Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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Submitted by Anonymous on Thu, 2007-10-18 08:24

Spiritual and Mental Stress [psychosomatic], cause a large proportion of physical and mental illnesses, experienced by individuals.

These physical symptoms are then diagnosed by the Medical Doctor and Psychiatrists etc and treated with physical treatments. [Medication, operations, chemotherapy etc]

As the medical model mainly deals with the physical symptoms and has virtually no cures for these illnesses, and never will, they become acute or chronic and need long-term treatment.

When the Spiritual and Mental aspects of the psycosomatic illness or injury are handled with different forms of Psychotherapy, the symptoms improve and in many cases cease to exist.

All illness should be handled with Spiritual and Mental Therapies [psychotherapy] if possible, as medication or drugs are not needed to get improvement and it has no side effects. The improvement is rapid, as after therapy the person is aware that his/her condition has improved.

Many operations are not needed when the above psychotherapies are used on the physical or mental condition or problem. Work stress can be lessened quickly without medications. All injuries, healing of them can be sped up. Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...


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How strongly you feel!

Ptgymatic's picture

Total passion for the total snipe, is it?

--Mindy

Mr Fake Identity Fraud

William Scott Scherk's picture

Some goofus straining at humour has been allowed to put up a fiction in place of a real name and real photo, which is contrary to this site's guidelines.

Whoever the doofus is, he has nothing whatsoever to do with me. We have shared nothing, let alone one or more dissertations.

I don't support Mr Doofus's hidey-hole humour, nor do I support the cult wacko being banned.

WSS

Mr. Hubbard

Ptgymatic's picture

That's despicable. That's a death threat. Funny picture doesn't change it. You might as well join in the hunt for Salmon Rushdie.

What's with the false identity thing, anyway? Contrary to Mark, I don't think it's OK as long as he's attacking odious people.

This is a deal-breaker with me. Either that post is removed, the false identity eliminated, and Mr. Owen gets an apology, or I'm outa here. (Yes, I hear the cheers.)

--Mindy

Mr Owen

L Ron Hubbard's picture

Salutations Comrade,

You have forced my hand notwithstanding a 'cease and desist' order in place. My patience in observing your renegade behaviour is somewhat stretched.

We here at the Confederacy will not condone behaviours deleterious to optimum incomes. Do not forget - I know where you are - this Class A directive in Council is hereby upgraded to lethal. Check your scout manual, this is not a laughing matter Son.

Mr Scherk and I have shared numerous dissertations. If he says it's time to exit, I too, strongly remind you of this expedient.

Evidence

Brant Gaede's picture

I don't have time to read this thread, but the author provided no evidence for his first sentence. 

--Brant

Dr Kevin v Dr Leonid

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin, you are stupid, socially retarded, ignorant and grievously misinformed -- Leonid is neither psychiatrist or nor psychologist. He is a cardiologist, you fucking moron.

Leonid, myself, and others in this interminable propaganda thread are ignorant of your particular treatment because you are too stupid or craven to relate the details here despite patient inquiry.

You can't track a discussion. You can't understand what evidence is, nor apply a critical razor to your own practices. You pretend that the processes in your therapy are some great mystery as well as some great leap forward in the healing arts. They aren't. They are fraudulent, ignorant, umoored to consensual reality, and of near zero value.

We know what Chirch 'auditing' is, you creepy pointless lunatic. We know what 'engrams' are. We know what Chirch past-life regression is. We know what the Scientology cult claims about the mind, the spirit and the body, up to and including the arch-fiend Xenu, body thetans, and other witless science-fiction muck masquerading as reason. We know what you are peddling with these witless forays.

There is something pathetic about your zealotry, Kevin. There is zero interest in your demented cultist ravings here. The verdict is in. You are a dope, a dupe and a quack.

To Kasper and Mindy: don't feed the troll; he is not able to spell, think, argue or even get his pants on safely without assistance from the Chirch.

Kevin Owen: cult halfwit. L Ron Hubbard, dead whack job:

WSS

"Don't take for granted that

KevinOwen's picture

"Don't take for granted that this case study, which has obvious PS problems, took multiple medical deductions and time to formulate, for it to become obvious"

Every case that comes to me has been through the same Medical Gravy Train. I don't care where they go first. That's there choice based on what they know. But once they come to me and I help them, it is very rare that they go to the physical healer first, if they have a problem.
If the condition is psychosomatic, the physical healer is not going to help them anyway is he.

