Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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Submitted by Anonymous Guest on Thu, 2007-10-18 08:24

Spiritual and Mental Stress [psychosomatic], cause a large proportion of physical and mental illnesses, experienced by individuals.

These physical symptoms are then diagnosed by the Medical Doctor and Psychiatrists etc and treated with physical treatments. [Medication, operations, chemotherapy etc]

As the medical model mainly deals with the physical symptoms and has virtually no cures for these illnesses, and never will, they become acute or chronic and need long-term treatment.

When the Spiritual and Mental aspects of the psycosomatic illness or injury are handled with different forms of Psychotherapy, the symptoms improve and in many cases cease to exist.

All illness should be handled with Spiritual and Mental Therapies [psychotherapy] if possible, as medication or drugs are not needed to get improvement and it has no side effects. The improvement is rapid, as after therapy the person is aware that his/her condition has improved.

Many operations are not needed when the above psychotherapies are used on the physical or mental condition or problem. Work stress can be lessened quickly without medications. All injuries, healing of them can be sped up. Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...


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Crikey Scherk

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Don't get him started Sticking out tongue

I say it's unanimous he's the class clown.

Psychophysiologic disorders

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Kevin Owen writes: We have two medical doctors [long time scientologists] in Auckland and I have trained with others on different courses. I have handled problems doctors have treated without any success easily. I know where their ability finishes and where mine starts.

In the condensed textbook of psychosomatic medicine Essentials of Psychosomatic Medicine (found here in full text via Google Books), we find references to the syndromes of Fibromyalgia or Chronic Fatique Syndrome.

You would agree, Kevin, that FM/CFS is one of those disorders that medical science has yet to treat successfully, and one that may have a psychosomatic etiology. Given the sad state of understanding and treating the syndrome, can we ask if you have ever met such a case? If so, have you had your usual 90-100% success rates in helping the sufferer heal himself?

WSS

How does Light Therapy Work ? [Apollo's BLUEWAVE™ ]

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How does Light Therapy Work ?

http://www.lighttherapy.com.au...

When the recipient is exposed to Apollo's BLUEWAVE™ Technology, waves of light enter the eye.

A nerve that connects the retina to a key point in the Hypothalamus region of the brain is activated.

Once activated the Hypothalamus sends a signal to the Pineal gland. The pineal gland immediately suppresses the withdrawal hormone Melatonin and stimulates the production of the active hormone Serotonin.
Today light therapy is also recognised as an effective treatment for sleep disorders and is used to combat the effects of Jet lag. It’s used as a safety aid for people working the night shift or in limited light situations such as underground mining.

Research is underway now in the areas of Parkinson’s disease, Alzheimer’s, Chronic Fatigue Syndrome and Women’s menstrual health to name a few. You can see the proof in our research articles

"It was conjured up in a mental health class

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"It was conjured up in a mental health class for us students to deliberate over."

Fair enough, I thought it was a bit under stated. We have two medical doctors [long time scientologists] in Auckland and I have trained with others on different courses. I have handled problems doctors have treated without any success easily. I know where their ability finishes and where mine starts. The medical profession and many other practitioners do good work but psychosomatic healing is outside of their training. Psychosomatic medicine [physical treatments] is not psychosomatic healing. If you know a medical practitioner [physical healer] that thinks he knows what psychosomatic healing is and can deliver it, see if he has a spare $1000 we could donate to Solo.

The ideal scene would be to work together to help the patient but that's not going to happen as there is to much
vested interest at stake.

Thanks for your comments. Cheers

The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Kevin

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woe woe woe Kevin hold your horses. That case study was not real. It was conjured up in a mental health class for us students to deliberate over. It was artificial in that it was made to be extremely obvious that a psychosomatic ail was underlying. It was delivered here for your analysis and answers which were one of the multiple opportunities you neglected to explain what you do. Since you can't answer for what psycho-somatic illness are and what the treatment for them is..... I propose that it is you that has no idea what PSH actually is.

I am working in a hospital at the moment. Doctors know many things and of course don't know many others (can't be expected to). But they aren't anywhere near as blatantly stupid as you would like them to look based on that case study.
A doctor may assess or hear 'chest clearance problems'
'falls risk' mobility, home, management, stress or anxiety and refer to physio. Point is they have enough insight from their medical training to know where to refer even if they may not know how to do physio, occupational therapy, pschology/counselling or social work.

Basic clinical reasoning is that you collect all information together. This involves taking proper history as this adds to the clinical meanings and information gathered.
Typically in a hospital the admission chart will have headings:
Presenting complaint (medical)
History of presenting complaint
Past medical history
Social history (home situation, support, family/caregivers, emotional state, etc etc).

Once again after many times you inappropriately lump physical healers with the image of a Dr looking at charts and drug books. Even if that was all doctors did then they wouldn't be able to solve physical problems. Part of gathering information is the process of listening a skill which you prove to have little of. Rather you rebut shit back defensively.
Get a grip and grow up. Git.

What Scientology says about pain

William Scott Scherk's picture

In his previous incoherent post, quack 'healer' Kevin Owen omits the source of his posted claptrap about pain:

Painkillers

"Doctors and others prescribe painkillers such as aspirin, tranquilizers, hypnotics and soporifics (sleep-inducing drugs) in an understandable wish to relieve pain.

However, it has never been known in chemistry or medicine exactly how or why these things worked. Such compositions are derived by accidental discoveries that “such and so depresses pain.”

-- a simple Google search turns up the source for the preceding two paragraphs. Surprise, surprise, it's from a kooky Scientology site.

Of course, that isn't interesting in itself, since Kevin is unable to assemble an argument on his own and must borrow from his betters. What is interesting is the rest of the Church hooey on the subject of painkillers (emphasis added) --

Pain or discomfort of a psychosomatic nature comes from mental image pictures created by the thetan which press against and affect the body. For example, a mental image picture of a past incident in which an arm was broken can be reactivated in the present, impinging on the body and causing pain in that same arm.

By actual clinical test, the actions of aspirin and other pain depressants are to:

A. Inhibit the ability of the thetan to create mental image pictures

and also

B. To impede the electrical conductivity of nerve channels.

As a result, the thetan is rendered stupid, blank, forgetful, delusive and irresponsible. He gets into a “wooden” sort of state, unfeeling, insensitive, unable and definitely not trustworthy, a menace to his fellows actually.

Oddly, this resulting state of affairs seems to describe our little wall-eyed pixie exactly.

Now, in case Kevin is actually interested in pain, perhaps he could inform us how he knows that trigeminal neuralgia is a psychosomatic ailment. Since he isn't interested in anything but promoting Scientologist quackery, of course, he will have nothing to say. In the interest of clearing up his 'wooden' state, I invite him to read his fill of the interesting items at the Trigeminal Neuralgia page of Wikipedia.

WSS

Extreme Face Ache Incurable Kev!

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I read it in Beano. It's fucking true. Give it up.

Hope for Migraine Sufferers ????

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Studying the lowly locust could lead to improved migraine drugs for people. Biologists link locust comas with human migraine

http://qnc.queensu.ca/story_lo...

The way locusts react to stress may provide an important clue to understanding what causes human migraines – and how to reduce their painful effects, says Queen’s Biology professor Mel Robertson.

With PhD student Corinne Rodgers, Dr. Robertson is using insect models to examine how the nervous system controls breathing when stress is induced through high temperatures and oxygen deprivation. They have discovered that the locust’s reaction to extreme heat is very similar to a disturbance in mammals that has been associated with human migraines and stroke.

Surgery may be considered for extreme face pain

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If the condition is psychosomatic, what are these special drugs doing other than trying to suppress or sedate the pain [pain killers]. Once the drugs no longer suppress the pain, according to the neurologist the only option he has is to cut the nerves that the pain travels along.

Painkillers

"Doctors and others prescribe painkillers such as aspirin, tranquilizers, hypnotics and soporifics (sleep-inducing drugs) in an understandable wish to relieve pain.

However, it has never been known in chemistry or medicine exactly how or why these things worked. Such compositions are derived by accidental discoveries that “such and so depresses pain.”

The effects of existing compounds are not uniform in result and often have very bad side effects.

As the reason they worked was unknown, very little advance has been made in biochemistry – the chemistry of life processes and substances. If the reason they worked were known and accepted, possibly chemists could develop some actual painkillers which had minimal side effects."

