Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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Submitted by Anonymous Guest on Thu, 2007-10-18 08:24

Spiritual and Mental Stress [psychosomatic], cause a large proportion of physical and mental illnesses, experienced by individuals.

These physical symptoms are then diagnosed by the Medical Doctor and Psychiatrists etc and treated with physical treatments. [Medication, operations, chemotherapy etc]

As the medical model mainly deals with the physical symptoms and has virtually no cures for these illnesses, and never will, they become acute or chronic and need long-term treatment.

When the Spiritual and Mental aspects of the psycosomatic illness or injury are handled with different forms of Psychotherapy, the symptoms improve and in many cases cease to exist.

All illness should be handled with Spiritual and Mental Therapies [psychotherapy] if possible, as medication or drugs are not needed to get improvement and it has no side effects. The improvement is rapid, as after therapy the person is aware that his/her condition has improved.

Many operations are not needed when the above psychotherapies are used on the physical or mental condition or problem. Work stress can be lessened quickly without medications. All injuries, healing of them can be sped up. Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...


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Sometimes the best medicine is no medicine

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The article below shows some results with placebo effects. With workable psychotherapy therapy of the soul [thought] and Mind [memory or past thought] one doesn't need the placebo treatments as thought and the problems associated with it are handled directly with a far higher sucess rate [90%] than than placebo effect trials [20 - 40%]

Sometimes the best medicine is no medicine
The power of the placebo effect
http://www.themanitoban.com/ar...
Jen Robinson | Sep 22
The healing effects of placebo treatments (which include sugar pills, saline injections and even sham surgeries) have been demonstrated in a wide range of medical ailments, from chronic pain and allergies to Parkinson’s disease and cancer.

Watch your step, or I'll publish OT-III on this board...

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Is that you Mister Hubbard or Adam Gold??

Fireman said:
When your on the way to the fire, don't worry about the yapping dogs

Watch your step, or I'll publish OT-III on this board...

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...for all to giggle and point at. The facsimiles of Hubbard's scraw about Xenu, volcanoes, and "body thetans" was swiped from Celebrity Centre in Hollywood long ago and posted to the Internet for all to gawk at, laugh at, and download. You wouldn't want me to disseminate "the tech" to all these pre-clears, would you?

Thanks for the dissertation, all true in your mind I suppose.

I suppose. For Hubbard, it was all about things "being true for you," right? But unfortunately for your argument, there have been many books on the subject (including one by Hubbard's son), and many front page feature articles in the Los Angeles Times, The New York Times, Time Magazine, available trial transcripts, and of course material coming out of Europe.

France is considering making Scientology quite simply illegal. That rattles my libertarian sensibilities, but I can't say I'm exactly shedding tears over it.

Give my regards to Source if you see him.

Welcome to Solo Passion Adam Gold

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Welcome to Solo Passion Adam [4 days and 3 hours] Its good to see your've come out fighting.
I hope you last the distance?? I look forward to seeing a photo soon.
Thanks for the dissertation, all true in your mind I suppose.
Lucky for everyone else your the only one looking into it??

Dianetics is not a

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Dianetics is not a combination of "Dia" and "netics". That's simply Hubbard's propaganda.

It's well documented that Hubbard practiced black magick, including sex magick (involving groups), in imitation of Alistair Crowley. The Church of Scientology is even structured along similar lines as the Masonic Lodge to which Crowley belonged, the OTO, or Ordo Templi Orientis. The difference is that whereas Masonry has "degrees" and "rituals", Scientology advertises a "bridge" ("The Bridge to Total Freedom") with "steps" and "courses", "training", or "run-downs" in place of masonic rituals.

"Dianetics" is a coalescing of the name "Diana" (the goddess of witchcraft and hypnotism) with the simple suffix "-etics" which means "the practice of."

"Dianetics" is the practice of invoking the goddess Diana.

In case you're wondering, the difference between Dianetics and Scientology is that the former is used to prep people and "soften them up" for entry into the latter. The former is advertised as a scientific form of "mental therapy"; the latter is a full-blown religious philosophy, which the Church refers to internally as "religious technology" (their clipped, abbreviated jargon for it is "the tech").

In Dianetics, a patient (often called a "pre-Clear") meets with a therapist (called an "auditor") for a therapy session called "auditing." In auditing, the auditor puts the patient into a light trance state by asking him to get into a relaxed position, hands outstretched, and eyes looking up. In each hand, the patient -- I kid you not -- holds a sort of metal can attached by wires to a device with a dial and needle on it. It's a simple type of lie detector which the Church calls an "E-meter." During the auditing session, the auditor asks a series of ever more probing questions -- all the time requesting the patient to bypass his rational faculties about the nature of the question or the intent of the auditor and concentrate instead on pure sense perception: at this particular painful time in your childhood, what did you smell? What sort of sounds did you hear when that painful event happened to you? etc. All the while, the responses of the needle on the E-meter are noted and written down by the auditor in a file, which is then kept "for safekeeping" at one of the Scientology/Dianetics centers known as "orgs" or "missions." In other words, they keep dossiers on people as they ventilate about very personal matters.

Since Scientology is a dark cult, none of the symbology really means what it is purported to mean. For example, the corporate logo for Scientology -- two interlocked triangles with a large "S" snaking through them -- comes straight out of Crowley. Crowley was pushing a sort of Nietzchean, hedonistic, power philosophy based on the Greek idea of "thelema" or "will" and were written about in his book "Magick in Theory and Practice" (note his spelling of "Magick" to distinguish it from the stage/entertainment variety). The two central ideas for Crowley were represented by the two triangles: the first triangle represented the statement "Do what thou wilt shall be the whole of the law." The second, lower triangle represented the statement "Love is the law; love under will." They are often represented by Crowley as two equilateral triangles, one underneath the other. Hubbard alters this a bit, as well as slightly rotating the triangles, but the symbology is the same.

Once ported from Dianetics therapy into Scientology "training," constant psychological pressure is applied to devotees to join various cults within the cult, such as the "Sea Org." The Sea Org is an "elite" organization that spends its time at sea on one of the luxury yachts owned by the Church. During cruises, additional courses are given to a literally captive audience (since there's nowhere to run). Those who join the Sea Org are asked to "donate" the entire contents of their bank accounts to the Church. The Church also believes in reincarnation. So if a Sea Org signatory balks at having to forfeit all of his savings and checking, he is told, "Don't worry, you'll get it back -- ten times over -- the next time you come back." To drive home how serious they are about reincarnation, Sea Org signatories have to sign a BILLION year service contract (!) There are also other internal cults within the cult having to do with security: spying on people within the Church to ensure that they don't say negative things about it.

Internally, the Church of Scientology also has a punishment camp for those committing infractions against various rules. The camp is called the Rehabiliation Project Force, or RPF. Though its punishment protocols have probably changed, under Hubbard, "prisoners" would be forced to do things like walk an actual gang plank on one of the Scientology ships while at sea.

Aren't you glad you learned about Dianetics and Scientology? It makes you want to run right out and buy Hubbard's books, now doesn't it!

Avoid Hubbard. Stick to Rand and Mises.

Preschoolers Leading the Growth in Use of Antidepressants

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This is good business. Why wait until they are adults to get them all on psych drugs.
Lets get them started on these wonder drugs early?? Every human behaviour can be labelled as a disease, these days,
so no-one has to miss out. This is all taxpayer funded, so no worries there. Come in and see your friendly psychiatrist or psychologist.

Preschoolers Leading the Growth in Use of Antidepressants
http://www.emaxhealth.com/1357...

Submitted by Tyler Woods Ph.D. on Sep 18th, 2009

Children 5 years old and younger are the fastest-growing population using antidepressants today says a study published in the journal Psychiatric Services. This makes preschooler leading the growth in the use of antidepressants.
The number of 2- to 4-year-olds on psychiatric drugs including Ritalin and antidepressants like Prozac jumped 50 percent between 1991 and 1995, researchers reported in the Journal of the American Medical Association which is confirming that preschoolers seem to be the leading the growth in the use of antidepressants.

DIANETICS: UNDERSTANDING THE MIND

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Without an understanding of the mind and how to defrag it, Physical Healers are doomed to endless research with virtually no results.
I don't mind how much research they do as long as they fund it themselves.

DIANETICS: UNDERSTANDING THE MIND
http://www.essentialdianetics....

Dianetics: Dia (Greek) through, nous (Greek) soul.
Prior to 1950, prevailing scientific thought had concluded man’s mind to be his brain, i.e., a collection of cells and neurons, and nothing more. Not only was it considered that man’s ability cannot be improved, but it also was believed that with the formation of his cerebral cortex, his personality was likewise irrevocably established. These theories were, however, inaccurate, and as a consequence science has never evolved a workable theory of the mind nor a means to resolve problems of the mind.

What Cause Suppression
http://www.dianetics.org/?bran...

I would activate an ex-earth imperative. (!!)

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Okay. Going by your recent photo, it doesn't look like you have long to do it. Good luck.

Lieutenant Owen

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You are at quantum tolerance.

There exists a "cease and desist" directive. If it were not for your continuing extractions under threat of blackmail I would activate an ex-earth imperative. (!!)

Biography of Hubbard.

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You asked by whom and how. Thats what I gave you.
If you would of watched the video clip, right through, you might of learn that.

"No, they all different diseases with different causes and patologies, and this is proven fact."

They are all different symptoms and the medical model does its best to treat them all physically.
The only proven fact is that they are all a deteriation of flesh or bone with an allocated label.
What causes all these breakdowns in flesh and bone is unknown in the field of medicine [fact],
suggesting that the cause is outside the physical healers expertise and research organizations, hence the army of
tax payer funded physical healers and researchers treating symptoms with virtually no cures.
[excluding stem cell sauce, a cure for arthiris???]

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills,
including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

The physical healer does a good job to the best of his ability to treat all these symptoms, but when a condition or wound he/she has treated,
for weeks or years, doesn't heal or improve [becomes chronic] in the standard time it should of healed,
you are dealing with a psychosomatic [stress related condition] illness which can be improved with workable psychotherapy.

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...
Handling the stress related to all illness.
With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress comes an improvement in health.

Auditing could be described as a very unique form of personal counseling which helps an individual look at his own existence and improves his ability to confront what he is and where he is. There are vast differences between the technology of auditing and other forms of counseling. There is no use of hypnosis, trance techniques or drugs during auditing. The person being audited is completely aware of everything that happens. Auditing is a precise, thoroughly codified activity with exact procedures.

KevinOwen

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To discover means to conduct research and to find facts of reality which support your theory. I asked to see the proof of your claim, not biography of Hubbard.
"The above are just labels for different parts of the body that are sick." No, they all different diseases with different causes and patologies, and this is proven fact.