Check out the statement on my website below. Cheers

Psychosomatic Healing
http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

If your stress or condition is not improving rapidly under the treatment you are presently recieving, it is time to try Psychosomatic Healing.

The Hoax of "Chemical Imbalance"

KevinOwen's picture

"The bottom line is that there is no gap for you to fill, Mr. Owen. I am deliberately leaving out the question of whether there is any merit to what you would like to fill that fictional gap with."

That might be your bottom line and thanks for your opinion?? Time will tell?? It may pay to look at your own and your husbands profession for fiction. I assure you there is plenty to find.

When I first posted this topic I had it out with our local Psychiatrist, Leonid and after rubbishing me for some time and making a fool of himself, conceded he didn't know anything about the psychosomatic healing I use. [see comments below] He did say he discusses psychosomatic treatment but that doesn't mean he delivers any or has any success with it. Cheers

Leonid Wrote "I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment but I discuss psychosomatic treatment as a whole."

PSYCHIATRY,
BETRAYING AND
DRUGGING CHILDREN
FOR PROFIT

The Hoax of "Chemical Imbalance"

Through massive promotion and
marketing campaigns, psychiatric drugs
are increasingly prescribed as the panacea
for life's inevitable crises and challenges.
Psychiatry's most recent campaign is the
much touted theory of the

"chemical imbalance" in the brain, or
"neurological disorder."
Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:
... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...

Patients [have] been diagnosed with
"chemical imbalances" despite the fact that
no test exists to support such a claim, and ...
there is no real conception of what a correct
chemical balance would look like.
When this pitch is successfully used to
secure the cooperation of unwitting
parents it establishes a dangerous
precedent.

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on Human Rights
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
P.O. Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org

cchr@xtra.co.nz

Kevin

Kasper's picture

Taking things for granted. If the initial complaint which maybe Low back pain or parasthesia in the arm - psychosomatic healing will be the last thing on the hypothesis list. Which is why these patients like all others go through multiple tests. More often than not, these patients have a physical problem. If your trying to tell me that PSH's should be the first port of call or even close to it, then thats crazy.
Don't take for granted that this case study, which has obvious PS problems, took multiple medical deductions and time to formulate, for it to become obvious

Shaving practices aside...

Ptgymatic's picture

I think I see the message here: The medical branch of psychology is inept, because most criminals are recidivists. (You recall, it's psychiatrists who are at fault for not rehabilitating prisoners.) That leaves the medical profession without any concern for the human mind, and since they can't address psychological problems, they sell the poor patient useless physical tests and treatments.

Psychiatry and Clinical psychology, however, represent the best scientific knowledge we have about a person's mental/emotional functioning. All M.D.s study psychiatry. Particularly with the aim of being able to correctly refer patients.

The bottom line is that there is no gap for you to fill, Mr. Owen. I am deliberately leaving out the question of whether there is any merit to what you would like to fill that fictional gap with.

--Mindy

 

How would yours help such a man?

KevinOwen's picture

"He needs therapy, I'd say. Question is, what sort of therapy? How would yours help such a man?"

From that case you can see he has many symptoms [psychosomatic]. That's the only diagnoses I make.
No tests, no drugs, and no army of physicians.

It would take about 20hrs of psychosomatic healing, over a month to get rid of most of the psychosomatic symptoms [physical and mental]. Even though he has many different symptoms, the cause is the same [the mind generating illness, in the body] From there he would be back in a condition where he could heal himself naturally, like the rest of us do and out of the medical gravy train.

The article below gives a simple explanation of what can be done.

The Discoveries Of Dianetics
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n... [full article]

One of the basic discoveries of Dianetics was that unconsciousness and all the pain
attendant upon it was stored in a part of the mind and that this pain and unconsciousness
accumulated until it caused the organism to begin to die
Another discovery of Dianetics was that this pain could be nullified or erased with a return to full consciousness and a rehabilitation toward survival.
In other words, with Dianetics, it became possible to cancel out the accumulated
unconsciousness and pain of the years and restore the health and vitality of an organism.

psychosomatic!

KevinOwen's picture

Doctors who can't figure out something like this are all too quick to think it is, in fact, psychosomatic! Fact is, most patients don't like that idea, and resist going."