Source: American Academy of Neurology
Gary S. Gronseth, M.D.
Associate Professor and Vice-Chairman
He is Board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
http://www2.kumc.edu/neurology...

'There are very few drugs with strong evidence of effectiveness in treating trigeminal neuralgia,' said guideline author Gary Gronseth, MD, with the University of Kansas in Kansas City and Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology. 'If people fail to respond to these drugs, physicians should not be reluctant to consider referring the patient for surgery.

Refrain from the name calling and personal attacks.

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William, I would appreciate it if you would comment on the message and refrain from the name calling and personal attacks. Cheers.

Anyone who is gratuitously rude or abusive, will, however, be moderated in the “play pen” for children, after reasonable warning.
When posting, remember the “Three Gs”—good faith, good will and good humour. If the second two are rendered impossible, the first is still a minimum requirement.
As a sign of good faith, please sign on and post under your real name with photograph, which you can upload when you register an account.
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SOLO's wee pixie Scientologist

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Kevin, there is a symptom of mental disorder called perseveration. I don't know if you are familiar with it, but you are exhibiting a cousin symptom -- repetition.

This is the second time you have excerpted the same neurological material in a post, in order to make the same stupid and unwarranted point.

Spamming makes you seem even more of a loon than you are, or more of a loon than your no-eyed photo implies.

With regard to your incoherent mashing about on facial pain, you assume that the pain in this gruesome condition is psychosomatic. A stupid assumption, and a stupid assumption that lets you parade your ignorance of neurology, similar to the parade of ignorance you conducted recently on the subject of cardiology. The bottom line is that you know sweet fuck all about neurology or cardiology, and it shows.

I kind of admire you, Kevin, in the way I admire the stupid wall-eyed fellow at the teen dance who won't go home and won't stop asking the gals to party with him. No one will tell him that he is forlorn, socially-retarded, and unlikely to be partnered, so he continues on with his awkward come-on lines and his offers of ginger ale and crisps and breast massage. Sad, but admirable in his persistence.

I hope that someone will give you a dance. Someone besides the other dull wall-eyed social retards from your wee pixie cult.

WSS

3786 reads Surgery may be considered for extreme face pain

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The article below is the best the American Academy of Neurology can do for a person with this psychosomatic condition. As you can see the treatments are all physical. No mention of psychosomatic healing before the person goes under the knife. The reason for that is they have no psychosomatic healing techniques that could handle, not only this psychosomatic condition but any psychosomatic condition they treat. Their only handling is to attack the psychosomatic condition [the physical symptoms] with psychosomatic medicine [drugs and surgery] The surgery is drastic, as it cuts the nerves the pain travels on, without handling the source of the pain.[The Mind] The neurologist, being a physical healer, thinks the cause is the root of the nerve.[surgery that targets the root of the trigeminal nerve,' said Gary S. Gronseth, M.D.]

Source: American Academy of Neurology
Gary S. Gronseth, M.D.
Associate Professor and Vice-Chairman
He is Board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
http://www2.kumc.edu/neurology...

'There are very few drugs with strong evidence of effectiveness in treating trigeminal neuralgia,' said guideline author Gary Gronseth, MD, with the University of Kansas in Kansas City and Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology. 'If people fail to respond to these drugs, physicians should not be reluctant to consider referring the patient for surgery. Often surgery is considered a last resort and patients suffer while the well-intentioned physician tries other medications with limited effectiveness.'

Before you pay Kevin Owen

Ptgymatic's picture

...to "audit" you out of your trigeminal neuralgia pain, read the Wikipedia or other, reliable account of this hard-to-diagnose and treat disorder.

--Mindy

Any doctor knows how to recognize and approach this condition"

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"Yes, psychosomatic phenomenon is very well known and well described by modern conventional medicine. You don't need any voodoo science to treat it. Any doctor knows how to recognize and approach this condition"

Not all doctors it would seem???

Kasper Wrote
"We met David in a case study two weeks back. He is 39 years of age and for the last 13 years has experienced low back and neck pain with parasthesia (altered sensation)in his right arm, which he describes as "bubbles in the blood and a fizzing sensation". The onset of these symptoms followed the failure of his business and a marital breakdown. More recently he has been diagnosed as having irritable bowel syndrome and ME. He has difficulty concentrating, feels tired and his muscles are painful and tender.

He has undergone assessments in the following departments: gastroenterology, medicine, orthopedics, surgery, infectious diseases and rheumatology but no physical pathology has been demonstrated."

Surgery may be considered for extreme face pain

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The article below shows the physical healer at work attempting to handle a psychosomatic condition, with physical treatments.[drugs and surgery] One thing that shows up is that The American Academy of Neurology, only has physical treatments, which they say have limited success [less than placebo effect]. It also indicates that they have no knowledge or psychosomatic healing to handle the psychosomatic condition [face pain] so box on blindly [experimenting] with physical treatments.

Surgery may be considered for extreme face pain
http://www.sciencecentric.com/...

A new guideline developed by the American Academy of Neurology finds surgery may be considered for people who suffer from extreme, electric shock-like pain in their face and do not respond well to drugs. The guideline on treating trigeminal neuralgia is published in the 20 August 2008 online issue of Neurology(R), the medical journal of the American Academy of Neurology.

'There are very few drugs with strong evidence of effectiveness in treating trigeminal neuralgia,' said guideline author Gary Gronseth, MD, with the University of Kansas in Kansas City and Fellow of the American Academy of Neurology. 'If people fail to respond to these drugs, physicians should not be reluctant to consider referring the patient for surgery. Often surgery is considered a last resort and patients suffer while the well-intentioned physician tries other medications with limited effectiveness.'

Trigeminal neuralgia is a chronic pain condition that causes extreme, stabbing pain throughout the face. The pain normally doesn't last more than a few seconds or a minute per episode, but the episodes can last for days, weeks, or months and then disappear for months or years. The intense pain can be triggered by shaving, applying makeup, brushing teeth, eating, drinking, talking, or being exposed to the wind. It is more common in women than in men.

The guideline recommends the drug carbamazepine be offered as a first-line treatment for people with trigeminal neuralgia. The guideline also says oxcarbazepine should be considered.

'If patients don't respond well to carbamazepine or one or two other drugs, it is reasonable to consider surgery that targets the root of the trigeminal nerve,' said Gronseth. 'People with trigeminal neuralgia should be aware of the availability of surgical treatments and discuss these options with their physicians.'

The guideline also recommends that physicians consider sending all patients with trigeminal neuralgia for MRI or trigeminal reflex testing since up to 15 percent of patients have an underlying structural cause of the disorder, such as a tumour.

Source: American Academy of Neurology
Gary S. Gronseth, M.D.
Associate Professor and Vice-Chairman
He is Board certified by the American Board of Psychiatry and Neurology
http://www2.kumc.edu/neurology...

Kevin

Leonid's picture

"You have already admitted in early posts that many of your patients suffer from psychosomatic illnesses [something I handle not you] and you do talk to them about it. If those problems were handled with psychosomatic healing we might not have the later life threatening conditions that should have been handled earlier."

Yes, psychosomatic phenomenon is very well known and well described by modern conventional medicine. You don't need any voodoo science to treat it. Any doctor knows how to recognize and approach this condition. The problem with you and your kind that one has to know medicine to distinguish between psychosomatic and somatic condition. Evidently you are not, judging by your referral to arthritis as psychosomatic illness. First of all, there is no such a thing like "arthritis". One may deal with rheumatoid arthritis, gouty arthritis, lupus arthritis, psoriasis arthritis, osteoarthritis, infective arthritis etc...They all different diseases with different etiology, pathogenesis and require different treatment. Psychosomatic component may aggravate symptoms but it has nothing to do with the cause of all these conditions. Medicine is huge body of knowledge; it takes years to learn it. Your ignorant short cut approach can only damage your patients and, if they don't get proper treatment timely, can kill them as well. Your hysterical diatribes against modern medicine (especially psychiatry) smell like medieval witch-hunt. Your childish ignorant approach to complex medical problems remind me old Russian jock that "all diseases from nerves, only syphilis from pleasure". It is time for you to grow up, to learn difference between science fiction, X-file style conspiracy theory and real life. If you want to treat people go and study medicine. As knowlegible doctor you would be able properly incorporate psychosomatic treatment into holistic scientifically based therapeutic approach.