"all the pain attendant upon it was stored in a part of the mind and that this pain and unconsciousness accumulated until it caused the organism to begin to die."

You have to support your claim with objective evidence. If this is basic discoveries of Dianetics, please show it.

"Discovered by whom and

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"Discovered by whom and how?"

L. Ron Hubbard: Founder [Short clip on the road to discovery]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"How and where pain is stored and for how long?"

Until it is realeased
Dianetics Video: An Introduction to Dianetics
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"Which particular kind of arthritis stored pain causes-gouty arthritis, rheumatoid, lupus, psoriatic, infective, osteoarthritis, rheumatic fever or Familiar Mediterranean fever arthritis, any other or all of them? If you cannot answer these questions in the proper scientific way, then your "theory" is not any better than any "theory" of any prehistoric shaman in the middle of the jungle."

The above are just labels for different parts of the body that are sick. Treating all those symptoms, physically, may give some relief,
but the illnesses [psychosomatic] go on to become chronic, even after years of medical treatment [Science at its best].
When the stress causing the physical problems is handled the condition can then heal and the medical treatment may work better or may not be needed.

Psychosomatic refers to mind and somatic refers to body; the term psychosomatic means the mind making
the body ill or illnesses which have been created physically within the body by derangment of the mind.
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

One of the basic discoveries of Dianetics was that unconsciousness and all the pain attendant upon it was stored in a part of the mind and that this pain and unconsciousness accumulated until it caused the organism to begin to die.
Another discovery of Dianetics was that this pain could be nullified or erased with a return to full consciousness and a rehabilitation toward survival.
In other words, with Dianetics, it became possible to cancel out the accumulated unconsciousness and pain of the years and restore the health and vitality of an organism.
Accumulated physical pain and loss brings about a reduction of consciousness, a reduction of physical health and a reduction of the will to live to a point where the organism actively, if often slyly, seeks death.

Psychotherapy, not knowing about pain storage and its effects discovered long ago that one could rid a patient of one illness only to have another pop up -and psychotherapy became a defeatist school because it could do nothing permanent for the abberrated or the ill even when it could do a little something to relieve it. Hence, all efforts to make men vital and well became suspect because the reason they were inefficient and ill had not been discovered and proven.

http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

KevinOwen

Leonid's picture

"They are trying to repair the damaged area without handling what caused it to breakdown.”
And what caused it to breakdown and how?

"Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain
remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent."

Discovered by whom and how?
How and where pain is stored and for how long? How do we know that pain is stored? What is particular mechanism by which stored pain causes arthritis which is inflammation of the joint? Which particular kind of arthritis stored pain causes-gouty arthritis, rheumatoid, lupus, psoriatic, infective, osteoarthritis, rheumatic fever or Familiar Mediterranean fever arthritis, any other or all of them? If you cannot answer these questions in the proper scientific way, then your "theory" is not any better than any "theory" of any prehistoric shaman in the middle of the jungle.

Stem Cell Treatments Offer Hope for VICTIMS

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Stem Cell Treatments Offer Hope for VICTIMS

We hear in the news again that stem cell treatments offer NEW HOPE. Hips can be regrown just by mixing some stem cell mush with bone marrow and squirting this sauce like substance into the diseased bone.

Even if squirting this mush like substance, randomly, into the effected area, did get some result, which would be less than placebo effect anyway, they still haven't handled what caused the problem in the first place. They are trying to repair the damged area without handling what caused it to breakdown. Thats the physical healer for you. One can't put him down for trying?? I don't mind as long as he/she doesn't use tax payer dollars to fund their circus.

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored
memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain
remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

The Prozac Calamity

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The Prozac Calamity by award winning Scientist Shane Ellison
Masters Degree in Organic Chemistry [watch this short video]
http://www.cchrint.org/2009/08...

I love Big Pharma. After getting a masters degree in drug design, I was fortunate enough to work within their
st...inky labs and l......earn the inner workings of corporate drug making (and dealing). My most important lesson:
Not all drugs are bad. Some are really bad.

KevinOwen

Leonid's picture

"You are a thetan, a spiritual being "
Apparently you haven't reach OT III level yet.

"You lot did a good job on Micheal Jackson??." Me?? Never met this guy. He drugged himself to death. Does scientology endorses blame culture?

How Psychiatric Drugs Cause Violence, Suicide, and Crime

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Medication Madness: How Psychiatric Drugs Cause Violence, Suicide, and Crime
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/... [full Article]

Medication spellbinding has four basic effects.

First, people taking psychiatric drugs rarely realize how much the drugs are impairing them mentally or emotionally. They often do not recognize that they've become irrational, depressed, angry, or even euphoric since beginning the medication.

Second, if they do realize that they are having painful emotional feelings, medication spellbinding causes them to blame their feelings on something other than the drug. They may get angry at their husbands, wives or children, and become abusive. Or they might blame themselves and become suicidal. Often they confuse the harmful drug effect with their emotional problems and attribute their emotional distress to "mental illness."

Third, medication spellbinding makes some people feel that they are doing better than ever when in reality they are doing much worse than ever. In one case, a man who was high on a combination of an antidepressant and a tranquilizer happily went on a daylight robbery spree in his hometown wearing no disguise. Another otherwise ethical citizen happily embezzled money while documenting the details in easily accessible company computer files. Both men thought they were on top of the world.

Fourth, some people become so medication spellbound that they lose control of themselves and perpetrate horrendously destructive actions. My book opens with the story an otherwise kind and gentle man who became agitated on an antidepressant and drove his car into a policeman to knock him down to get his gun to try to kill himself. In another case, a ten-year-old boy with no history of depression hung himself after taking a prescription stimulant for ADHD. He documented the dreadful unfolding events while speaking in a robotic monotone into his computer.

Psychiatry and Industry of Death

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Leonid Wrote
"I don't really want to comment on all this primordial nonsense. However, it is clear that everybody
who takes this seriously is suffering from severe delusion."

Your version is pretty scary stuff with all the fantasy added to it [something your good at]. I'll just stick with the simple version below.
You might be interested in our free DVDs, as they could help you get your head around the difference between a Disease and Disorder?
[so you don't over prescibe]

You lot did a good job on Micheal Jackson??. Couldn't even handle
a bit of psychosomatic pain, without drugging him to death.
You MAN FROM MUD freaks, have got a lot of catchihing up to do. [Man From MUD - http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n... ]

Free Kit :Psychiatry and Industry of Death
CCHR Free Infomation Kit: CCHR- A Documentary MAKING A KILLING, the untold story of Psychotropic Drugging.
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

Thetan

You are a thetan, a spiritual being (taken from theta, the Greek symbol for thought or life).
Not your eyes, not your brain, but you. You do not have a thetan, something you keep
apart from yourself; you are a thetan. You would not speak of my thetan; you would speak of me.
http://www.scientology.org.nz/...

KevinOwen

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"For your information " Thetan " is just another word for Soul or thought.

The term and concept were introduced by Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, who adopted the Greek letter theta (Θ) to represent "the source of life and life itself".[4] Hubbard first spoke of "theta-beings" in a lecture series of March 1952.[5] He attributed the coining of the word to his wife Mary Sue.[6] As an essential point of Scientology doctrine, a person's identity and self-awareness come entirely from a thetan. It is redundant to refer to "a person's thetan," because the person does not exist independently.[7][8]

Hubbard once defined a thetan as: "... having no mass, no wave-length, no energy, no measurable qualities and no time or location in space except by consideration or postulate. The spirit is not a thing. It is the creator of things."[1] Oddly, in a lecture series later published as a book ("The Phoenix Lectures"), he pointed to a study that implied a thetan manifests a small but measurable amount of mass:

According to Hubbard's son Ronald DeWolf (born L. Ron Hubbard, Jr.), his father stated that thetans are immortal and perpetual, having willed themselves into existence at some point several trillion[11] years ago.[12][13] After they originated, thetans generated "points to view" or "dimension points", causing space to come into existence. They agreed that other thetans' dimension points existed, thus bringing into existence the entire universe. All matter, energy, space, and time exists solely because thetans agree that it exists.

In the primordial past, according to Scientologist teachings, thetans brought the material universe into being largely for their own pleasure.."[14] A Body Thetan is an alien thetan who is "stuck" in, on or near a human body, and all human bodies are said to be covered in these misplaced thetans, or clusters of them. This information is not divulged until a Scientologist reaches the third Operating Thetan level (or OT III). Most Body Thetans were said by Hubbard to be a result of a prehistoric "Incident" involving Xenu, as well as other similar alien occurrences on the whole track "

I don't really want to comment on all this primordial nonsense. However, it is clear that everybody who takes this seriously is suffering from severe delusion.

kill every psychiatrist

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Leonid Wrote
"kill each and every psychiatrist and pharmacist on sight. Such a person has disease and needs treatment."

I hope you don't think we want to kill every psychiatrist etc. We may want to expose their fraudulent practices, legally but we don't
wish them any physical harm.

Are We Being Unkind To Psychiatyrists
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

We—the taxpaying public—have hired just such an expert. He is psychiatry. And he claimed to be the expert who would take care of society's drug problem, crime and violence problem and education problem. He also said he would take care of our mentally ill and cure them. And we have paid him not millions but billions upon billions of dollars to perform these functions.

His results?

In the United States, there has been a more than 370 percent increase in violent crime since 1960. Today, a violent crime is committed every sixteen seconds. 26

The rehabilitation of criminals has become a forgotten dream. Instead, we are building more prisons, knowing that in addition to the new criminals, about 80 percent of the old ones are going to end up back in jail.

Today, drug abuse is ravaging society, particularly our young. The illicit drug trade moves more money through the world than the economy of some nations.

There has been a drop of almost 80 points in SAT scores and more than 90 million Americans, including many high school graduates, are too handicapped by illiteracy to function effectively.

As for mental illness, according to census takers, last century one in a thousand people were mentally ill. After World War II, psychiatrists promoted the figure as 1 in 10. Then we heard that it was 28 percent of the population, and now some psychiatrists say that 50 percent of us are suffering from "mental illness."

Psychiatry is still doing more studies. And still asking for more money. And still promising that the problems will soon be under control.

Unbelievably, governments still fund them.

Difference between disease and disorder.

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For your information " Thetan " is just another word for Soul or thought. Smiling

"Look what has to be done to the true story of Scientology in order to “make it a news story” by modern press standards.
Conflict must be injected where there is none. Therefore the press has to dream up upset and conflict."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n....

I think you need to have another look at the difference between disease and disorder.
What you suggest is a disease is just irrational [insane] behaviour caused by abberation of the mind
and has no genetic or biological cause. It is improved with workable psychotherapy.
One can be hypnotized to carry out such actions, that doesn't mean he has a disease.