The poor old doctor doesn't even know what psychosomatic is himself, so how could he explain it correctly to his patient.

After the doctor explains to the patient what he thinks it is, the patient goes away thinking the doctor has said it is all in your mind.

If the doctor had a any clue of the mechanics of psychosomatic illness, he maybe
able to get the message across properly.

Its hard to teach old dogs new tricks. Maybe they will have to stubble on like chickens without heads for another decade??

psychologists or counselors

KevinOwen's picture

"We are not psychologists or counselors so cannot counsel or attempt to psycho analyze these patients."

I wouldn't give them to much credit. There failure to do something for the patient, other than treat their psychosomatic symptoms with physical treatments, can keep a person on drugs for life and at vast expense to the Tax Payer.

PSYCHIATRIC DIAGNOSIS
MANUFACTURING MADNESS
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Webster's [dictionary] defines fiction as "anything
made up or imagined. "Anyone reviewing psychiatry's
Diagnostic and Statistical Manual (DSM) and
the mental health section of' the International
Classification of Diseases (ICD: tenth version)
would find it difficult to place it in, any other
category. They are literally psychiatry's "bible"
of invented mental illnesses. Of course, psychiatry
will protest that they do not invent the behaviors
defined. And this is true the behaviors are often
observable. However psychiatry's unscientific and
arbitrary bundling together of behaviors and
emotions under the fraudulent tag of "mental
illness" is pure fabrication - calculated to further
the myth of mental illness and precipitate a Mental
Health State.

For more information contact:
Citizen's Commission on Human Rights®
Ph/Fax 09-3733897
PO Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.psychcrime.org
http://www.cchr.org

cchr@xtra.co.nz

Admittedly these guys took far too long.

KevinOwen's picture

"Medical professionals need to know their limits. Admittedly these guys took far too long."

The problem is they don't. They have invaded the field of psychosomatic illness, pretending to know something about it
The field belongs to those that can do the job and weather they like or not, that is us. Get use to it.

I do sympathise with them, as they have nothing else to offer the dude. Like most on solo, they wouldn't even be aware that there was such a technology as Psychosomatic Healing.

If you were to mention it to them, they would think you were talking about Psychosomatic Medicine, which is the treating of psychosomatic symptoms [physical] with physical treatments.

Psychosomatic Healing is using exact thought processes with precision and a 90% to 100% success rate.

What would you think of a profession or anyone, that would attack such a philosophy just to protect its vested interest??? I assure you they didn't have the patients interest at hand.

Re-reading your last post, Mr. Owen:

Ptgymatic's picture

As the number of unsuccessful work-ups, by different specialists, grew, this man would have been referred for psychological evaluation by any but the most backwards general practitioner or internist.

Frankly, I don't believe it didn't happen. Doctors who can't figure out something like this are all too quick to think it is, in fact, psychosomatic! Fact is, most patients don't like that idea, and resist going.

Whatever did happen, this is NOT a typical case.

--Mindy

Physiotherapy

Kasper's picture

Would play a role here as part of a mental health team. It would address hyperventilation syndrome by breathing techniques, stress by relaxation classes and possibly touch (massage) which can be powerful for these patients. We are not psychologists or counselors so cannot counsel or attempt to psycho analyze these patients.

The army of physicians

Kasper's picture

13 years is unacceptable yes.
The physicians have done what they know and have ruled out all other possibilities. This of course should be done and has been achieved.
Parasthesia could well have been neurological/orthopaedic issues, hormones, cancer. Due to the rarity of these cases, Kevin, and a whole multitude of other possibilities I would say that the safest bet for him was to go through the physicians with his initial complaint.

Had it been the other way round and there was something nasty lingering in his body - and he was kept in front of a guy who thinks "I can solve your problem it will just take time", would have resulted in shit hitting the fan.

Medical professions need to know their limits. Admittedly these guys took far too long.

There are indeed psychosomatic cases

Ptgymatic's picture

And this sounds like one of them. Still, drugs to alleviate, even if on an interim basis, his anxiety and depression would probably be a good idea. "Psycho-somatic" is still psycho and somatic!

He needs therapy, I'd say. Question is, what sort of therapy? How would yours help such a man?

Mindy

13 years has experienced low back and neck pain with parasthesia

KevinOwen's picture

"We met David in a case study two weeks back. He is 39 years of age and for the last 13 years has experienced low back and neck pain with paresthesia (altered sensation)in his right arm, which he describes as "bubbles in the blood and a fizzing sensation".