Open your eyes

Ptgymatic's picture

He said he is NOT an ethical relativist, Kevin.

Now you can damn him for that.

--Mindy

I'm not Nazi, I’m ethical relativist.

KevinOwen's picture

"No, Kevin, I'm not Nazi, far from it. Neither I’m ethical relativist."

Bully for you. No wonder your confused. You or any other ethical relativist, still don't know anything about psychosomatic healing, so stop pretending you do and spreading propaganda and lies about something you don't understand and have no knowledge of. If its not true for you that's okay. That's only based on your opinion and imagination or relativist philosophy, not on any factual study or knowledge of the subject you have undertaken. If you or anyone else thinks they know more about psychosomatic healing than I do, lets see their money!!! . Cheers

If you go for angioplasty

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If you go for angioplasty you are cheat, if you go for Scientology you are dead. Suit yourself.

You have already admitted in early posts that many of your patients suffer from psychosomatic illnesses [something I handle not you] and you do talk to them about it. If those problems were handle with psychosomatic healing we might not have the later life threatening conditions that should of been handled earlier.

The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"I'm not scholar of Scientology.

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True. You are someone who spreads propaganda and lies about it. What are you a scholar of, if anything other than a fictional character on Solo? Put it in your introduction so we can see if you are real or a Nazi.

"I'm not scholar of Scientology. Bad science fiction and conspiracy theories bores me."

Me to. I agree your not a scholar of the subject and even what you pretend to know about it is false, but you continue to comment on it as if you know something about it??

"Do you imply that rest 95% is unimportant? If so, why Hubbard mentioned 50000 years?"

I didn't imply that. Maybe your reading that into it. If you added the years up by thinking men, you may get more than that.Cheers.

Kevin

Leonid's picture

If you had a clot in you main left coronary artery, on the break of death in great agony would you apply your psychosomatic treatment to yourself or would you beg for angioplasty? If you go for angioplasty you are cheat, if you go for scientology you are dead. Suit yourself.

Kevin

Leonid's picture

"The list he does give is suffient."
But this period constitutes only 5% of time to which Hubbard refers.
Do you imply that rest 95% is unimportant? If so, why Hubbart mentioned 50000 years? Maybe this list is suffient for you, but not for me.You see, I'm infidel,and simple autoritarian statement "is suffient" maybe suffient for adept of religion but not for me.And Kevin, you are right, I'm not scholar of scientology. Bad science fiction and conspiracy theories bores me.

Leonid wrote No, Kevin, I'm not Nazi,

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You could of fooled me??

What is your expertise, if any??

"I see nothing wrong in calling a spade a spade Marxist a scum and scientologist a cheat."

I would call a cardiologist a cheat, as he mainly treats the symptoms of stress and then falsely calls it disease. When I handle the stress with psychosomatic healing, the so called diseases?? the person is experiences, improve and are able to be repaired by himself/herself. You treat the symptoms of the stress without ever handling the stress that causes the so called diseases. In my books that makes you a cheat. When the public [taxpayer] realise or become aware of what you've been doing, I hope you have an island in the pacific where you can hide.

Who cares.

KevinOwen's picture

"This list of people chronologically goes for about 2300 years. What about rest 47700 years ? Why L Hubbard doesn't give credit to anybody from early paleolyte age?"

The list he does give is sufficient and relevant.

Kevin

Leonid's picture

"Ron Hubbard, he wrote: “Acknowledgment is made to fifty thousand years of thinking men without whose speculations and observations the creation and construction of Dianetics would not have been possible. Credit in particular is due to:

“Anaxagoras, Thomas Paine, Aristotle, Thomas Jefferson, Socrates, René Descartes, Plato, James Clerk Maxwell, Euclid, Charcot, Lucretius, Herbert Spencer, Roger Bacon, William James, Francis Bacon, Sigmund Freud, Isaac Newton, van Leeuwenhoek, Cmdr. Joseph Thompson (MC) USN, William A. White, Voltaire, Will Durant, Count Alfred Korzybski, and my instructors in atomic and molecular phenomena, mathematics and the humanities at George Washington University and at Prince"

This list of people chronologically goes for about 2300 years. What about rest 47700 years ? Why L Hubbard doesn't give credit to anybody from early paleolyte or neolyte age?Besides, this list looks like telephone book. What possibly Newton and Freud could have in common?

"I'm not in habit to waste time ( even 2 minutes)

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"I'm not in habit to waste time ( even 2 minutes)to discuss occult, voodoo, shaman, sangoma or scientological practices. All these elements are evidently absent in scientology; otherwise you wouldn't call it religion."

Nor am I, but when someone suggests he knows something about psychosomatic healing [more than I do] I challenge him and like you he/she comes up with some pathetic excuse like yours. As your total knowledge on Dianetics and Scientology is based on the above assumptions not through any knowledge of the subject, most of your advice, criticism, outbursts are not really worth the paper they are written on. May I suggest you stick with what you know [cardiology :a body plumber]

"All these elements are evidently absent in scientology; otherwise you wouldn't call it religion."

Because its called a religion you assume [imagine] that all evidence is absent. Looks like you have made up your mind based on the above assumption,[because its called a religion] not through any knowledge or facts of it. Maybe you should inform people of your lack of knowledge [or your assumptions] on the subject before you comment on it or pretend [imagine] you do know something about it.
One wouldn't want to be known or get a reputation of someone who spreads propoganda and lies??

Is it all based on one man’s work?

Although Dianetics and Scientology were discovered by L. Ron Hubbard, he wrote: “Acknowledgment is made to fifty thousand years of thinking men without whose speculations and observations the creation and construction of Dianetics would not have been possible. Credit in particular is due to:

“Anaxagoras, Thomas Paine, Aristotle, Thomas Jefferson, Socrates, René Descartes, Plato, James Clerk Maxwell, Euclid, Charcot, Lucretius, Herbert Spencer, Roger Bacon, William James, Francis Bacon, Sigmund Freud, Isaac Newton, van Leeuwenhoek, Cmdr. Joseph Thompson (MC) USN, William A. White, Voltaire, Will Durant, Count Alfred Korzybski, and my instructors in atomic and molecular phenomena, mathematics and the humanities at George Washington University and at Princeton.”

Kevin

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Kevin, I decline you generous offer, in spite sad fact that SOLO is going to loose $1000. I'm not in habit to waste time ( even 2 minutes)to discuss occult, voodoo, shaman, sangoma or scientological practices. Rational discussion first of all presupposes primacy of existence and relies on evidence, logic and reason. All these elements are evidently absent in scientology; otherwise you wouldn't call it religion. Religion is based on faith and as such cannot be subject of any serious discussion.
"These disturbing elements are the Merchants of Chaos. They deal in confusion and upset. Their daily bread is made by creating chaos. If chaos were to lessen, so would their incomes.
The politician, the reporter, the medico, the drug manufacturer, the militarist and arms manufacturer, the police and the undertaker, to name the leaders of the list, fatten only upon “the dangerous environment.” Even individuals and family members can be Merchants of Chaos."

Do you really think that I'm going to discuss this paranoidal conspiracy theory? If you do, you are simply intended to insult me. However you may discuss it with your shrink.He may help.
BTW, how you came to conclusion that I'm fictional character? Have you got revelation? I can assure you that I'm very much real, unlike your religion

Mother’s Act could put all Americans on Antidepressants

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Mother’s Act could put all Americans on Antidepressants
http://www.live-pr.com/en/moth...

22.08.2008 13:14:30 The MOTHER’S Act is named for Melanie Stokes, who committed suicide in 2001. She was undergoing postpartum psychiatric treatment with a myriad of drugs in addition to electroshock therapy.