Just because a bunch of mad psychiatrists vote that it is a disease may work in your world of fantansy but
when it comes to showing real evidence of a genetic or biological cause, its all cuckoo land stuff.

The Hoax of "Chemical Imbalance"
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurobiological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:
... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...

Difference Between Disease and Disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Psychiatry: No Cures No Science [4 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Psychiatrists openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention that they have no scientific tests to prove
mental illness and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.

KevinOwen

Leonid's picture

Its all just different symptoms of stress from the mind [not the brain]
There is no dichotomy between mind and brain.

"“That’s an extraordinary number of people suffering from an adverse reaction to drugs."
Yes, adverse reaction is a problem, but disease is much bigger problem.

"Well why do you lot bother to write great tombs about it all then."
If you insist to differentiate between disease and disorder I can give you an example. Suppose, one is suffering from a delusion like God, Thetan, global warming or world conspiracy of psychiatrists. But these delusions don't interfere with his daily life activities. He may attend from time to time his Church, or scientological sessions, participate in the Green Party activities and recycle his toilet paper, and tirelessly expose those evil doctors over Net. He even can proselytize from time to time, but he continues to work, maintains normal family and social life and generally doesn't suffer from any major disturbances. This is disorder and such a person doesn't require any treatment. But suppose he decides to burn witches on the stake in the name of Jesus Christ or to commit suicide bombing in the name of Allah or to spend all his wealth on Scientology Church leaving himself and his family totally destitute or to blast the nearest factory which contributes to global warming or to kill each and every psychiatrist and pharmacist on sight. Such a person has disease and needs treatment.

Disease or disorder?

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Leonid Wrote
"If somebody jumped from the 14th floor or murdered all members of his family because voices inside his head told him to do so does it really make a lot of difference to diagnose his condition as disease or disorder? Call it whatever you like- the guy needs treatment."

Well why do you lot bother to write great tombs about it all then. Its all just different symptoms of stress from the mind
[not the brain]

I'd say the guy would had been recieving treatment [ 2yrs?] before he killed his family or when he jumped.
The original complaint was probably just a "sad feeling" before you lot got hold of him.

An incident that comes to mind here in Rotorua after 20yrs of treatment. The son gouged his mother's eyes out.
The next day the Henry Bennett Centre killed him with medications that cause heart attacks.

The DSM: Inventing Mental Illness
http://www.cchr.org/dsm/

24,000 suffer adverse reactions to medicines
http://www.nzdoctor.co.nz/news...
Media release from the Green Party
Over 22,000 New Zealanders suffered adverse reactions to medicines while they were in hospital last year, and a further 1910 experienced adverse reactions to medicines obtained outside of hospitals, according to figures obtained by the Green Party from answers to written questions.
“The high number of New Zealanders being harmed by pharmaceuticals each year shows an urgent need for measures such as electronic prescribing, mandatory reporting of adverse events and much more careful medicines management,” Green Party Health Spokesperson Sue Kedgley says.
Ms Kedgley said these figures did not include the number of people who were given the wrong medication last year, as the Minister of Health had refused to disclose this figure.
“That’s an extraordinary number of people suffering from an adverse reaction to drugs. If 24,000 New Zealanders experienced an adverse reaction to dietary supplements, it would be considered a national scandal,” Ms Kedgley noted.
“We know they are just the tip of the iceberg, because reporting of adverse reactions to medicines is voluntary, not mandatory.
“The 1910 adverse reactions to medicines were reported to the Centre for Adverse Reactions Monitoring. The figure could be considerably higher as reporting to the Centre is voluntary and generally only includes serious reactions from patients.
“Many of these reactions are preventable, and an urgent nationwide strategy is needed to reduce the number of New Zealanders harmed in this way.
“The fact is that pharmaceutical drugs can cause serious harm if they are wrongly prescribed, or if they interact with certain other drugs. We need much more careful medicines management in New Zealand.
“The Green Party strongly supports a move to electronic prescribing in hospitals as one way of reducing medication error. Mandatory reporting and publication of all adverse pharmaceutical events would also enable us to assess trends over time, and focus on hospitals which have particular problems in order to put reliable and effective systems in place,” Ms Kedgley says.
“Other measures needed include greater involvement in medicines management by pharmacists, and a requirement that all medicines sold in New Zealand are accompanied by information about potential side effects and drug interaction. Pharmacists need to be funded to provide medicine management advice to high users of medicines, and an independent consumer information service should be set up.”

Kevin

Leonid's picture

If somebody jumped from the 14th floor or murdered all members of his family because voices inside his head told him to do so does it really make a lot of difference to diagnose his condition as disease or disorder? Call it whatever you like- the guy needs treatment.

Top APA Shrink Needs Lesson in Disease vs. Disorder

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Top APA [American Psychiatric Association] Shrink Needs Lesson in Disease vs. Disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Difference Between Disease and Disorder
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Psychiatry: No Cures No Science [4 mins]
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
Psychiatrists openly admitting at the 2006 APA convention that they have no scientific tests to prove mental illness and have no cures for these unproven mental illnesses.

Kevin

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"Leonid. I couldn't careless if you watched them or not, infact I suggest you don't"
The deal is off,then. Unintentional overdose couldn't be the cause of mass murder that you implicate. I knew in advance that you'll fail to provide any reasonable motive which drive doctors or drug industry to commit all these "horrible crimes" you've described.Even from the sheer commercial point of view that doesn't make any sense to the industry or doctors to kill their clients. This is the weak point of all conspiracy theories-from alien invasion to protocols of Zion's elders to scientology-lack of the rational motive. You just confirmed the nature of your allegations-paranoid conspiracy theory.

Medical Boards

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Leonid. I couldn't careless if you watched them or not, infact I suggest you don't, it might be to much truth for you to handle. The treatments don't work mate. Thats world news, not my opinion. Giving people drugs that kill them or put them to sleep, may not always be intentional and many doctors like the one that put the Iraq Vet to sleep maybe trying to help with all he's got but from where I'm sitting he murdered the Iraq Vet and should be hung out to dry [manslaughter]. He didn't know how to help the vet, other than to eventually drug him to death.

The health system has been using unworkable, dangerous practices, at tax payers expense for decades.

ELECTRIC SHOCK TREATMENT
PAIN AND FRAUD IN THE
NAME OF THERAPY

"Electric shock should not be
available as a choice just as
thalidomide is not available to
pregnant woman. After fifty
years of practicing this hoax,
psychiatrists are not likely
to suddenly agree that it is
harmful. As soon as they do,
they know there would be a
rush of criminal and civil suits from
which they would never recover.
Governments should outlaw it."

Dr. Michael Chavin

Antipsychotics: Doctors 'conned' by drug industry
08 January 2009

Doctors and psychiatrists have been conned by the drug industry to prescribe new, or second-generation, antipsychotics for problems such as schizophrenia, two leading specialists have claimed.

The new generation of drugs, known as atypicals, were heralded as safer and more effective than the earlier antipsychotics, and for the past 20 years doctors have been ‘beguiled’ into thinking they were superior.

The claims come from Peter Tyrer and Tim Kendall from Imperial College London [psychiatrists] as a commentary on a new study that assessed the effectiveness of nine second-generation antipsychotics against earlier, typical antipsychotic drugs.

The study, conducted by Munich University, found that the second-generation drugs were not even a new class of drug at all, but were a hotchpotch made up from ingredients used in the earlier drugs. They certainly weren’t more effective or safer.

In their commentary, Tyrer and Kendall say: “The spurious invention of the atypicals can now be regarded as invention only, cleverly manipulated by the drug industry for marketing purposes and only now being exposed.”

Source: http://www.wddty.com/033638003...

Deal?

Leonid's picture

"If you looked at the DVD there are 20 plus psychiatrists on it demonizing the whole industry. Maybe you should try and convince them of its workability."

Here is a deal, Kevin. I will watch all your DVDs if you will be able to explain the motive which drives all these malicious doctors and pharmaceutical companies to overdrug and kill their patients. Please note: motives as greed, love for money as root of all evil and other altruist-Christian bromides will not do. You have to be creative.

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KevinOwen's picture

Leonid Wrote
"With modern treatment of psychotrops which you try to demonize and eliminate they would be out of hospital in days or maybe weeks and would be able to live normal or almost normal live as millions of mentally ill people do today. If that what you resent please say it openly."

Its already been world news that their workability is no more than placebo effect and probably less when you take into account side effects. If thats all modern medicine disguised as science can come up with, we are in big trouble, which we are. Maybe they will work better on dogs. I hear they have doggie antidepressants now.

If you looked at the DVD there are 20 plus psychiatrists on it demonizing the whole industry. Maybe you should try and convince them of its workability.

A young man I knew had his meds changed. A week later he gouged his mothers eyes out and beat her. She has false ones now. He was sent to the Henry Bennett Centre where they put him on more drugs [side effects heart attacks] The next day he died of a heart attack, in the Henry Bennett Mental Health Centre. Is that the modern treatment your talking about???

Injured troops increasingly turning to prescription medication
http://www.rutlandherald.com:8... ... 827/FEAT...
August 27, 2008
By DAVID OLINGER and ERIN EMERY The Denver Post

In the last six months of his life, Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz tried 23 different prescription medications to relieve the pain of war.

He came home from his second tour of Iraq suffering from combat stress, a traumatic brain injury and relentless back pain.

Army doctors prescribed a treatment that included 15 different painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs, plus antidepressants, muscle relaxants and a blood-pressure medicine. The last two medications — morphine plus methadone — were prescribed on a Friday afternoon.

"He was in bad pain," said his wife, Renea. "When they put him on the methadone, we both freaked because all we knew was that it was for heroin addicts. We didn't know anything else. His neurologist said, 'Oh, no, this is used for long-term pain, and he should do fine.'"

That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up. The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication.

Kevin

Leonid's picture

"Just to show you there's no hard feelings, would you like a complimentary copy of our lastest DVD"

Thank you, Kevin. But no. If I'd like to watch horror movie based on conspiracy theory I'd rather watch "X-files". However as reciprocal courtesy I can also recommend to you to watch 2 good movies: "Beautiful mind" and "Shine". These two movies describe real sad story of two brilliant men, one was mathematical genius and another outstanding pianist who became victims of mental illness about 60 years ago. The psychopharmacology didn't exist by that time and these two men had to spend years in mental institutions. With modern treatment of psychotrops which you try to demonize and eliminate they would be out of hospital in days or maybe weeks and would be able to live normal or almost normal live as millions of mentally ill people do today. If that what you resent please say it openly.

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KevinOwen's picture

William Wrote:
"Leonid, granted that Kevin is malicious -- but I think this is a malice that accompanies stupidity and cognitive dissonance."