"He has undergone assessments in the following departments: gastroenterology, medicine, orthopedics, surgery, infectious diseases and rheumatology but no physical pathology has been demonstrated."

"I absolutely agree with Mindy here, Kevin. Safety is first and most definitely the physical healers should be the first port of call"

Kasper, it was the first port of call, 13 yrs ago. When are you animals going to help the poor buggar!!! You and all the above are looking at the problem from a physical healer's viewpoint and you evaluate the problem with that knowledge etc. That's all you can do. None of the above have a clue what psychosomatic healing is and what it can do for the person. If you think they have, let's put some money [$1000] on it and get it over with. That's not putting them down for what they do, it's just stating a fact.

Looking at your case above it would of been handled by the psychosomatic healer 13 yrs ago, long before the army of physical healers collected their dosh for their endless tests. They should have to all refund the monies they recieved, as what they did for him was worthless. I have to give the person's money back up to 3 months after, if he's not happy with the service I deliver. I point out to you that he hasn't been helped yet and will develop more psychosomatic symptoms until they kill him. Keep your labelling books open.

When someone is helped he gets improvement in his condition, he doesn't worsen for the next 13 yrs.

The army of physicians above are just doing what they know.
Labeling psychosomatic symptoms and endlessly treating them as the condition continues to worsen

If ones wants to handle the cause of psychosomatic conditions, he's not going to do it with physical treatments
Cheers.

Kevin

Kasper's picture

"We would both warn people not to take Mr. Kevin Owen's advice to substitute psychotherapy for primary medical diagnosis and treatment."
I absolutely agree with Mindy here, Kevin. Safety is first and most definitely the physical healers should be the first port of call unless it is so obvious that a direct self-referrel to a psychologist is justifiable.
The very bases for psychosomatic healing is that it is an end of line treatment for those whom are deemed by the medical profession to have no known physical problem or cannot have anything done for them.
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We met David in a case study two weeks back. He is 39 years of age and for the last 13 years has experienced low back and neck pain with parasthesia (altered sensation)in his right arm, which he describes as "bubbles in the blood and a fizzing sensation". The onset of these symptoms followed the failure of his business and a marital breakdown. More recently he has been diagnosed as having irritable bowel syndrome and ME. He has difficulty concentrating, feels tired and his muscles are painful and tender.

He has undergone assessments in the following departments: gastroenterology, medicine, orthopedics, surgery, infectious diseases and rheumatology but no physical pathology has been demonstrated.

Davids response to his problem is to rest as he claims a previous course of physiotherapy made his symptoms worse and he is hoping for some relief from homeopathic remedies and vitamin supplements he currently consumes. He acknowledges his symptoms are increased by stress, which he claims is further proof that he needs to rest. over the past year, David has noticed an increased frequency of panic attacks and these have prompted his GP to refer David to physiotherapy regarding hyperventilation syndrome and training relaxation techniques.
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This was part of our mental health module but what I want to point out is that he is a typical candidate of psychosomatic illnesses. These are rare and again very end of line.

We have problems with altruists of all stripes.

KevinOwen's picture

Fair enough to.

Altruism: unselfish concern for the welfare of others.

Man suspects all offers to help. He has often been betrayed, his confidence shattered. Too frequently he has given his trust and been betrayed. L.Ron Hubbard

New one and your scrawlings still register zero!

KevinOwen's picture

You have to turn it on first Gregster, before it will register. You have got the on - off knob on test????

The e-meter is the main reason Dianetics and Scientology can't be infiltrated by those that have evil intentions. We put them on the meter and it shows them for what they are before they get a foot in the door? Cheers.

E-meter
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...
Unique to the Scientology® religion — and revolutionary in the field of spiritual development — is the use by auditors of the electropsychometer®, or E-Meter. Auditors use the E-Meter to help isolate areas of spiritual travail or upset that exist below a person's current awareness. Once brought to light, such trouble areas can then be examined by the individual without the subjective influences that attend spiritual counseling practices of other religions.

Far from broken down

gregster's picture

New one and your scrawlings still register zero!