(live-PR.com) - San Francisco, CA. Aug. 22, 2008 -- The MOTHER’S Act is named for Melanie Stokes, who committed suicide in 2001. She was undergoing postpartum psychiatric treatment with a myriad of drugs in addition to electroshock therapy. Apparently they still use electroshock treatment. Senate majority leader Harry Reid (D-NV) brought this bill called the Mothers Act “Advancing America Priorities Act (S.3297) up before the recess in late July as part of the Coburn Omnibus Package. The bill’s lead sponsor is Senator Robert Menendez (D-NJ), who has accepted more than $300,000 from pharmaceutical donors during the last election cycle. It is also co-sponsored by Senator Barak Obama (D-ILL), Hillary Clinton (D-NY), and Barbara Boxer (D-CA) among others. The bill is designed to screen and treat pregnant and new mothers across the U.S. at risk for mental disorders. This could put virtually every mother and every child on anti-depressants (SSRI’s) in America (also see ssristories.com). Many of the groups backing the bill also receive funds from or have members working for pharmaceutical companies. The bill indicates the mothers must be “screened” for mental disorders during pregnancy. This ultimately could mean every mother would essentially have to see the “Psych” at a hospital during her pregnancy. The “Psych’s” who are fully backed by BigPharma could recommend every pregnant mother to take an antidepressant (SSRI) such as Prozac, Paxil, Zoloft etc. Presently over 50% of all American’s are using some kind of prescription drug, and over half of these prescription drugs are antidepressants according to a recent report by the CDC (Center for Disease Control). BigPharma could have every American on one of their drugs.

How does one research

Ptgymatic's picture

...fifty thousand years of "thinking men????" Especially as recorded history goes only back about five thousand years??

No, Scientology isn't given to hype, not a bit.

--Mindy

3642 reads . Leonid. Put Up Or Shut Up!!!

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'This is undeniable evidence that the science is still alive and kicking despite efforts of the sundry mystics and witch doctors."

Leonid your statement above, to me states that science knows more about psychosomatic illness [healing] than Dianetics and Scientology does. I would like to confirm that we are the experts in that field [psychosomatic illness and healing] and are more advanced than science.[physical healers]

Lets put a $1000 up and see who is talking shite. I suggest that it is you and you say it is me. Lets say we have 2hrs each to convince a mutual referee on the subject
[which of us is talking shite] and that person then decides who pays the money to a charity of choice. I'll donate the $1000 you loose to the Solo Website.

I look forward to the challenge which I doubt you will take as you know you are talking shite, when it comes to psychosomatic illness and healing. You may have to divulge your real identity to us first, instead of the fictional character your playing at the moment.

Leonid Wrote "I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment but I discuss psychosomatic treatment as a whole."

Fundamentals Of Thought

Forward

This Thin Book is a summation, if brief, of the results of
fifty thousand years of thinking men. Their materials, researched and capped by a quarter of a century of original search by L.Ron Hubbard, have bought the humanities, so long outdistanced by the "exact sciences" into a state of equality, if not superiority, to physics, chemistry and mathematics.

Mr Hubbard, an American, studied nuclear physics at George Washington University in Washington, DC, before he started his studies about the mind, spirit and life. This explains the mathematical precision of the Scientology Religion.

Further evidence WSS

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This man is severely demented. You raise a good point, http://www.solopassion.com/nod..., that Kev is more than likely breaking Kookology's guidelines and they will no doubt put him out of his misery once his donations run out.

William, where would objectivists be without you??

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William, where would objectivists be without you, protecting them from the evil cult of Dianetics and Scientology. Some might say that if you didn't post on my topics no-one would even know you were alive?? At least they see your propaganda and lies here. I look forward to your next post. Cheers.

What's REALLY Wrong With Objectivism?
http://www.jeffcomp.com/faq/wr...

by Chris Wolf

Why do so many Objectivists insist on attacking the honesty, integrity, and character of their opponents? Are such attacks an aberration, or is this sort of behavior actually advocated by Objectivism?

Such attack behavior, so prevalent among Objectivists, is not supported and advocated by the fundamental principles of the philosophy of Objectivism. However such behavior is personally supported and advocated by Ayn Rand, Leonard Peikoff, and many of their supporters. Such behavior is a clear case of misapplication of the fundamental principles of Objectivism. (If you think it's impossible for the originator of a philosophy to misapply it; think again.)

Anyone who has had much exposure to the philosophy of Objectivism, or the Objectivist movement, has observed the endless moralizing and condemnation which seems to characterize the philosophy of Objectivism and many of its adherents. People who oppose the philosophy of Objectivism, or who simply espouse ideas at odds with Objectivism, frequently find their character, honesty, and integrity under vicious attack.

The unfunny truth about Scientology

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Cult propagandist and purported healer Kevin Owen continues his drive to become SOLO's eleventh-most annoying member. To counter his crass and off-topic cut and past jobs, here's a look at the splendour of Scientology.

Warning: some graphic images.

WSS

Driving, Antidepressants Can Be Dangerous Duo

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Should Drug addicts be allowed on the road???
Those [psychiatrists, Psychologists, Md's etc] dishing out the drugs would say yes? Those taking the drugs would also say yes?? Would you get in a car or let your kids ride in a car with a prescription addict??

Driving, Antidepressants Can Be Dangerous Duo
http://medheadlines.com:80/200...
In the past 10 years, the use of antidepressant drugs has tripled in the United States, where one in 10 women takes at least one antidepressant, according to National Center for Health Statistics’ 2004 Health United States report. A new, separate, study by researchers at the University of North Dakota says those antidepressant medications, as well as the bleak moods that underlie their dispensation, can significantly impair one’s driving ability.

Recruiting 60 participants for a study using simulated driving situations, Holly Dannewitz, PhD, and Tom Petros, PhD, both psychologists at the university, analyzed the decision-making ability of the study participants when faced with common driving distractions that included animals, other cars, bicyclists, helicopters, pylons, and speed-limit signs. Concentration, scanning, and steering abilities were tested.

Of the 60 study participants, 31 took at least one form of antidepressant medication and the remaining 29 did not. Those taking antidepressants were further divided into two subgroups, one reporting a high number of the symptoms of depression, indicating a deeper level of depression, and the other group reporting symptoms in the normal range.

The most depressed study participants turned out to be the worst drivers, who demonstrated difficulties with concentration and the ability to respond effectively to the everyday distractions of driving. The group of people taking antidepressants but falling in the normal range for symptoms exhibited the same level of driving abilities as the control group not taking antidepressant medications.

The research team urges people taking antidepressants to be aware of how their medications affect their driving abilities as well as the way it affects their academic, professional, and social abilities. These precautions are especially urgent, given the rapidly rising number of Americans taking Paxil, Prozac, Zoloft, and other prescription antidepressant medications.

The findings of the study were presented on Sunday to the American Psychological Association during their annual convention in Boston.

Source: American Psychological Association

"Would you rather prefer to do experiments on humans?

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"Would you rather prefer to do experiments on humans? That what scientologists do all the time."

No, just experiment with the rats. The medical profession is killing enough humans as it is, just with the side effects of there successful treatments. [after the rat experiments]

When I help someone, [human beings, not rats] I know exactly what I'm doing and the result I will get.[I'm not experimenting] Science by itself is not at that stage yet. Maybe it might take a few more million rats???

Every thing,Kevin. For example that gives you good chance to live 80-90 years instead sore demise at age 45 as it was usual in the age of mystics and shamans.

I wouldn't take all the credit for the above, as most of those that come to me after seeing an army of physicians would of only lived to forty. Nice bit of spin though??
Some probably believe it. Cheers

Kevin

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"True it is alive and kicking. Whats that got to do with having any success??"
Every thing,Kevin. For example that gives you good chance to live 80-90 years instead sore demise at age 45 as it was usual in the age of mystics and shamans. You seemingly don't spare any effort to bring all of us back to this age.

"We have all heard the rat stories from these scientists for the last 50yrs."
Would you rather prefer to do experiments on humans? That what scientologists do all the time.

science is still alive and kicking

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"Great news!!!. This is undeniable evidence that the science is still alive and kicking despite efforts of the sundry mystics and witch doctors."

True it is alive and kicking. Whats that got to do with having any success?? We have all heard the rat stories from these scientists for the last 50yrs. I reckon Stem Cell Sauce would have a higher success than this drug.

http://www.justicefreedom.org/...
* A 12-year study in which the jaw muscles of pigeons and rats were monitored electronically to determine which brain mechanisms could be linked to eating disorders in humans. Cost: over $545,000.

3524 reads. Scientology Bashers are well and alive.

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Good to see the Scientology Bashers are well and alive.
I might start rubbishing each post you make on other nodes. I hope don't mind??.