Leonid, I think your being a bit hard on me, remember, I'm just a retard and I'm all caught up in this stuff. I'm just an unthinking victim, so show some pity ah??

Just to show you there's no hard feelings, would you like a complimentary copy of our lastest DVD
You can watch it on-line if you like?

CCHR- A Documentary MAKING A KILLING,
the untold story of Psychotropic Drugging.

Part 1-10
1 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
2 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
3 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
4 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
5 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
6 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
7 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
9 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...
10 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

Comments on viva Zyprexa

Leonid's picture

1."Off-label prescribing (prescribing a medication for a condition it isn’t approved for) is common in practice and medications may be used without a specific FDA indication, including in pharmaceutical cocktails. Some patients benefit from off-label drug uses, and indeed in treatment refractory cases off-label prescribing is necessary ...However, mass marketing off-label uses by manufacturers is dangerous and illegal." This statement defeats common sense.If such a practice is common and patients benefit from it,then why its marketing is dangerous and illegal?

2."Lilly is the defendant in class action lawsuits from patients who developed type 2 diabetes associated with weight gain, settling 8,000 cases last year"

How the causal link has been established? If Lilly took more that 40% of the psychiatric market, then the number of the patients who received Zyprexa should be over million. 8000 patients represent 0.8% ( 8 out of 1000) of them. Incidence of diabetes in USA is 65 out of 1000, therefore in million people you will find 65000 cases of diabetes without any use of Zyprexa. Even if not every case of Zyprexa-induced diabetes has been reported 8000 cases represent only small fracture of diabetes incidence in the general population. I viewed few articles on pubmed which support the claim :
" Twenty-eight patients meeting the criteria for a diagnosis of schizophrenic disorder according to ICD-10 were assigned to monotherapy with olanzapine, clozapine, quetiapine, amisulpride, ziprasidone or risperidone. The levels of glucose and lipid metabolism were assessed before and after 28 days of treatment. RESULTS: Based on cluster analysis, olanzapine and clozapine were found to constitute a high-risk group for metabolic dysregulation while amisulpride, quetiapine, risperidone and ziprasidone could be assigned to a non-high-risk group." Note that this study was done AFTER Lilly " guilt" has been "proven" by the process of litigation. Consider study's methodology-28 patients have been given monotherapy of 6 drugs, means 4,7 patients in each group. Do you think, one can derive any significant conclusion from such a small study? Note, that no P value ( degree of statistical significance of result) has been quoted in the abstract.Another study indicated that "Cumulative olanzapine dose was also significantly associated with weight gain (P<0.0001). Approximately 60% of completers of the 12-week trial experienced clinically significant weight gain (> or =7% of baseline weight). Such a moderate weght gain could be easily treated with propriate diet and exercise program. Another study shows " The findings of significant relationships between treatment-emergent weight gain and improvements in clinical and functional status at 6-weeks suggest that patients who have greater treatment-emergent weight gain are more likely to benefit from treatment with olanzapine or haloperidol"-meaning patient with moderate weight gain benefit fron treatment. Consider moderate weight gain as result of cease of smoking. Would it make sense to sue doctors or nicorette producers for that? The benifit is much bigger then possible damage.

3. "James B. Gottstein, the lawyer who leaked the documents to the Times, is a longtime advocate and president/VP of five consumer/survivor activist organizations and on the board of additional antipsychiatry interests who deny the effectiveness of medication in treating mental illnesses."-
He belongs to the same people as Kevin and company. They will use any excuse, no matter how absurd, to turn psychiatry from science to witch doctory-as it used to be 100 years ago,so they can treat patients by means of scientology, or any other mystical rituals.

4."Forced drugging is a contentious issue involving cognitive liberty and human rights activists, people with schizophrenia who won’t believe they are ill (or celebrate it) and refuse medication"- by definition schizophrenia is a disease in which a person has impaired cognitive facilities and therefore cannot make rational judgment about his condition. Such a person has to be treated against his wil, since he cannot exercise his will and his rational faculty (like small child). " Human rights" activists know that very well. They simply deny the fact that man is rational being.

5."Lilly's guilty plea agreement (PDF) filed in federal court January 14th of this year, in which it agrees to charges of mislabeling, and to pay criminal penalties and forfeitures of 615 million dollars"- according to another report, Lilly agreed to pay in order to avoid lenghty and costly process but denied any wrongdoing.

6. I think that whole story has been blown out of proportion by "human right" activists and unscrupuloused lawyers. What was needed is simply to draw doctors' attention to possible side effects instead to punish the company

Viva Zyprexa!

William Scott Scherk's picture

I don't know how to proceed in the Zyprexa discussion with you, Leonid, since it seems you have made only a cursory internet search and are not yet willing to challenge your initial impressions or your own biases.

With respect, I suggest again that you use the tools of Pubmed** -- please consider that you may be wrong in your stance on the history of the drug, its demonstrated and acknowledged adverse effects, early research findings, labeling errors, fraudulent marketing campaigns, suppression of internal company safety findings, and general inability of drug companies to do wrong . . . (see Vioxx for contraindications).

If your own research shows that Lilly suppressed or downplayed internal findings of serious adverse effects of its drug -- and that it aggressively marketed off-label use to GPs for non-psychotic populations† -- you may revise your opinions.

If your perusal of internal Lilly documents shows you that Lilly marketed Zyprexa as safe -- while knowing it was not, you may find your initial impressions are incorrect.


WSS

_____________________________

** If you need some help navigating Pubmed, please contact me offline.

† "Viva Zyprexa!" -- a 2001 marketing campaign that targetted elderly dementia patients. See the PsychCentral article here.

Addendum -- see also Lilly's guilty plea agreement (PDF) filed in federal court January 14th of this year, in which it agrees to charges of mislabeling, and to pay criminal penalties and forfeitures of 615 million dollars (this is separate from the billion plus dollars it was assessed in the consolidated civil suits).

[Edited for clarity and additional links]

William

Leonid's picture

"don't really understand your rhetorical gambits ("all medical community is corrupted to the core" -- "
If many thousands of doctors used harmful Zyprexa on the millions of patients for more than 10 years that could mean only two things: or all these doctors simply ignored side effects of the drug and hence they are all corrupt, or Zyprexa doesn't have any significant side effects. Since it has been establish by litigation process (not by scientific research) that Zyprexa is harmful, all medical profession is corrupt. The profit motive is main culprit in this litigation. Many drugs have serious side effects-for example antiretroviral drugs or drugs used for chemotherapy, but I never heard about any class action against their producers. Off-label use is normal practice. The use of the drug should be doctors' responsibility and distinction, not the State's. Zyprexa may cause hyperglycemia in some cases, and Aspirin which you take for headache can cause lethal gastric bleeding. The question is how often it's happening? For this question I couldn't find an answer so I cannot relate to the charge of downplay of diabetes risk. My general impression that whole idea of this and other similar class actions wasn't to compensate people who did developed side effect. That would be right and just, in case Lilly failed to warn the users about side effects.( I doubt it very much. Go and buy any medicine, you will see a long list of side effects written on it, including very rare)But that could be done on individual, case by case level. It seems to me that an idea is to litigate whole industry out of existence. You should know that drugs production is expensive and risky business. In spite meticulous and lengthy research sometimes side effects discovered only after years of drug's use. If this kind of litigation will become a norm, no pharmaceutical company will invest in the research and production of the new drugs. And that exactly what Kevin and Company want

Zyprexa, diabetes, and lawsuits

William Scott Scherk's picture

Thanks for your response, Leonid. I suggest you do a Pubmed search for the evidence of Zyprexa's side-effects -- note especially the work from 1999 - 2002, and note also the Japanese response to the findings of olanzapine's risks.

The major issue in the suits, of course, is that Lilly downplayed the risks and promoted off-label uses.

Your point 2 with regard to Risperidal and Seroquel is irrelevant to the Lilly settlement -- the science is simply not supportive of the same charges of cupidity.

I don't really understand your rhetorical gambits ("all medical community is corrupted to the core" -- "doctors and pharmaceutical companies shouldn't be driven by profit motive" -- "pharmaceutical company finances scientific research-this is hideous crime of kickback"). This doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

NAMI was a direct beneficiary of Lilly donations . . . was there a quid pro quo if/when NAMI promoted Zyprexa's off-label use and downplayed the diabetes risks? If so, then it can be argued that there was a conflict of interest.

I read an undertone of incredulity -- please correct me if I am mistaken, but in the two paragraphs you seem to be claiming that Lilly did no wrong, and that the suits against it are without foundation. Is that what you believe?

Your argument also seems to be that Zyprexa does not have a serious side-effect of inducing hyperglycemia -- because you have not yet found the studies that prove the side-effect.

I won't comment on the idea that the first motive of a doctor is to profit -- beyond saying that I don't think that is the impression you meant to leave.



WSS

William

Leonid's picture

"What do you say, Leonid, to the suit?"

Point1: Every drug has side-effects. The crucial question is what the incidence of these side effects is. Is it every patient, who receives the drug, develops them, or one out of ten, hundreds, thousands, millions? I went through numerous articles, published on the Net and I couldn't find one single figure which would clarify this matter. I understood that Zyprexa was widely used. "Zyprexa was the leading antipsychotic in the world in 2000, capturing nearly 40% of the global antipsychotic market. A year later, Zyperexa was the sixth highest selling pharmaceutical product in the world, with $3.2 billion in sales." 40% of global market means millions of patients. How many of them developed diabetes or overweight? How it was proved that these conditions are related to Zyprexa and not to other drugs-psychotic patients usually receive more than one medication. How many new cases of diabetes and overweight represent natural history of patient's disease? No answer is given. Remember, that these two conditions are very common. More than 50% of Western population is suffering from these conditions. I think it would be extremely difficult to find scientific evidence which would prove causal link between this drug and obesity/diabetes. Apparently drug's side effect wasn't reason, but rather excuse for such an aggressive campaign. After all, antiretroviral drugs have much more serious and common side effects and some of them are lethal, but no body instituted class action against their producers. So what was real Lilly's crime? And that lead us to the point 2.

Point 2
“McGrath said the companies “successfully deceived physicians, citizen-users and others in the medical community” about the safety of these drugs compared to other antipsychotic drugs in order to carve out a greater market share. This false promotion of these two atypical antipsychotic drugs have led to some Montanans who faced “serious injuries, illnesses, diseases or death,” McGrath said. He said the two companies illegally marketed and promoted Risperdal and Seroquel for uses not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration, including treatment of dementia, sleep disorders, depression, attention deficit disorder, autism, depression, mood disorders and others."