You can rest at ease

Landon Erp's picture

We have problems with altruists of all stripes.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

Trying to talk up how much you help others to Objectivists

KevinOwen's picture

"Trying to talk up how much you help others to Objectivists is kind of like trying to impress a Muslim with your pigfarm or a Hindu with how well you make a steak,"

Landon, that makes me feel better. I was a bit worried that an objectivist may look our way but you've put my mind at rest. Cheers

Word to the wise Kevin

Landon Erp's picture

Trying to talk up how much you help others to Objectivists is kind of like trying to impress a Muslim with your pigfarm or a Hindu with how well you make a steak,

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

All those reads are your Scientology mates.

KevinOwen's picture

As far as I'm aware there are none on Solo. They are all to busy helping others. Wrong again aye!! Where's your fucko meter? It hasn't broken down, has it.

Kev

gregster's picture

You cheeky bugger. All those reads are your Scientology mates. All three of them in concert.

Psychosomatic Healing

KevinOwen's picture

I only put this site up a week ago and its already coming up second on Google and first on Yahoo, when you put psychosomatic healing in as a search topic. Why don't some of you try it? Cheers.

Google
Psychosomatic Healing: With a reduction in Mental and Physical ... Psychosomatic Healing. Using different forms of psychotherapy as an alternative form of healing. Handling the stress related to all illness. ...
www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz/ - 15k

Yahoo
Psychosomatic Healing: With a reduction in Mental and Physical Stress ...
Psychosomatic Healing. Using different forms of psychotherapy as an alternative form of healing. ... © 2008 Psychosomatic-Healing ...
www.psychosomatic-healing.co.nz - 15k - Cached

Not convinced yet Kev

KevinOwen's picture

There's still time Gregster?? If we take away your contribution to the subject [3 fucko meters] we still have over 2400 reads. Cheers.

Not convinced yet Kev

gregster's picture

Welcome to SOLO

KevinOwen's picture

My husband is a practicing psychiatrist
"I am a retired psychologist and psychotherapist.
Secondly, the efficacy of psychotherapy is hugely dependent on the practitioner."

I agree. You assume that what I use is the unworkable and obsolete, psychotherapy used by the psychiatrist, Psychologist, and psychotherapist etc??. I would appreciate it if you didn't tar with the same brush!!

Psychotherapy, not knowing about pain storage and its effects discovered long ago that one could rid a patient of one illness only to have another pop up -and psychotherapy became a defeatist school because it could do nothing permanent for the aberrated or the ill even when it could do a little something to relieve it. Hence, all efforts to make men vital and well became suspect because the reason they were inefficient and ill had not been discovered and proven.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"We would both warn people not to take Mr. Kevin Owen's advice to substitute psychotherapy for primary medical diagnosis and treatment."

Fair enough. If you had a lookeed at the cases below, you would of seen that all of them, came to me after many physical healer's had failed to help them. It might pay to know something about the subject before you give advice on it.

An assist is not a substitute for medical treatment and does not attempt to cure injuries requiring medical aid, but is complementary (adds) to it. It is even doubtful if full healing can be accomplished by medical treatment alone and it is certain that an assist greatly speeds recovery. In short, one should realize that physical healing does not take into account the being and the repercussion on the spiritual existence of the person.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"However psychiatry's unscientific and
arbitrary bundling together of behaviors and
emotions under the fraudulent tag of "mental
illness" is pure fabrication - calculated to further
the myth of mental illness and precipitate a Mental
Health State."
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Hyperbole regarding substituting psychotherapy for medicine

Ptgymatic's picture

 

This warning is probably superfluous, but just in case: 

I am a retired psychologist and psychotherapist. My husband is a practicing psychiatrist who turned to Psychiatry after having practiced Emergency Medicine for some years. We would both warn people not to take Mr. Kevin Owen's advice to substitute psychotherapy for primary medical diagnosis and treatment.  

While there are many physical problems that result from stress of some sort, it is insupportable to claim that all "medical" problems fall in this category. Even if a problem has stress as a cause, medical, rather than psychological, diagnosis and treatment should be one's first course of action. So, for example, if you have high blood pressure due to stress, get blood pressure meds, then see about ways to cope with, and, hopefully, eliminate the stress. Your heart is being damaged in the meantime!

Secondly, the efficacy of psychotherapy is hugely dependent on the practitioner. While in acute cases, I do believe that the "forced introspection" that psychotherapy involves is a good thing, its value over the long term depends on the sensibleness, experience, and good-will of the therapist.