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

Great find

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WSS, Scientologists are like Dungeons and Dragons nerds who have begun to believe the fantasy.

Great news

Leonid's picture

""MELBOURNE scientists have developed a drug that may prevent a condition responsible for up to 45% of all deaths in the Western world."

Great news!!!. This is undeniable evidence that the science is still alive and kicking despite efforts of the sundry mystics and witch doctors.

The wonder drug for Scientologist pixies

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Kevin, thanks for posting the good news about a very promising future drug treatment for fibrosis. I see that you are disturbed that this treatment may offer a real hope for those with this complication of diabetes. Your ugly subtext is noted.

We note that Scientology killed Lisa MacPherson. And we note that you are still a disingenuous dullard, too weak and subject to mental pratfalls to discuss with we 'wogs.'

Here is a fun video for you, and for those who tire of your shilling for the cult. It's David Miscavige announcing the death of ElRon the nutcase. Miscavige is the pixie who runs your cult. Listen to the squeals and giggles and shouts of the pixies in the audience. "ElRon discarded his body . . . it had become an impediment to work he now must do outside of its confines." Woo hoo.

WSS

Now now Kev

gregster's picture

Even you should know that a placebo won't work on mice let alone rats!

Must try harder. By the way, how many subjects did you pass in School Certificate? Did you go to school? Did Hubbard teach you?

Scientists hail new drug's potential 100% success rate on rats

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http://www.theage.com.au/natio...

"MELBOURNE scientists have developed a drug that may prevent a condition responsible for up to 45% of all deaths in the Western world.

"The Melbourne project has had a 100% success rate in trials on rats and will be trialled on about 30 Victorian patients within months."

WOW!!! Another wonder drug?? [works on rats] This is good stuff. I doubt if the success rate will be more than placebo effect [20% - 40] but it does offer some hope??

"The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Who Cares

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"It's time to front with your "evidence." Before you start to look silly."

I suppose if I did make the time and effort to do what you suggest, people of your education level and stature, might think more highly of me and Dianetics and Scientology????

If you haven't clicked on what I've been posting by now, that's your problem.

"But the point is, the knowledge is there, the knowledge isn't something I dreamed up, the knowledge is residual in you, or you wouldn't even be able to understand it. The knowledge is yours as much as mine. You should be able to know how to use that knowledge and you should be able to know all about that knowledge, and stop respecting it as something super special because it's just the woof and warp of which life is made.

"And if you don't understand all sides of it, you won't get anyplace."

— L. Ron Hubbard

Do I look worried???

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"3374 reads Kevin, did you consider it wasn't Scientology that people were reading about. In fact they won't learn anything nor gain anything from this thread other than the fact that your an equivocal little quack therapist who indeed "evades all calls for some meat on the bones of your contentions"

Maybe they might get an opinion about you and your questionable tax payer funded treatment as well. That would be a good thing, wouldn't it?? I assure you, you have more to loose than I do, as people pay for my service willingly out of their own pocket. The tax payer is forced to pay for your service whether you get a result or not???

Research and treatment of the symptoms only???

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Because the physical healer or researcher couldn't work out how to handle psychosomatic illness [as stated in the article below] they had to plunder on with research and treatment of the symptoms only. A bit of a waist of time don't you think when they already knew the cause was psychosomatic??

The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored
memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain
remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

PSYCHOSOMATIC DISORDERS
http://www.surgerydoor.co.uk/m...

What is a Psychosomatic Disorder ?
All illnesses can be considered to be psychosomatic. That is, they inevitably involve the mind's reaction (psyche) to a physical (soma) illness. However, in some illnesses, psychological factors seem to play a particularly important part. They can influence not only the cause of the illness, but can also worsen the symptoms and affect the course of the disorder. It is these illnesses that are termed psychosomatic disorders. Because psychological factors are important in every illness, there is lack of agreement as to what should be considered as a psychosomatic disorder. Many doctors believe that illnesses such as duodenal ulcers, irritable bowel syndrome, bronchial asthma, eczema, psoriasis, high blood pressure and heart attacks are strongly influenced by psychological factors. Sometimes psychological factors can cause ill health without actually causing a disease. As a result of unhappiness, anxiety or stress due to personal problems, physical symptoms may develop. We are all familiar with the headache that develops as a result of stress. Similarly, other physical symptoms can develop. These include nausea, abdominal pain and chest pain, breathlessness, diarrhoea and giddiness and muscle pains.

Maybe you lot should look at your own questionable evidence

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"We met David in a case study two weeks back. He is 39 years of age and for the last 13 years has experienced low back and neck pain with parasthesia (altered sensation)in his right arm, which he describes as "bubbles in the blood and a fizzing sensation". The onset of these symptoms followed the failure of his business and a marital breakdown. More recently he has been diagnosed as having irritable bowel syndrome and ME. He has difficulty concentrating, feels tired and his muscles are painful and tender.

He has undergone assessments in the following departments: gastroenterology, medicine, orthopedics, surgery, infectious diseases and rheumatology but no physical pathology has been demonstrated."

Maybe you lot should front up with some property evidence [stem cell sauce????]. If I had an army of physician all funded by the tax payer treating someone for 14 yrs and then calling it scientific, I would consider myself a criminal, fraudster and have trouble sleeping at night but you lot do it without any conscience and still can't help the poor man.

I have policy that if the customer is not happy with my service and doesn't get the desired result, he can ask for his/her fee back. You lot get paid for not helping someone and probably making his condition worst for 14 yrs????

Who would bother proving anything to such con men???
Maybe you should spend a bit more time improving your own circus??

Start using Dianetics® in less than one hour!
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Kevin

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3374 reads Kevin, did you consider it wasn't Scientology that people were reading about. In fact they won't learn anything nor gain anything from this thread other than the fact that your an equivocal little quack therapist who indeed "evades all calls for some meat on the bones of your contentions"

Rather silly to conclude this figure to be the interest generated in your 'therapies'. Rather, I propose people read this thread for a good laugh - at you!.

"I am not William's little pixie!" cries Kevin the Scientologist

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Actually, Kevin, you are indeed the little pixie that lives at SOLO. You post your cut-and-paste adverts and you repeat your sales pitches for your quack therapy, and you evade all calls for some meat on the bones of your contentions . . .

As you reap, wee pixie, so shall you sow. Your sour fear of homosexuality rears its pixie head again.

WSS

Come on now Kev

gregster's picture

It's time to front with your "evidence." Before you start to look silly. Sticking out tongue

3374 reads Our little scientologist pixie

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William, I'm not yours or anyone one else's little pixie. Keep your sexual inclinations to yourself ????.

You might not of looked but the article wasn't mine, it came off a medical site [university of michigan]. I suppose they are fools in your eyes as well. It may pay to look in the mirror mate. Make sure its a thick one.

Psychosomatic Illness
http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr...

What if Kevin was trained to pay attention?

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KO: After a particularly stressful event, like the loss of a loved one, for example, an individual might develop high blood pressure shortly afterward or even have a heart attack. In another person, the same situation might lead to a peptic ulcer or a series of asthma attacks.

Haven't we already covered ulcers and the role of the microbe helicobacter pylori, dear dim Scientologist shill, in an earlier time here in this same long dreary misspelled run-on advert for Scientology, when you claimed you cured an ulcer?

Do you remember also, our little scientologist pixie, how you noted at the bottom of the previous testimonial that your healing ways in this case were "all on record."

Can you pony up some of that good evidence, Kev? Can we maybe hear from the guy himself, since you tout him, and use him to prosletyze here? It seems that you use a whole lot of testimonials but no one but you is talking. Let's hear an own-word tale from one of your happy customers, huh?

WSS

I repeat myself...

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Mindy, you seem to do that allot. Maybe you should get some help for it???

"check out the Wikipedia article on Scientology."

You may need to know a bit more about the subject, than whats on the wikipedia article, before you advise others. Being a retired psychologist, psychotherapist and married to a psychiatrist,[so you tell us????] doesn't mean you know anything about it, but that's obvious isn't it.

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

I repeat myself...

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Kevin Owen's posts here are advertisements for some kind of "therapy," the thinking behind which comes from the science-fiction-writer L. Ron Hubbard's farce self-help scheme "Dianetics" and what is called a "Church" of "Scientology."