Consider this claim. Drug was used for 12 years on millions of patients; it was prescribed by tens of thousands of physicians who observed their patients and effects of the drug for many years. So Lilly Company managed to fool all these doctors and patients? That implies that all medical community is corrupted to the core and all millions of patients and their relatives are plain stupid. Do you really believe that? I doubt. The real crime is that "two companies illegally marketed and promoted Risperdal and Seroquel for uses not approved by the U.S. Food and Drug Administration". Nanny State which knows better that medical doctors how to use the drug, didn’t give its holy blessing! This is unforgivable crime. What was another? Profit motive! This one is even worse. In our altruistic society doctors and pharmaceutical companies shouldn't be driven by profit motive. How they are going to survive to provide people with treatments which make life long and pleasant? Some how.
Point 3. "The U.S. Department of Health and Human Services Office of the Inspector General issued a report in 2002 warning that cozy financial relationships between non-profit advocacy groups and pharmaceutical companies – such as the one between NAMI and Lilly – which result in the generation of revenue for the pharmaceutical companies, could be considered illegal under the federal anti-kickback statute."
When pharmaceutical company finances scientific research-this is hideous crime of kickback. When Nanny State does the same using taxpayers money to finance FDA research- this is right and noble. Why? Because it is for public.
Do you see now that the whole story is simply "Atlas Shrugged" sequel? As David Kelley said “We don't have to make AS movie. We already are living in it."

Grave mistakes

William Scott Scherk's picture

Leonid, granted that Kevin is malicious -- but I think this is a malice that accompanies stupidity and cognitive dissonance.

He is trapped in the Scientology system, which allows for no corrections but those mandated by the crazy people in command . . . for a stupid footsoldier like Kevin, there is no choice but to demonize critics, and to follow the edicts of the demented leadership. He knows no other way to reduce the clang of disconfirming evidence. He has no training in or interest in thinking, reasoning, 0r independent means of arriving at facts. He doesn't understand hypothesis testing, confirmation bias, nor does he know how to use any of the sharp tools in reason's kit . . .

Stupidity and malice, along with cupidity -- these qualities also accompany a few of the dullards who posted to the original Yahoo thread on atypical antipsychotics. Mamma Twinkle may be the only person without significant mental defects in the chain of unreason that led to Kevin's spam to SOLO.

It's like the story said "Cabbages Cause Cancer!" -- but Kevin returns with a story that says "Scientology Says Brussels Sprouts Should be Jailed!"

He did not comprehend any of the material. He only felt it push his button. The button marked "Enemies of Scientology."

[for a truly sad/funny performance, one has to repair to the Debating Chamber discussion. There, Kevin is told, in effect, "Kevin, you are spamming this list, posting unattributed and copyright-protected stories without comment. If you continue to do this, most people here will ignore your threads and posts." In response, Kevin merely posted more of the same. This is a deeply troubled, extremely unreflective action. Kevin appears mentally handicapped, and the other list members sweep him into the Kook Bin. These are, presumably, Scientologists themselves. If they can't stand Kevin's wall-eyed fuckwit actions, what hope has he anywhere?]

Kevin, since he is trapped in the bubble of Scientology, cannot surmount his native handicaps. If he could, he might have asked this list what it thought of the settlement of Lilly's Zyprexa suit.

What sticks out for me is that none of the other idiots and axe-grinders and bug-eyed zealots on the AA list followed the story in the Times. They didn't post the results of the suit, they didn't post the details of the settlement. They simply ranted on in all directions.

As for criminalizing doctoring . . . sure, that is Scientology's aim, if by doctoring they mean mental doctoring. But if one separates out the ludicrous science-fiction aspects of Kevin's church, and the one-eyed monomania of kooks like Golinsky and Harshan, one is still left with a few problems in the testing, delivery, marketing and consumer safety record of the big pharmas. Surely, they were all too fixed on their own bêtes noires, but the Zyprexa issues remain.

What do you say, Leonid, to the suit?

Probably, like me, you are disappointed that profit motives trumped the higher motive that drives medicine (in this case). You may also hate that some doctors take their prescription cues from marketing campaigns.

At the heart, Kewin's religiosity, social retardation and mental handicaps means that he is not able to understand the underlying issues. It also means he has no solutions at hand besides the galactic dementia of his cult.

Kevin Owen reminds me of a cruel joke I have heard:

Awkward child in hockey-helmet:
Mommy, mommy! A new little boy moved in next door and he wears a hockey-helmet just like me and his mom calls him 'special' . . . am I special, mommy?

Mother::
No, Kevin, you are retarded.

WSS

William

Leonid's picture

I think, it is a grave mistake to describe Kevin as just innocent sloppy spammer. He is much more vicious than that.
There are many things which are lacking in our life. Regulations are not one of them. Medical profession and pharmaceutical industry are heavy regulated and under constant supervision of different counsels, committees, peer-reviews etc...etc...etc...If I, by mistake, give wrong prescription, the pharmacist will phone me immediately to clarify my script. Medical profession has its share of sadists and criminals for sure (although, I think, less then others). Does it mean that whole profession should be criminalized? Would you like to live in the world, in which doctors could be jailed because someone, as Kevin, who has no clue about medical treatment, may think that doctors abuse patients with drugs? Which doctor will bother to take care on you under such a condition? Can you see know the trend, the intention of Kevin, Sankar, Golinsky and thousands of other crusaders of Anti-Industrial, Anti-Scientific revolution? They don't want to prevent "abuses". They want to eradicate the modern medicine as such and to replace it with their witch-doctory, psychosomatic treatment, scientology, homeopathy, reflexology, aromatotherapy, shamanism, mysticism.
I do live in Africa, our witch-doctors' paradise. 90% of population are treated by Kevin's type "doctors" As result, the women's pregnancy-related mortality is 300 (three hundred!) times higher than in industrial World and life expectancy is barely reaching 45 years. Most of the people die early and painful death. Those, who do come to medical attention after long period of treatment by witch doctors, are in such a neglected condition, that often modern medicine cannot offer to them much help. I don't blame them, they don't know any better. But Kevin, Sankar and company who do, and in spite it, drug the modern World back to the mystical swamp of misery and suffering, are committing hideous crime. We cannot jail them. But we should expose and fight them.

Kevin

Leonid's picture

Why should I squeal? If anything, I may laugh to death, while watching how your paranoid ideas are duscussed seriously. In any case you haven't answered my question, leaving it to William. Anyway, I don't mind if you or your kind want to be called "doctor". Just don't forget to add prefix "witch" to avoid misleading.

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KevinOwen's picture

Thanks William, for your expertise and criticism. Maybe Leonid could fax you that free script? It's good to see him squealing.

Copying and posting, Scientologist style . . .

William Scott Scherk's picture

Leonid, Kevin Owen's sloppy habits gave the impression he claims to be a doctor. He is not. An originating post from Mama Suntwinkle appeared on the Atypical Antipsychotics Yahoo group, touting a press release from the Alliance for Human Research Protection, under the subject header of 'Zyprexa Whistleblower Settlement $1.4 Billion; Lilly to Plead Guilty.' An interesting post that detailed the New York Times report of Eli Lilly's looming settlement of a civil lawsuit . . .

Then someone named Harsha Sankar wrote "Doctors who abusively drug patients should be instead criminally prosecuted."

Then Anna Golinsky added her comment: "You are absolutely right. Unless Doctors are put in jails together with street drug dealers nothing will change."

Then someone called LC Agee appended the comment about being a doctor . . . and the USSR references.

Then our dear doltish Kevin copied and pasted a portion of Agee's post to the New Zealand list 'NZ Centre for Political Research Debating Chamber.' Apparently Kevin is well-known there as a spammer, though not a shill for Scientology.

Finally, Kevin posted the exact same post to SOLO, of course missing the original story, poster, and all subsequent commentators' identities. In the process of his spammery, the different comments were melded together.

Too bad, the original story was worthy of note, and tends to underline one of Kevin's legitimate concerns about drug company shenanigans.

Kevin, do the Debating Chamber folk know you are a shill for Scientology miracle cures, as well as a slophound and a spammer?

Please be more careful in your posting.

You fucktard.

WSS

Kevin

Leonid's picture

"Doctors, like myself"-are you medical doctor, Kevin? Do you have MD or any degree at all? BTW, I see that you expanded your conspiracy list by including politicians and lawyers.What will be the end? I know , you are spectical about psychiatry, but paranoia is a treatable condition, maybe you should give to it a try. I can fax to you a script for free.

Medical boards

KevinOwen's picture

I took this from one of the mailing lists I'm on. Maybe the medical model [psychiatry] is as big a con as the rehabilitation of criminals is???

Quote:
You are absolutely right. Unless Doctors are put in jails together with street drug dealers nothing will change. They must be degraded to street criminals because that is what they are! Most of the time worse.

Doctors, like myself, who stand up and question the legitimacy of psychiatry are put out of business by the medical boards. At least, this is what they do in California. This way, the doctors in each state are 100% pro psychiatry. The people they put on the medical boards are 100% pro psychiatry. What I observed in California is this: if you are a doctor and express skepticism at psychiatry, the medical board can force the doctor/licensee to visit a psychiatrist to "rule out mental illness." If they refuse to go and pay the $2000 fee, they are presumed "mentally ill" by default, and put out of business by taking away their license. This does away with any physician skeptic. "The people" have no say in who gets on these medical boards. I guess they are appointed by some politician, and as we all know, 99.9% of politicians are pro psychiatry. The only thing a doctor can do is challenge such a decision in a court of law. This requires spending "10s of thousands of dollars" to hire a lawyer (who are 99.9% pro psychiatry) and then relying on a judge to over rule a medical board, which they never do. As we all know, judges are basically 100% pro psychiatry. The doctors who are put out of business by this method get little public support. They are discarded, their careers are ruined and thus they are silenced. Sort of like they used to do in the old USSR.

Treatment may erase traumatic memories ???????????????

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Treatment may erase traumatic memories
Possible drug could help ease certain disorders
http://www.chron.com/disp/stor...

By DENISE GELLENE Los Angeles Times

Oct. 24, 2008, 11:53PM
Scientists have succeeded in permanently erasing frightening memories in mice, an early step toward the development of treatments for people haunted by traumas they can't forget.
According to a study in the journal Neuron this week, researchers genetically manipulated the brains of mice to overproduce a key enzyme that appeared selectively to wipe memories from the animals' brains.

The enzyme, calcium/calmodulin protein kinase II also is present in humans, making it a possible target for a drug to treat post-traumatic stress syndrome and other psychological disorders, scientists said.

According to the report, researchers from the Medical College of Georgia and East China Normal University in Shanghai trained the mice to associate environmental cues — a specific tone and cage — with an electric shock, and then looked to see what the animals remembered.