 

GPs stuck in a rut when prescribing antidepressants

KevinOwen's picture

GPs stuck in a rut when prescribing antidepressants
Thursday 10th July 2008
http://www.managementinpractic...

A new study has shown that GPs may be taking a "one-size-fits-all" approach to those suffering from depression when it comes to prescribing antidepressant medication.

The research, published in Management Science, monitored the patterns of antidepressant drugs prescriptions in 108 GPs over a three-year period.

More than 9,000 prescriptions were filed, which identified a third of GPs as "responsive" prescribers who took into account their patients' specific needs, and 60% as "inertial" prescribers who did not necessarily make fully informed decisions.

The findings suggest that inertial physicians stopped paying attention to new research findings once they opt for a specific brand and persistently prescribe a few chosen drugs even when facing different patients who might have different needs.

Responsive prescribers appeared to try to match therapies to symptoms and are in regular contact with pharmaceutical companies to stay abreast of drug developments.

"This has important implications for patients and health policy," said Dr Catarina Sismeiro of Imperial College London's Tanaka Business School, which carried out the research. "Our preliminary study suggests that inertial GPs could prescribe less suitable treatments because of their habit persistence.

"As a consequence of inertial prescribing, some GPs may not be offering the most suitable or efficacious treatment."

Royal College of Psychiatrists'

KevinOwen's picture

http://www.medicalnewstoday.co...

Prozac Gene. Test Good For Patients, Royal College Of Psychiatrists
"People who suffer depression that does not respond to medication could be treated successfully if a simple genetic blood test was made more widely available in the UK. Four out of 10 people with depression have a genetic abnormality that prevents them responding to anti-depressant medication, according to research presented at the Royal College of Psychiatrists' Annual Meeting in London this week."

This must be a major break through for them [Royal College of Psychiatrists' ] ????

Millions Lost In Fruadulent Psychiatric Research.
http://www.justicefreedom.org/...
A five-year study of the hormonal mechanisms in the brains of rats which make them want to eat salt. Cost: $5 million

Psychiatry: No Science No Cures
http://www.cchr.org/video/psyc...

Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurobiological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:
... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...

PSYCHIATRY,
BETRAYING AND
DRUGGING CHILDREN
FOR PROFIT
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...
The Hoax of "Chemical Imbalance"
Through massive promotion and
marketing campaigns, psychiatric drugs
are increasingly prescribed as the panacea
for life's inevitable crises and challenges.
Psychiatry's most recent campaign is the
much touted theory of the "chemical
imbalance" in the brain, or
"neurobiological disorder."
Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurobiological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:

... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...

Patients [have] been diagnosed with
"chemical imbalances" despite the fact that
no test exists to support such a claim, and ...
there is no real conception of what a correct
chemical balance would look like.
When this pitch is successfully used to
secure the cooperation of unwitting
parents it establishes a dangerous
precedent.

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on Human Rights
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
P.O. Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org
cchr@xtra.co.nz

Psychosomatic Medicine

KevinOwen's picture

The article below shows the many disciplines trying to treat psychosomtic symptoms with physical treatments.
It doesn't look like they have advanced much since 1939?
Well done for trying. I suppose it keeps many in work [running around like chickens without heads].

Scope
www.psychosomaticmedicine.org/
Psychosomatic Medicine, founded in 1939, is the official journal of the American Psychosomatic Society. It publishes experimental and clinical studies of relationships among social, psychological, behavioral, and biological factors in humans and animals. It is an international, interdisciplinary journal devoted to experimental and clinical research in behavioral biology, psychiatry, psychology, physiology, and clinical medicine. The Journal has been bimonthly since 1945 but will begin publishing nine times a year in 2007. Supplementary issues may contain special series, monographs, or reports of conferences at which original research was presented in areas relevant to the Society.

Psychosomatic Healing

KevinOwen's picture

If you google psychosomatic healing, this page will come up second on google. Give it a few more weeks and it will come up first.

It might take a bit longer for my site to get there but it eventually will, as there are no others that really know what they are doing, when it comes to psychosomatic healing
Cheers.

http://www.psychosomatic-heali...

Fair enough

KevinOwen's picture

You may not, but the reads are up to 2200. Someone must give a f**k. Cheers.

A PAPER ON THE DIFFICULTIES OF RESEARCHING IN THE HUMANITIES
A summary of Scientology for scientists. 1969.
http://freedom.lronhubbard.org...