If anyone is not familiar with this witless movement's claims, check out the Wikipedia article on Scientology. One of Hubbard's claims is to be able to leave his physical body...

--Mindy

What If all Doctors were trained to handle Psychosomatic Illness

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What If all Doctors were trained to handle Psychosomatic Illness properly, instead of just treating the symptoms [psychosomatic medicine]?

Psychosomatic Illness
http://www.med.umich.edu/1libr...

A disorder that involves both mind and body is called a psychosomatic illness. In other words, the illness may be emotional or mental in origin but have physical symptoms. Psychosomatic illnesses are not imaginary. They are physical disorders in which both emotions and thought patterns are believed to play a central role, and usually develop when a person's disease-fighting ability is weakened due to stress. After a particularly stressful event, like the loss of a loved one, for example, an individual might develop high blood pressure shortly afterward or even have a heart attack. In another person, the same situation might lead to a peptic ulcer or a series of asthma attacks. A third individual, equally as grief-stricken, might not get sick at all. For a psychosomatic illness to occur, a person must first be vulnerable in a particular body system. It's important for these illnesses to be recognized and treated soon as they occur.

President of the Psychological Society, sacked for misconduct

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Sacked psychologist: why I fell for violent criminal
by Donna Chisholm - Sunday Star Times | Sunday, 10 August 2008
http://www.stuff.co.nz/sundays...

THE FORMER high-flying psychologist struck off for her love affair with a violent prisoner says bullying by mental health worker colleagues left her vulnerable to the man's advances.

Keriata Paterson, the former president of the Psychological Society, was found guilty of professional misconduct for her affair with the man she had counselled in jail.

Now she says she may never recover from the abusive relationship which cost her her career.

The Health Practitioners Disciplinary Tribunal heard last week the pair had had an intermittent 14-month relationship after the man described as a "high risk, serious violent offender" was released from jail early last year. His name is suppressed.

Paterson acknowledged the irony of a person who had been trained to recognise the psychology and politics of domestic violence submitting to an abusive relationship and being unable to get out of it on her own.

She became attracted to him while counselling him in a residential violence prevention programme and, after he told her he thought she was beautiful and reminded him of his late wife, she reported her feelings to superiors and ended the counselling sessions.

Paterson, 52, of Thames, said she then "descended into a state of deep depression, anxiety and emotional paralysis", could not complete work required and was sacked by Corrections.

The prisoner phoned her repeatedly after his release and when they met in March last year, they began a relationship which she knew was inappropriate, misguided and unethical.

"I had no job and I was in such a bad way that I was operating at some pretty primal survival level. I just thought I have love being offered to me and I was too stupid to realise that the person who was offering me that was setting himself up through me. He had no money and no home so he took all my money and moved into my home.

"Remember how they did those experiments on baby monkeys where they put them in wire cages with fur around the wire and every time they wanted to be nurtured they got hit? That's what it felt like to be in this relationship."

She said many of her problems began when she was bullied in a former mental health job.

"The team leader frequently referred to my weight and physical characteristics and I became increasingly isolated and tearful." She took a personal grievance but later withdrew it and resigned.

"I kind of lost respect for my profession. I found that the kind people were few and far between. I was trying to do the best for people," she said.

"I have always worked with a caring heart."

She has learned that "you can't take risks with your profession" but adds "there is a very judgemental part of the profession and the fact that I was president of the society kind of made it more exciting for them to oust me".

When her relationship with the former prisoner became abusive, she fled several times to a women's refuge.

"I think I kept on trying because he was so hurt by life. He was so charming at first. He could be so beautiful, so spiritual. He cooked for me and at times he was caring. We talked of love and a relationship. He asked me to marry him.

"He knew all the right things to say and I used to believe him until I would get this icy blast of reality.

"He threatened to stab me in the heart. He punched me in the head."

Her friends, she said, wanted him dead. "They want him in the ocean. They thought he was going to kill me and they didn't want to come to my tangi. But they don't realise I still have incredible feelings for him."

Paterson's former lesbian lover Jos Erickson, with whom she was in a relationship for eight years and who is still her closest friend, became so concerned for her safety that she alerted police and the Probation Service to the relationship.

"I was angry at her for calling the police because it resulted in him being put in jail for breaching his parole conditions but she had to do something..."

The prisoner, she said, is out of jail and still in touch.

"He blames me for ruining his life."

Antidepressants involved in 77 percent of reported suicides

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New data shows antidepressants and neuroleptics involved in 77 percent of reported suicides

A unique new report gives detailed data about suicides and psychiatric drugs.

Stockholm Sweden 8/08/2008 03:37 p.m. GMT (TransWorldNews)

In the marketing material of antidepressants and neuroleptics it is claimed that the drugs "correct a chemical imbalance in the brain", are "adjusting the imbalance of chemicals". It is claimed that these drugs protect against suicide.

The data in this report shows the opposite:

In the group studied the men and women, in an overwhelming high degree, had committed suicide after having been treated with large amounts of psychiatric drugs in the year before and at the time of their suicide.

Read the full report on http://jannel.se/suicide.psych...

Blow for breast cancer patients

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Blow for breast cancer patients
http://tvnz.co.nz/view/page/41...
Aug 7, 2008 6:10 PM

Leighton Smith on 1ZB news talk back, this morning, had many calls on the subject, many were emotional. Leighton stated many times that the success rate of the treatment was 13% or there was some hope for 13 out of 100. No guarantee even on those figures??

Jacky Blue, National Health Spokesperson and breast cancer physician said that the National Government would sponsor the drug based on those statistics [13% success rate. Less than placebo effect]. That's the message I got anyway. No wonder the health system is broke$$$.

As placebo effect has a success rate of between 20 - 40 % and cost virtually nothing it would be a better cure than the above at $100,000 a year per person???

I would put this cure up there with Stem Cell Sauce based on those figures?

Toss pot rubish.

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"If you want to understand it properly get educated on it. I'm not running classes on this post"

Ok, so you came on here to just say how superior your profession is and that physical healers are a waste of time. You also want to state that PSH is very effective and that it can address 70% of mans ails.
You don't want to share anything about what it is and how it works other than meaningless phrases such as:

"Auditing: In an auditing session, the auditor helps another examine specific areas of their existence so they can rid themselves of unwanted spiritual conditions and increase awareness and ability."

Basically your not prepared to defend, explain or alleviate any suspicion towards what you do.
It sounds very mystical on the surface. Even the links you gave so that one could go an get "educated" were of a mystical nature. You then justified yourself by saying that you're really only into dianetics.

I have given you countless platforms to explain with and without boxes. You haven't. God knows why. But I give up trying.
I have granted you my attention, good will, an inquiring mind - and all you can say is piss off and get educated.

physical vs psycho healing."

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"The fact that I asked it, shows that we are past the point of physical vs psycho healing."

We might be past it in YOUR MIND??? You seem to PRETEND you know something about psychosomatic healing??? I suggest to you that what you think you know is even false. Physical healing is a totally different subject than psychosomatic healing.

Your trying to fit what I do into your little square. [physical healing]. It doesn't work like that.
I've stated many times what I do [handle the psychosomatic side [mental stress] of the illness or condition with auditing. Because it doesn't fit into your square box, you may be confused but that's your problem not mine.

If you want to understand it properly get educated on it. I'm not running classes on this post

Auditing
In an auditing session, the auditor helps another examine specific areas of their existence so they can rid themselves of unwanted spiritual conditions and increase awareness and ability.

Kevin

Kasper's picture

I take it your not aware of the difference??
You have not once stated specifically what it is....... Do you know?

Psychosomatic illnesses are treated within traditional medicine

KevinOwen's picture

"p.s. for any newbies: Psychosomatic illnesses are recognized and treated within traditional medicine, including psychiatry and psychology."

That's psychosomatic medicine, not psychosomatic healing. I take it your not aware of the difference??

Kevin

Kasper's picture

You did not answer my question. Your meant to treat it as an outline to write an explanation of what you do and how it fits in. The fact that I asked it, shows that we are past the point of physical vs psyco healing.
You have the liberty of diagnosing the patient. Use my example of the guy with fizz in his blood if you want. It will save time. I want you to state what YOU are actually going to do.

No, that wasn't the bet...