Ordinary mice will learn to freeze in fear when confronted with those cues. The engineered animals, however, did not show fear when they were placed in the cage or heard the tone, a sign they did not remember those things meant a shock was coming.

To find out whether the memory loss was permanent, researchers gave the mice a drug that, in effect, reduced the amount of the enzyme to normal levels.

The animals still didn't freeze when they heard the tone or saw the cage.

In a series of subsequent experiments, researchers discovered that they selectively could erase fearful memories related to the electric shocks while leaving other recollections.

Study author Joe Tsien, a neuroscientist at the Medical College of Georgia, cautioned that formidable obstacles stood in the way of translating the research into a human drug. The genetic engineering technique used in the mice cannot be used in people, he said.

Teen Suicide Rates Falling

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September 5th, 2008 By: Amanda Allen
http://www.krextv.com/modules/...

Medical Researchers say the number of teen suicides across the nation are falling.

One reason for the decline may be recent drug scares deterring teens from using antidepressants. Black box warnings from the FDA have lead to the decline of teens using antidepressants following reports of the drugs increasing suicidal tendencies.

While teen suicide rates are on the decline, experts say they're still disturbingly high. Mesa County's teen suicide rates have also steadlidly decreased, but experts say it's still to early to know why. Linwood says in some instances antidepressants can be more helpful than harmful. Supporters of the drugs say their benefits, including treating depression that can lead to suicide, outweigh their risks.

Mike Sabin And Methcon

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"MethCon Group is a specialist company which provides drug education, advice and specific training programmes relating to methamphetamine and other addictive drugs, to businesses, government departments, schools and communities across New Zealand (see How We Can Help)"
http://www.methcon.co.nz/

I heard on the radio this morning that Mike Sabin of Methcon has stated that the way to handle drugs is to reduce the demand for supply. To me that means rehab and education, on a country wide scale, that works. I checked his website out and he does give links to medical rehabilitation [drug addiction is a disease]. He doesn't offer any rehab programs himself, having no training in the field.

Rehab Fraud
Psychiatry's Drug Scam
Report and recommendations on
methadone and other disastrous psychiatric
drug 'rehabilitation' programs
http://www.mental-health-abuse...

“It is very important to understand one thing about much of the drug rehabilitation field today. Our hope of a cure for drug addiction was not lost. It was buried by an avalanche of psychiatry’s false information and false solutions. Drug addiction is not a disease. Real solutions do exist.”
— Jan Eastgate, President, Citizens Commission on Human Rights

"Kevin Owens wants governmental backing!

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"Kevin Owens wants governmental backing! He wants prisons to pay him to talk to inmates, and government to pay him to talk to lonely people."

It may pay to learn something about the program before you comment on it. Talking [counselling] to the inmates is what the failed psych programs do [85% re-offending rate]. On our program the inmates are trained to help each other, and then run the program themselves, which would make all psych counselling obsolete.

Penal Rehab
http://www.penalrehab.org

4330 Reads Good to see the Scientology Bashers alive and well.

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Where would objectivists be without Pigmy and sckeek protecting them from the evil cult???

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short, sweet and stupid.

The true story Of Scientology
By L.Ron.Hubbard

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

The simpleton's simpleton of Haupapa Street, Bay of Plenty

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Mindy notes the thrust of wee pixie quack Kevin Owen: if only he can get some government somewhere to pay out for the bogus Criminon program, his cult can make more money.

Kevin is actually too stupid and incorrigible for the Church to promote up in the hierarchy. My moles in the Church report that Kevin has not made it beyond the lowest level of Bridge, and that his value to the money-grubbers is as an inductor alone. How many has he inducted into the cult? Two, according to the records kept in Auckland.

In any case, the Guardian's Office is well aware of Kevin's efforts to boost/hack/snuggle with the Libertarianz, but considers it unlikely to bear fruit, since the Libnz have no money themselves.

It is funny to see such an illiterate wanker as a front line worker of the mighty Church, but I guess they take what they can get. It bears mentioning that the content of the auditing sessions Kevin performs are not confidential . . . in other words, if you are stupid enough to pay for a session with him, every item in your file is transferred to the Org, and can be used against you at any time.

This is probably why Kevin will say nothing whatsoever about what he actually does in his creepy auditing activities on behalf of the Church. Even he knows that sharing confidential information can get him in hot water. Too bad Kevin does not note his Church affiliation when posting his bumf to New Zealand business sites. How ethical.

Interested in having Kevin collect confidential personal information from you to pass onto to the Church? He's waiting for your call . . .

Interested in the many illnesses that Kevin can help eradicate? Here's his position on arthritis:

Consiousness then depends upon the absence or the nullification or eredication of memories of physical pain, for unconsiousness is a part of that pain- one of its symptoms Arthrittis of the knee, for instance, is the acummulation of all knee injures in the past. The Body confuses time and environment with the time and environment what the knee was actually injured and so keeps the pain in there.

The fluids of the body avoid the pain area, hence a deposit which is called arthrittis The proof of this is that when the knee injuries of the past are located and dischargeed, the arthrittis ceases, no other injury takes it's place and the person is finished with arthrittis of the knee. And this happens ten cases out of ten-except in those cases where age and physical deteriororation are so well advonced toward death that the point of no return is passed.
[no link to the charlatan's site, sorry]

WSS

Very, very interesting!!

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Kevin Owens wants governmental backing! He wants prisons to pay him to talk to inmates, and government to pay him to talk to lonely people. I think I'm beginning to understand. Doesn't change the ugliness of the picture, but it makes Owens a simpler simpleton.

 

--Mindy

Libertarianz HEALTH

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HEALTH
"Libertarianz will end socialised medicine. We will progressively remove the state from all involvement in medicine, allowing providers of all forms of prevention, treatment and therapy to compete in an open market. 'Die-while-you-wait' government hospitals will be given back to their communities (in the same way as state schools) to administer as they choose. Tax relief will leave money in your pocket to spend for your own family's health care as you see fit."

Are you deliberately trying to get rid of all psychiatrists and psychologists, because that's what this policy would do, as no one but the state would pay for their HELP??
John Kirwan might [He is a public figure in New Zealand for the awareness of mental illness, due to suffering depression.]

PSYCHIATRIC DIAGNOSIS
MANUFACTURING MADNESS

Webster's [dictionary] defines fiction as "anything
made up or imagined. "Anyone reviewing psychiatry's
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) and
the mental health section of' the International
Classification of Diseases (ICD: tenth version)
would find it difficult to place it in, any other
category. They are literally psychiatry's "bible"
of invented mental illnesses. Of course, psychiatry
will protest that they do not invent the behaviors
defined. And this is true the behaviors are often
observable. However psychiatry's unscientific and
arbitrary bundling together of behaviors and
emotions under the fraudulent tag of "mental
illness" is pure fabrication - calculated to further
the myth of mental illness and precipitate a Mental
Health State.

For more information contact:
Citizen's Commission on Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09-3733897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.psychcrime.org
http://www.cchr.org

Massive, Harmful Psychiatric Drugging of Alaskan Children

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PsychRights Sues State of Alaska to Stop Its Massive, Harmful Psychiatric Drugging of Alaskan Children

http://psychrights.org/PR/0809...

Dr. Karen Effrem, pediatrician and board member of the Alliance for Human Research Protection (AHRP) and the International Center for the Study of Psychiatry and Psychology (ICSPP), said, "These dangerous and ineffective drugs are tragically overused to merely control behavior of children who are distraught about being taken away from their families. Missing one’s family or reacting to trauma are wrongly labeled as biological brain disorders that need treatment with powerful medications. Drugs will not put their families back together or help them overcome their trauma and grief. These brain and body damaging pharmaceuticals compound the abuse and trauma. To paraphrase a popular motivational saying, what these kids truly need are 'hugs, not drugs; hope not dope,' (even legal dope)"

Warning to newcomers

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Kevin Owen's claims are anathema to Objectivism. His posts are advertisements for the "Church of Scientology."

 

Physical Healing Versus Psychosomatic Healing

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Leonod Wrote
"His theory of painful memories as cause of psychosomatic diseases has no scientific basis and represents simplistic pseudo-Freudian approach which modern science abandoned long time ago."

The reason science abandoned it was because they couldn't work it out. From that period, nearly all research has been addressed to treating the physical body [cells] or the symptoms [illnesses] with physical treatments [drugs, electric shock treatment, chemotherapy, surgery, etc]. All research in the future by this ideology will be of the same level, even though the promise of the magic bullet [pill or drug] is rampant without much evidence and at vast expense to the tax payer.

The piece below is from the Forward in the Book,
"The Fundamentals Of Thought". If you read it,
remember you were the one that decided to, I didn't force you to. You have the ability to accept it, comment on it, or reject it, without flying into a schizophrenic episode.

Fundamentals Of Thought

Forward

This Thin Book is a summation, if brief, of the results of
fifty thousand years of thinking men. Their materials, researched and capped by a quarter of a century of original search by L.Ron Hubbard, have bought the humanities, so long out distanced by the "exact sciences" into a state of equality, if not superiority,to physics, chemistry and mathematics.
Mr Hubbard, an American, studied nuclear physics at George Washington University in Washington, DC, before he started his studies about the mind, spirit and life. This explains the mathematical precision of the Scientology Religion.
What has been attempted by a thousand universities and foundations, at a cost of billions has been completed quietly here.
This is how life works. This is how you change men and women and children for the better.

A Paper On The Difficulties Of Researching In The Humanities
http://freedom.lronhubbard.org...

For about thirty-eight years at this writing (1969) I have been engaged upon basic research into life and the humanities. This is basic or pure research and has the same genus as the effort of the early philosophers—to attempt to establish the identity of life as independent from matter and as associated with the material world and forms, which subjects are embraced by basic and developed sciences. The difference is that the research has been done from the viewpoint of scientific methodology in which I am trained.

William Sckeck a staunch objectivist

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What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?

What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?
http://www.jeffcomp.com/faq/wr...

by Chris Wolf

Why do so many Objectivists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by Objectivism?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Objectivists, is not supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Objectivism. However such behavior is personally supported and advocated by Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of misapplication of the fundamental principles of Objectivism. (If you think it's impossible for the originator of a philosophy to misapply it; think again.)

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Objectivism, or the Objectivist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Objectivism and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Objectivism, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

For those unwilling to discuss

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Mindy asks a fair question of our healing sprite, Kevin Owen: why does he post here if he doesn't care to discuss anything?

For a simple fellow, a troubling answer. Kevin posts here because he thinks it might somehow bring him personal benefit.

