely say

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I think I can safely say I've never agreed with Willie Jackson on ANYTHING, except perhaps, now, and like him, on an All Black loss in that game, I don't think I can stand to watch another game of rugby for about three years.

Depression

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A few minutes ago the "Depression" thread was just two below this one on the 'Recent Posts' page.

Sums it up, really.

Wallabies

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out too Sad

What a debacle. Luke McAlister sinbinned!? Huh!?

So depressed. *sniff*

Just reading the RugbyWorldCup.com match summary. No mention of the dubious nature of the yellow card, or of the forward pass. You'd think it never happened.

Yeah ...

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.... long lunch starts now. Fuck!!

Mitch will attest—I said all along this team was not mongrel enough. Not enough KASS mentally. Of course, it didn't help that we were playing a 16-man team: the French and the ref.

Re 'no kick', unfortunately

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Re 'no kick', unfortunately Carter was off injured, and McAlister did have one attempt, but was too far away. Even then it's an option only taken in desperation, as whenever they did it they would lose control of the ball, which is not a good option with the full time whistle about to go.

 Very long lunch I think. And no sleep last night, we had a hurricane down here, at one stage I thought we were going to end up with Diamond Harbour in our bedroom. 

Gutted

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The last few minutes would have been absolutely magnificent if not for the final result. Am still learning to understand the finer point of the greatest game on earth but I kept wondering why no kick? Was noone left on the field who could have done this? I was a bit confused. And alone in my living room with no one to ask.

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