Ptgymatic's picture

...some scheme you came up with about two hours of talk...that wasn't a bet I ever expressed any interest in. I am willing to defend the claim that professional psychiatry and psychology, and medicine are light-years ahead of your "Dianetics" or "Scientology" in both theory and practice. THAT is what I am willing to defend.

Put my money where my mouth is? Sure. How to do that simply? I don't know. But don't misstate the issue here. It's not you versus me. It is that specific claim.

--Mindy

p.s. for any newbies: Psychosomatic illnesses are recognized and treated within traditional medicine, including psychiatry and psychology.

Kevin, who do you really think you are fooling.

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Patient presents with..... Condition or conditions

Medical history is....They usually tell me?

He has seen so and so,....... They usually tell me?

Patient has not responded to treatment thus far...... OK

Your consultation...Education on what I do and then start the healing process [auditing]

Your diagnosis and how you reached it..... Handle the stress [psychosomatic] related to the physical or mental condition.

Your treatment intervention ( this should be most of your word count, make sure your concise and clear here).....

Your expected result (little conclusion).....
In the first session an improvement or a handling of the condition, depending on whether it is acute or chronic.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

Enough with the snake oil already.

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Landon, I don't use snake oil. That's what you use to help your family isn't it??

Psychiatry: No Science, No Cures
http://www.cchr.org/video/psyc...

Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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"Reason I ask is because you have the stance of "my medicine works" and yours is hopeless."

Kasper, all treatments have some workability when you take into account placebo effect [20 - 40%]. If the problem is a physical problem, then physical treatment will handle it. If the problem is psychosomatic and you treat it with physical treatments, you are only treating the symptoms and the illness or condition will persist or become chronic.

If someone comes to me after 14 yrs of physical treatments and an army of physicians later, that have only resulted in the condition worsening, like the example you gave us, you don't have to be a scientist to work out the physical treatments didn't work??? Just because I point out that fact doesn't put the fault on me.

Mindy stated that Psychiatry, Psychology, Psychotherapy were light years ahead of what we had. I challenged her on that and put a $1000 bet on it with her. Maybe you would like to be the one to see who knows what and take the money?
The bet is that one must show in 2hrs what one knows and can do. How one does that is up to each individual. You can get the top psychiatrist, Psychologist, psychotherapist, medical doctor in New Zealand if you like, as they are all physical healers and are not up to scratch on psychosomatic healing. They might be able to point out that the condition maybe psychosomatic, as they have done for 50yrs but the treatments they minister are still physical in nature when the condition is psychosomatic. Nothing else they can do.

If someone else can help the person with psychosomatic healing, why is that so bad??? If the condition doesn't handle with psychosomatic healing, I would send the person back to the physical healer, as improvement in their health is the goal not who is better than the other. I couldn't care less who does the job as long as it gets done!!!!
If you can do it, great, it saves me doing it.

K

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Reason I ask is because you have the stance of "my medicine works" and yours is hopeless.
I am hoping that the little piece you write below will expose what you do in detail.
Of course you have to be willing because it will get criticized and interrogated. But I imagine you would be comfortable with all that.....

Kevin, who do you really think you are fooling

Kasper's picture

The last two posts you have had with Mindy really show your disingenuous remarks!
Give an example of a typical patient that walks through your door. Leave all the remarks about who has failed them thus far, out of it.

Patient presents with.....
Medical history is....
He has seen so and so,.......
Patient has not respond to treatment thus far......

Your consultation...
Your diagnosis and how you reached it.....
You treatment intervention ( this should be most of your word count, make sure your concise and clear here).....
Your expected result (little conclusion).....

Kevin

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Enough with the snake oil already.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

"Psychosomatic illness is a recognized phenomenon

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"Psychosomatic illness is a recognized phenomenon in medicine, psychiatry, and psychology. Professionals are perfectly willing to identify it as such."

I agree it is well recognized but the above physical healers all treat it with physical treatments showing their lack of any understanding of the subject outside of treating the symptoms.

Your statements indicate that you are unfamiliar and have no knowledge of what I do but because your profession is so backward in that area, you think no-one else could do it.
Hence your futile attacks.

"Your claim of being able to cure a psychosomatic illness in a single session, or a few hours is not just disingenous: hyperbole to sell your quack services; it is false advertising bordering on the criminal."

It would make your lot look like the fools your are,
wouldn't it. That's the real reason you get upset about it
I don't treat the physical illness itself, only the mental derangement causing it which then allows the person to heal himself, whereas he couldn't before.

The human body was found to be extremely capable of repairing itself when the stored memories of pain were cancelled. Further it was discovered that so long as the stored pain remained, the doctoring of what are called psychosomatic ills, such as arthritis, could not
result in anything permanent.
Psychotherapy, not knowing about pain storage and its effects discovered long ago that one could rid a patient of one illness only to have another pop up -and psychotherapy became a defeatist school because it could do nothing permanent for the abberrated or the ill even when it could do a little something to relieve it. Hence, all efforts to make men vital and well became suspect because the reason they were inefficient and ill had not been discovered and proven.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

On the contrary,

Ptgymatic's picture

Psychosomatic illness is a recognized phenomenon in medicine, psychiatry, and psychology. Professionals are perfectly willing to identify it as such.

There is due caution about jumping to that conclusion, as physiological causes need to be ruled out, less an unrecognized disease process progress past remedy while the person is spending months in psychotherapy!

Your claim of being able to cure a psychosomatic illness in a single session, or a few hours is not just disingenous: hyperbole to sell your quack services; it is false advertising bordering on the criminal.

--Mindy

Ewing Stevens The God Father of Radio Live

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I was listening to Ewing last night when a gentleman rang with some health issues.
He was experiencing chronic flushes, his hands and feet were tingling and his eye was twitching
He had just been to a medical doctor [ how many doctors one can only guess??] prior to this and
was informed that the problem was psychological. [thanks for nothing doc]
Which one or all of the problems was unclear from what he said.
Ewing, with his physical healing experience [chemist and naturopath], went through each symptom
but, at the end, the gentleman was no wiser as to what could cause such symptoms.
It was interesting to hear the physical healer at work as he looked for a physical reason for the
problem.

The gentleman also stated, because the medical doctor had said the symptoms were psychological
"I don't think a psychiatrist would be able to do anything" and Ewing agreed with him.

The above scenario is going on around the country and costing billions of dollars, when
conditions like the above could be handle simply by anyone trained in psychosomatic healing.

If he would of come to me, I would of handled all of the symptoms he was experiencing in one session,
[ in a couple of hours ] as they were all psychosomatic , but now he might have to visit the army
of physicians [ physical healers] on the medical gravy train and still be no better off.

If the condition is psychosomatic, no physical healer would even know where to start to handle it.
I would say very few physical healers even know the technology to handle psychosomatic conditions even exists.
Ewing doesn't anyway.

Anyone for some medical SPEED [non addictive???]

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Dream drug for couch potatoes?
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/25...
July 31: A study of a drug called AICAR showed sedentary
mice that took the drug for four weeks burned more calories and had less fat than untreated mice. NBC's Robert Bazell reports.

Drugs essentially are poisons. The degree they are taken
determines the effect. A small amount gives a stimulant
(increases activity). A greater amount acts as a sedative
(suppresses activity). A larger amount acts as a poison and
can kill one. This is true of any drug. Each requires a different amount.
Caffeine is a drug, so coffee is an example. One hundred cups of coffee would probably kill a person. Ten cups would probably put him to sleep. Two or three cups stimulates. This is a very common drug. It is not very harmful as it takes so much of it to have an effect. So it is known as a stimulant.
Arsenic is known as a poison. Yet a tiny amount of arsenic is a stimulant, a good-sized dose puts one to sleep and a few grains kills one.
But there are many drugs which have another liability: they
directly affect the mind.
http://www.scientologyhandbook...

Where Did The Man From Mud Theory Come From????

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Man From Mud [full article]
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

It is often amusing to catch "science" out in its pompous parade of authority and gadgetry, and often amazing that some fields are not arrested for "false pretenses.

Amongst those present in this parade is the modern "biologist" with his modern "Man from Mud" theory. According to the professors in this "field," man is an animal who arose as a result of a spontaneous accident from a "sea of ammonia" and by the stages of development called "evolution," arrived at the proud estate of a two-legged wog. This is the theory taught as the theory in.
most universities today.

medical science

KevinOwen's picture

"medical science can't hold a candle to the awesome discoveries of Scamtoology."