On the face of it, a putative Objectivist discussion site is hardly the place to advertize the wares of Scientology. Not only do Objectivists and their rational allies dismiss Scientology as a commercial cult, but the whole suite of religious mumbo-jumbo just doesn't get any traction among the readership. Engrams as 'body memories,' allowing the auditor to access repressed memories? No thanks. A crude galvanometer that can pinpoint 'enturbulations'? No, don't buy it. An entity called a 'thetan' that is an ageless soul? Nope. An illiterate pixie with subnormal cognitive gifts as gifted healer? Cough.

But this doesn't matter. The hit-meter inches up, and Kevin can convince himself he is part of the forward march of the church.

By his non-answer to Mindy's query, we get scant, oblique clues to Kevin's cogitations -- along with the misspellings and fractured grammar. He posts the summary total of the 'reads' to date, and presumes that many of the readers clamour to sample from his therapeutic wares -- or that the hundreds of reads herald a keen interest in the claims and boasts of his church.

Not so. Most of the reads are by Kevin's critics, and by those who are curious about his latest adventures with the English language. All previous efforts to engage Kevin in a normal critical discussion have foundered. There is no evidence of good faith participation. Even a dull monkey like Kevin will garner a few passersby, some hoping he will eat a banana or show cute, human-like qualities.

Kevin may claim, fraudulently, that "Restless Leg Syndrome, Shingles, Parkinson's Disease, Dyslexia" and other conditions will respond to the spooky, pseudoscientific tripe of auditing thetan engrams, but we notice that he brings absolutely nothing to the table by way of evidence. It's not that he is unwilling/incapable of bringing evidence forward. It's that there isn't any evidence to be had. A dip into his own website reveals a morass of unsubstantiated claims and a wet, soggy expanse of the direst propaganda. That dire swampland, and repeated reposts of his favourite strawmen news articles is all he has to share.

The biggest reason he posts here is that it costs him nothing. That it brings him nothing but scorn and fails to provide him with customers is part of the unspoken subtext -- that he is an idiot with precious few handholds on reality.

WSS

4234 reads Why do you post here

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"Since you aren't willing to discuss anything, why do you post here, Kevin?"

The only complaints I have about my postings here are from a few mad Scientology Bashes. The other 99% of readers seem to keep coming back. If you don't like the forum, to bad, you can always start a psychology or psychotherapy one up and see if you get any reads???

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

Modern science abandoned long time ago."

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Leonod Wrote
"His theory of painful memories as cause of psychosomatic
diseases has no scientific basis and represents simplistic
pseudo-Freudian approach which modern science abandoned long time ago."

True, the pseudo-Freudian approach was a failure and that left us with the circus we have today. It also left the medical model with only physical treatments [psychosomatic medicine] to handle psychosomatic illness.

"Army doctors prescribed a treatment that included 15
different painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs,
plus antidepressants, muscle relaxants and a blood-pressure
medicine. The last two medications — morphine plus methadone — were prescribed on a Friday afternoon."
That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up.
The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication."

Leonod Wrote

"Psychosomatic and other “healers" would treat all these conditions by the same remedy."

Not true. I handle only the psychosomatic side [stress] of any condition or illness and leave the medical side of it up to those that treat that problem. The medical model try to handle the psychosomatic and the physical side with physical treatments, pretending to know something about psychosomatic illness. If you know a doctor that knows more about psychosomatic healing than I do and can get results with it, let him put his money where his mouth is!!!

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...
Handling the stress related to all illness.
With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress
comes an improvement in health

psychosomatic witch doctory

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The trade mark of witch doctory is everlasting aspiration to find one single treatment for all illnesses from baldness to bad luck. Even psychosomatic disorders are much more complicated than Kevin would like to admit. His theory of painful memories as cause of psychosomatic diseases has no scientific basis and represents simplistic pseudo-Freudian approach which modern science abandoned long time ago. Psychosomatic symptoms are somatisation of psychological problems-usually reactive depression and they are presented as non-specific complains-like headache, abdominal pain etc...without any objective evidence of physical illness. Some times psychosomatic disorders aggravate symptoms of physical illness. But anybody who claims that psychosomatic syndrome is a cause of every physical illness from asthma to AIDS wants education. Witch doctors don't realize that it is a difference between symptom and disease. For example headache could be symptom of many different diseases like migraine, hypertension, brain tumor, intracranial bleeding and so on. Psychosomatic and other “healers" would treat all these conditions by the same remedy. One can only imagine the effect of removal of painful memories (whatever it means) on brain aneurysm.

Why do you post here?

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Since you aren't willing to discuss anything, why do you post here, Kevin?

 

--Mindy

4189 Reads What causes the psychosomatic illness

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"Do you know that pain isn't remembered well?"

It is remembered well if you know how to access it.

Psychosomatic: psycho refers to mind [not the brain] and somatic refers to body; the term psychosomatic means the mind making the body ill or illnesses which have been created physically within the body by derangement of the mind
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

If all memories are stored,

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one doesn't need to say, "stored memories." That's what makes it redundant, see?

Everyone experiences physical and emotional pain in living, and has some kind of memory of those events. What causes the psychosomatic illness in those people who get sick--according to your theory, Kevin?

--Mindy

Whoops

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I see it was not Mindy's level of knowledge that needed questioning but rather Kevin's. Mindy's judgment call to ask Kevin for clarification was necessitated.

Physical pain is not rememberable in the physical sense as pain is such a subjective phenomenon. Subjective in the way that its intensity is regulated by persons perception.

Of course pain can be rememberable in another sense, in that, residual changes can be left in place post the traumatic event which can influence present complaints.

kkulak

Do you know that pain isn't remembered well?"

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"Isn't that redundant? Or are the memories you target different? If so, how? Do you know that pain isn't remembered well?"

All memories are stored aren't they? Psychotherapy went some way in handling past memories but didn't complete or workout how to handle those memories buried below a person awareness. If a psychiatrist, psychologist or psychotherapist were to use Dianetics, they would see where it [psychotherapy] went wrong. [So close yet so far]

"Psychotherapy, not knowing about pain storage and its effects discovered long ago that one could rid a patient of one illness only to have another pop up -and psychotherapy became a defeatist school because it could do nothing permanent for the abberrated or the ill even when it could do a little something to relieve it. Hence, all efforts to make men vital and well became suspect because the reason they were inefficient and ill had not been discovered and proven."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Mindy

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Come on Mindy.... This is not a term used for literal memory of pain. Being a psychologist you should be rather aware of this....

"Stored memories"

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Isn't that redundant? Or are the memories you target different? If so, how? Do you know that pain isn't remembered well?

 

--Mindy

Are you now a physiotherapist?

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"Kevin, does that post mean you now call yourself a physiotherapist?"

No, I'm still a Psychosomatic Healer.

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...
Handling the stress related to all illness. With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress comes an improvement in health

The last post was directed at Kasper [an apprentice physiotherapist].

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not result in anything permanent."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Are you now a physiotherapist?

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Kevin, does that post mean you now call yourself a physiotherapist?

 

Role of a Physiotherapist

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It may pay to stick with what you know and practise, otherwise you might get in over your head.
Leave the witch doctor voodo techniques up to me.
If you need any help with all those psychosomatic pains and injuries you pretend to know about, let me know. Cheers

Role of a Physiotherapist
http://www.naturaltherapypages...

The primary role of a physiotherapist is to assess a patient’s condition and to find the underlying causes of pain, whether it be in the joints, muscles or nerves. They also advise the patients on ways to manage their condition and show them how they can prevent further pain or injury.

Techniques Employed
Physiotherapy is a drug-free therapy and some techniques that are employed include:

joint mobilisation and manipulation
exercise and stretches soft tissue massage the use of electrophysical agents such as ice, heat packs and ultrasound breathing exercises and techniques

Kevin. hmmmmmm

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That coming from a guy who thinks that his witch doctor voodoo techniques can cure cancer.....

Who needs doctor death

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"I think you will feed on any bull shit that comes your way and will descend to the lowest form of argument to push your PSH stuff."

Thanks for your opinion?? I could say the same about you and your lot and their vested interest. The clowns [psychiatrists, neurologists [physical healers]] dishing out 23 drugs with no result other than death, must of been stupid as well.

What is a Psychosomatic Disorder ?
http://www.surgerydoor.co.uk/m...

All illnesses can be considered to be psychosomatic.
That is, they inevitably involve the mind's reaction
(psyche) to a physical (soma) illness. However, in some
illnesses, psychological factors seem to play a
particularly important part. They can influence not
only the cause of the illness, but can also worsen the
symptoms and affect the course of the disorder. It is
these illnesses that are termed psychosomatic disorders.
Because psychological factors are important in every
illness, there is lack of agreement as to what should
be considered as a psychosomatic disorder. Many doctors
believe that illnesses such as duodenal ulcers, irritable
bowel syndrome, bronchial asthma, eczema, psoriasis, high
blood pressure and heart attacks are strongly influenced
by psychological factors. Sometimes psychological factors
can cause ill health without actually causing a disease.
As a result of unhappiness, anxiety or stress due to
personal problems, physical symptoms may develop. We are
all familiar with the headache that develops as a result
of stress. Similarly, other physical symptoms can develop.
These include nausea, abdominal pain and chest pain,
breathlessness, diarrhoea and giddiness and muscle pains.

Kevin.

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I think you will feed on any bull shit that comes your way and will descend to the lowest form of argument to push your PSH stuff. Barf!

Sympathy? Fuck.

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"Sympathy? Fuck. If you're that fucking stupid to accept 23 different drugs for pain then you deserve it."

Good point. He may of been fucking stupid??
One thing it does indicate though, is that these returned serviceman and others should be aware of what their psychiatrist or neurologist etc [physical healers] will do, otherwise they may drug you to death and get paid handsomely for doing it by the taxpayer.

If one has to use 23 drugs with no result other than death, where's the drugs that do work???

Kevin

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Sympathy? Fuck. If you're that fucking stupid to accept 23 different drugs for pain then you deserve it.

Who needs Doctor Death [Anyone for some help]

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"In the last six months of his life, Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz tried 23 different prescription medications to relieve the pain of war.

Army doctors prescribed a treatment that included 15 different painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs, plus antidepressants, muscle relaxants and a blood-pressure medicine. The last two medications — morphine plus methadone — were prescribed on a Friday afternoon.

That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up. The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication.

Some, like Waltz, survived the war only to die from pills they took to recover from it."

The above is the psychiatrist and neurologist etc [physical healers] at work. Neither having any workable treatment to handle psychosomatic pain. So much for the experiment on Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz???

I notice the Scientology Bashers [Leonid, pigmy, grester and william sckeck] doing what they are good at, attacking the messenger but no sympathy shown or comments on the article that would suggest any wrong doing by these modern day shamans.