They can if they want to? All the people I have helped down here are on record. The problems they came to me for were being treated endlessly over decades, without any improvement but cease to exist not long after my help with Psychosomatic Healing.

If you know anyone that wants to hold the candle, let me know. I don't come cheap?

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

I'd be interested in your cure for prostrate cancer.

KevinOwen's picture

Sorry mate, I'm too busy. I thought there was something bothering you. Thanks for the offer though. Maybe next life time?? Good luck and hope you get well soon. Cheers.

Kev

gregster's picture

I'd be interested in your cure for prostrate cancer.

Is that the one when you can't get up in the morning?

If I rev up my e-meter on "on" you could talk me through it.

Can you spell 'Abiraterone'? can you spell 'stem cell sauce'?

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Depressingly stupid and misinformed cult propagandist Kevin Boom-boom Owen gives a hint that progress in treatment of refractory prostate cancer has been found.

Culty Kevin does not refer to any particular source for his information, so we can't know if he has faithfully reported the essence of the news. Here is a report from the BBC. The drug is called abiraterone.

Although Kevin seems befuddled that abiraterone should not become immediately available at the local chemist, being ignorant of the procedure of drug trials, it almost seems as if he believes that medical science has made some progress. Or maybe not. His mention of 'stem cell sauce' alerts us to the underlying defect in his reasoning: medical science can't hold a candle to the awesome discoveries of Scamtoology.

WSS

New pill for prostrate cancer suffers.

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This could be a major break through for prostrate cancer sufferers. My understanding is that it helps those, that all other physical treatments have failed to help? Does that mean it can only be used on those, once all other failed physical treatments have been tried?
It does offer HOPE [placebo effect] though. I wonder how much funding they want for this breakthrough?
It want be ready for consumption until 2011, so those waiting for it are out of luck and will have to stick
with the failed physical treatments? This kind of break through puts a man in awe. I would put this research, up there with Stem Cell Sauce Research. Cheers.

"Putting a science-fictiony

Jmaurone's picture

"Putting a science-fictiony veneer over it doesn't actually make it new."

 

Or, to quote Han Solo: “Hokey religions and ancient weapons are no substitute for a good blaster at your side.” 

Sorry

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All you've done is proven to me that you're just repeating ideas that are as old as time and just as flawed today if not more so than they were when they were claimed by people with a bronze age understanding of the world. Putting a science-fictiony veneer over it doesn't actually make it new.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

That was their claims not ours.

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"Christianity and Judiaism made similar claims as Scientology 2000 years ago, and almost all of those claims have been proven wrong in that time."

The piece below is from the Forward in the Book,
"The Fundamentals Of Thought". If you read it,
remember you were the one that decided to, I didn't force you to. You have the ability to accept it, comment on it, or reject it, without flying into a schizophrenic episode.

Fundamentals Of Thought

Forward

This Thin Book is a summation, if brief, of the results of
fifty thousand years of thinking men. Their materials, researched and capped by a quarter of a century of original search by L.Ron Hubbard, have bought the humanities, so long outdistanced by the "exact sciences" into a state of equality, if not superiority, to physics, chemistry and mathematics.

Mr Hubbard, an American, studied nuclear physics at George Washington University in Washington, DC, before he started his studies about the mind, spirit and life. This explains the mathematical precision of the Scientology Religion.

What has been attempted by a thousand universities and foundations, at a cost of billions has been completed quietly here.

This is how life works. This is how you change men and women and children for the better.

The use or neglect of this material may well determine the use or neglect of the atomic bomb by man. Scientology is already winning in this field. In the same period in history, two of the most sweeping forces Man has known have come to fruition; A knowledge of himself and others with Scientology; a means of destroying himself and all
others by atomic fission. Which force wins depends in a large measure on your use of Scientology.

Equipped with this book alone, the student of Scientology can begin a practice and perform seeming miracles in changing the states of well being, ability and intelligence of people.

No such knowledge has before existed, and no such results
have ever before been attainable by Man as those that can be reached by a study of this brief volume.

Give this book to a man or a woman with an inquiring nature, a man or woman with associates who need a better life, and let that man or woman study this volume carefully and apply it. Change and a better life will result.

Scientology is today around the world, represented on every
continent on earth with hundreds of millions of books in circulation.

We trust you will find this volume of use and hope that by placing it in your hands, you and many others can lead better lives.

Vested interest

Landon Erp's picture

If by vested interest you mean that any time the woman I love tries to forego their use she becomes a danger to herself and everyone around her. Talking about cutting aliens out of her stomach with a knife or hatching plans to kill every member of our household as a way for us to avoid any further pain.

As compared to her being a happy caring person who has a particular fondness for animals, stuffed animal toys and science and mathmatics. Yeah I'd agree I have a vested interest in both her and I staying alive and happy as opposed to counting on snake oil therapy which hasn't undergone any re-evaluation since its development likely under the effect of a schitzophrenic delusion or a con scheme.

Real science changes as new information becomes available. When was the last time Scientology changed? Christianity and Judiaism made similar claims as Scientology 2000 years ago, and almost all of those claims have been proven wrong in that time.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

That's your function Kev

gregster's picture

if your intention is to slow or stop the Scientology movement

Your scrawlings on psychics and healing are indicative of scientology's madness and EVIL. Your leader even tells you to desist.

From the 1971 Foster report

"No reputable psychologist would accept the procedure of pulling people off the street with a leaflet, giving them a 'personality test' and reporting back in terms that show the people to be 'inadequate', 'unacceptable' or in need of 'urgent' attention.

In a clinical setting a therapist would only discuss a patient's inadequacies with him with the greatest of circumspection and support, and even then only after sufficient contact for the therapist-patient relationship to have been built up.

To report back a man's inadequacies to him in an automatic, impersonal fashion is unthinkable in responsible professional practice. To do so is potentially harmful. It is especially likely to be harmful to the nervous introspective people who would be attracted by the leaflet in the first place.

The prime aim of the procedure seems to be to convince these people of their need for the corrective courses run by the Scientology organisations."

A Quick Look at the recent Scientology Bashes

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We have a retired psychologist, psychotherapist, married to a practicing psychiatrist, so she says, and their vested interests.

We have Landon and his vested interest in psychiatric drugs.

Then we have the schizophrenic behavior of William Screech [light therapist??] and his mate, L.Ron.Hubbard, probably one in the same??

You are probably doing more damage to your own reputation and philosophy [objectivism] than you are to me, but I suppose you didn't think of that in your moment of madness.

I suggest to you all, that if your intention is to slow or stop the Scientology movement, come up with a better plan than your mad dog approach. Cheers.

Those Who Oppose Scientology
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...
Although the forty-year assault against Scientology® assumed large proportions, the source must be remembered-that small but influential circle of psychiatrists and their government stooges. Nor did the means change over the years: false allegations selectively planted in the media, then seeded into even more federal files as background “fact.”

Thanks Kasper.

KevinOwen's picture

"It is unacceptable and I wish to place my vote that you be formally moderated on this site!"

Thanks Kasper. It does highlight the inteligence level of the average Scientology Basher. [lacking all reason] Cheers.

Get some help mate

KevinOwen's picture

"Kevin, you are stupid, socially retarded, ignorant and grievously misinformed -- Leonid is neither psychiatrist or nor psychologist. He is a cardiologist, you fucking moron."

Maybe some light therapy. You seem to have lost your blue tinge?? Cheers

Scientology Bashes
They all seem to have one thing in common though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

Ahem

Ptgymatic's picture

I wrote that "I'm outa here" bit in the heat of having just read the totally un-funny threat. I did not mean to issue an ultimatum sort of thing.  Even though I meant every word of it, I shouldn't have worded it that way.

--Mindy

Ron

Kasper's picture

I don't care whether you meant that message for Mr Owen in humor or whether it was a proper threat.

It is unacceptable and I wish to place my vote that you be formally moderated on this site!

This behaviour is not acceptable you have blatently broken the rules on this site.!

1) "In dealing with non- or anti-Objectivists, remember the objective is to persuade rather than intimidate, bully or disgust."

2) "When posting, remember the “Three Gs”—good faith, good will and good humour. If the second two are rendered impossible, the first is still a minimum requirement."

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