Whacko Psych Surveys:

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I'm sure this is what's happening to our education system.
The YouTube video shows the culprits. It's not the feminazi's, its the psyches.

Video - Wacko Psych Surveys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"... and they're just getting sick and tired of the government intervening in their kids. Every time the kids turn around they got some wacko survey to fill out by some Shrink that asks stupid questions. Every time they sneeze they got a hundred counselors showing up boo hoo hoo and getting them in circles. And every time they get a little bit sick they got some nurse more than willing to throw about 4 different drugs at them."
Minnesota House Rep. Tony Cornish

4030 reads Who needs Doctor Death

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""He was in bad pain," said his wife, Renea. "When they put him on the methadone, we both freaked because all we knew was that it was for heroin addicts. We didn't know anything else. His neurologist said, 'Oh, no, this is used for long-term pain, and he should do fine.'"
That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up. The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication."

His neurologist said, 'Oh, no, this [methadone] is used for long-term pain, and he should do fine.'"

Looks like I've upset the snake oil merchants, psychiatrists, neurologists, [modern day sharman's] with a bit of truth. All they could do for Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz retuning from war, injured and in pain, was drug him until he was dead and call that help.

The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication."

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...
Handling the stress related to all illness. With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress comes an improvement in health.

"Kevin's Colleagues"

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Actually, they make you look a little slack, Kevin.

Full list of diseases and disorders

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Full list of diseases and disorders that Kevin Owen can assist the body thetan to 'handle':

Mental Illness [Spiritual and Mental Stress with a label on it] addiction, Anxiety, Depression, Eating Disorders, Gambling, Grief and Loss, Trauma, Suicide, Cancer , Phobia, Arthritis, Back Pain, Headaches, Phantom Pains, Repetitive Strain Injury, Motor Neurone Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy, Restless Leg Syndrome, Shingles, Parkinson?s Disease, Dyslexia, Dizziness, Sleep Problems, Infertility, Migraine, Movement Disorders, Prostate Cancer, Bowel Cancer, Allergies Asthma, Epilepsy, Heart Attack, Muscular Dystrophy, Schizophrenia, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Postnatal Depression, Rashes, Sports Injuries, Stroke , Anorexia, Pregnancy Stress , Skin Disorders, Neurological Disorders, etc ,etc etc
-- from the pixie's own page "What Are Psychosomatic Illnesses," which I won't link to, so that Kevin doesn't receive his usual half Hong Kong dollar for each hit.

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You are entirely too kind

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...in abusing Scientology's intelligence, WSS. It is their fraudulent advertising that is unconscionable. Their claims to be able even to treat, much less cure anything but loneliness are despicable.

--Mindy

Doctor Pixie claims to cure cancer, sports injuries and stroke

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I stumbled upon a 'psychosomatic healing' site that lists the kinds of disorders and diseases the site owner considers psychosomatic illness. Along with the three items noted in the subject, we are also offered infertility, repetitive strain injury and shingles (full list below).

Well, no one could guess, but it's a Scientology site, and the muddled wee sprite who runs it is SOLO's own sideshow pinhead, Kevin Owen.

So, Kevin Owen claims to (help the thetan clear its bad engrams and) cure cancer, arthritis, stroke, shingles, Parkinson's, sports injuries, and more . . .

Hmmmm.

Parkinson's disease is psychosomatic, according to the pixie. I kid you not.

I was confident that Kevin was extremely stupid, but I had no idea how far to the left he rides the bell curve. Here is a picture of Kevin's cousin Ferguson doing a number on a client. Presumably one of the clients suffering Post-natal Depression, judging by his expression.

Full list of diseases and disorders that Kevin Owen can assist the body thetan to 'handle':

Mental Illness [Spiritual and Mental Stress with a label on it] addiction, Anxiety, Depression, Eating Disorders, Gambling, Grief and Loss, Trauma, Suicide, Cancer , Phobia, Arthritis, Back Pain, Headaches, Phantom Pains, Repetitive Strain Injury, Motor Neurone Disease, Multiple Sclerosis, Muscular Dystrophy, Restless Leg Syndrome, Shingles, Parkinson?s Disease, Dyslexia, Dizziness, Sleep Problems, Infertility, Migraine, Movement Disorders, Prostate Cancer, Bowel Cancer, Allergies Asthma, Epilepsy, Heart Attack, Muscular Dystrophy, Schizophrenia, Post Traumatic Stress Disorder, Postnatal Depression, Rashes, Sports Injuries, Stroke , Anorexia, Pregnancy Stress , Skin Disorders, Neurological Disorders, etc ,etc etc
-- from the pixie's own page "What Are Psychosomatic Illnesses," which I won't link to, so that Kevin doesn't receive his usual half Hong Kong dollar for each hit.

For those who find it hard to believe how stupid Kevin really is, I invite them to read the passage below, where some helpful person has inserted inline explanations of some fairly easy words. The helpful person cannot be Kevin himself, since his command of English is shaky, but it makes me wonder if the entire quack cure-all site is pitched to the simple-minded only.

Injury and illness are predisposed (made more likely to occur) by the spiritual state of the person. They are precipitated (brought on) by the being himself as a manifestation of his current spiritual condition. And they are prolonged (extended in time beyond normal limits) by any failure to fully handle the spiritual factors associated with them.

The causes of predisposition, precipitation and prolongation are addressed with assists.
- from pixie boy's "Methods of Healing" page.

Who needs Doctor Death??

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Injured troops increasingly turning to prescription medication
http://www.rutlandherald.com:8...

August 27, 2008

By DAVID OLINGER and ERIN EMERY The Denver Post

In the last six months of his life, Staff Sgt. Mark Waltz tried 23 different prescription medications to relieve the pain of war.

He came home from his second tour of Iraq suffering from combat stress, a traumatic brain injury and relentless back pain.

Army doctors prescribed a treatment that included 15 different painkillers and anti-inflammatory drugs, plus antidepressants, muscle relaxants and a blood-pressure medicine. The last two medications — morphine plus methadone — were prescribed on a Friday afternoon.

"He was in bad pain," said his wife, Renea. "When they put him on the methadone, we both freaked because all we knew was that it was for heroin addicts. We didn't know anything else. His neurologist said, 'Oh, no, this is used for long-term pain, and he should do fine.'"

That weekend, Waltz went to sleep and never woke up. The coroner's conclusion: mixed-drug intoxication.

Non-responsive repetitive cut and paste jobs

William Scott Scherk's picture

It seems Kevin Owen's communication skills have broken down. When asked if he or Scientology endorses/claims as its own the trademarked light therapy product from his link . . . he responds with another cut and paste of the same material, along with a weaselly dodge of the standing question.

I suspect that somewhere in Kevin's pickled walnut of a brain, he believes that someone on this site is a light therapist. And thus he forks up a link, not understanding a couple of things -- that there is a certain amount of solid research that supports some kind of light therapy (if not the Bluewave technology) for the treatment of Seasonal Affective Disorder; that this research actually appears in peer-reviewed, referreed scientific journals.

Of course, because his education foundered just shortly after the fifth grade, he is unable to locate, read or absorb the research, although it is front and centre on the site he noted.

Of interest is the disclaimer from the light therapy site, below, that cautions anyone to seek medical advice before commencing any form of treatment. I understand that Kevin's voodoo healing paradigm disdains all medicine, and offers zero disclaimers. If Kevin actually had any current customers, I might be concerned . . .

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Kevin, you are hardly showing good faith by reposting (for the fourth time) an excerpt from Chris Wolf's essay.

By merely re-pasting the same materials as before, instead of responding to your interlocutors, you appear as noted: "a cranky, unpleasant and non-responsive flake."

I can only conclude that you don't care if you appear a flake -- as long as you get a free billboard for posting Church propaganda.

Since you cannot argue, reason, respond to questions, offer cogent critiques, or formulate some compelling reason why people should not treat you as a flake, you will be treated as a flake.

WSS

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What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?

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What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?
http://www.jeffcomp.com/faq/wr...

by Chris Wolf

Why do so many Objectivists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by Objectivism?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Objectivists, is not supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Objectivism. However such behavior is personally supported and advocated by Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of misapplication of the fundamental principles of Objectivism. (If you think it's impossible for the originator of a philosophy to misapply it; think again.)

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Objectivism, or the Objectivist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Objectivism and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Objectivism, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

3936 reads, satisfied customers 0

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Lights on Kev?

How Does Light Therapy Work ? [Apollo's BLUEWAVE™ ]

KevinOwen's picture

http://www.lighttherapy.com.au
"Once activated the Hypothalamus sends a signal to the Pineal gland. The pineal gland immediately suppresses the withdrawal hormone Melatonin and stimulates the production of the active hormone Serotonin."

Who needs Psychosomatic Healing,
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...
when one can receive blue light through the eyes and all woes disappear???

A simple question for a simple man, re: Light Therapy

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin Owen gives no answer to Mindy's reasonable question. She isn't the only one who wondered why he cut and pasted an advert and link to a Light Therapy website.

Kevin, if you don't respond to simple questions in good faith, expect people to consider you a cranky, unpleasant and non-responsive flake.

WSS

3923 Reads. Video - Whacko Psych Surveys:

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Video - Whacko Psych Surveys:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

"... and they're just getting sick and tired of the government intervening in their kids. Every time the kids turn around they got some whacko survey to fill out by some Shrink that asks stupid questions. Every time they sneeze they got a hundred counselors showing up boo hoo hoo and getting them in circles. And every time they get a little bit sick they got some nurse more than willing to throw about 4 different drugs at them."
Minnesota House Rep. Tony Cornish

Elementary and Secondary Education Act.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

In 1965 came the Elementary and Secondary Education Act

This essentially put Psychiatry and Psychology in the drivers seat of society and firmly established the policies that would harm our children’s minds for the next thirty years.

The ESEA allocated massive federal funds and opened the
school doors to a flood of Psychiatrists’ Psychologists,
Psychiatric Social Workers, Psychiatric Programs,
Psychological Programs and Psychological Testing that continues today.

PSYCHIATRY
BETRAYING AND
DRUGGING CHILDREN
FOR PROFIT
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

We pledge to eliminate ... all
evasive psychiatric/psychologically
based programs, assessments
tests and prescribed
psychotropic drugs from our
schools and funding thereof.
We pledge to return [our]
schools to an academic
curriculum utilizing proven
educational methods for
factual knowledge and skills.
We pledge to make education
fully accountable to the
people

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on
Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09-373 -3897
P.O.Box 5257 Auckland
http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

Taking credit?

KevinOwen's picture

Again you show your lack of any knowledge of Dianetics and Scientology, yet pretend to know something about it??

Taking credit?

Ptgymatic's picture

Are you giving Scientology credit for light therapy?

--Mindy

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