Kev

gregster's picture

I'm not really sure what you expect on this forum?

KevinOwen's picture

The plug of your 'know how' versus the 'great ignorance'.

My know how comes from studying and practicing the subject, the same as your know how comes from practising and studying your field [physical healing]. The great ignorance as you put it comes from not studying it and practicing it, and even worst, unable to look at it, because of imagined reasons.

Remember, you decided that it was mystical, based on your 5 minutes of reading? To investigate the mystical you will have to look outside the square of the physical healer, something most of them can't do and refuse to do, because they already know it all, so they think. There's only one problem with this know it all, it doesn't deliver results.

The body of knowledge below covers much of the S+D and is available to anyone. Most of it done 40yrs ago. The average physical healer can't look at it today, imagine what it was like trying to get someone to look in those barbaric times?

"The full body of L. Ron Hubbard life’s work, including the more than 5,000 writings and 3,000 tape-recorded lectures of Dianetics and Scientology."

Of what must a science of mind be composed?
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

1. An answer to the goal of thought.
2. A single source of all insanities, psychoses, neurosis, compulsions, repressions and social derangement's.
3. Invariant scientific evidence as to the basic nature and functional background of the human mind.
4. Techniques, the art of application, by which the discovered single source could be invariably cured; ruling out, of course, the insanities of malformed, deleted or pathologically injured brains or nervous systems and, particularly, iatrogenic psychoses (those caused by doctors and involving the destruction of the living brain itself).
5. Methods of prevention of mental derangement.

6. The cause and cure of all psychosomatic ills which number, some say, 70 percent of man's listed ailments.

Simple though it is, Dianetics does and is these things:

1. It is an organized science of thought built on definite axioms (statements of natural laws on the order of those of the physical sciences).
2. It contains a therapeutic technique with which can be treated all inorganic mental ills and all organic psychosomatic ills, with assurance of complete cure in unselected cases.
3. It produces a condition of ability and rationality for man well in advance of the current norm, enhancing rather than destroying his vigor and personality.
4. Dianetics gives a complete insight into the full potentialities of the mind, discovering them to be well in excess of past supposition.
5. The basic nature of man is discovered in Dianetics rather than hazarded or postulated, since that basic nature can be brought into action in any individual completely. And that basic nature is discovered to be good.
6. The single source of mental derangement is discovered and demonstrated, on a clinical or laboratory basis, by Dianetics.
7. The extent, storage capacity and recall ability of human memory is finally established by Dianetics®.
8. The full recording abilities of the mind are discovered by Dianetics® with the conclusion that they are quite dissimilar to former suppositions.
9. Dianetics® bring forth the non germ theory of disease, complementing biochemistry and Pasteur's work on the germ theory to embrace the field.
10. With Dianetics® ends the "necessity" of destroying the brain by shock or surgery to effect "tractability" in mental patients and "adjust" them.
11. A workable explanation of the physiological effects of drugs and endocrine substances exists in Dianetics, and many problems posed by endocrinology are answered.
12. Various educational, sociological, political, military and other human studies are enhanced by Dianetics®.
13. The field of cytology is aided by Dianetics, as well as other fields of research.

This then, is a skeletal sketch of what would be the scope of the science of mind and of what is the scope of Dianetics®.

The plug of your 'know how'

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The plug of your 'know how' versus the 'great ignorance'.
I would like you to present your theory on the validity of scientology and dianetics, I have asked for this already and you refused. Upon findings that scientology has mystical components within it, information provided by your links, you detached your theory of S&D from that of your links.
I want commitment to a concrete, a detailed account of what your standing for regarding S&D, so that we can debate constructively.
My own personal interests, and I would suppose those of others, is to learn and debate the issue with progress. This is not being done, it is going round in circles which results in my frustration.
From your point of view, if you ever jump off solopassion.com, I certainly would hope that you wouldn't hold the view that objectivism rejects S&D simply on grounds of ignorance. (Note I am not edorsing or rejecting S or D, as yet) Because at no point did you openly declare and commit to the content of what you believe is valid.

Kevin, high time to pull the plug mate.

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What plug is that.

"Present your case"

I thought I had done that in the opening article. Cheers

Kevin, high time to pull the

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Kevin, high time to pull the plug mate.
Quit your opposition and critisim of conventional medical paradigms and present your case.
Present your case
Present your case
Present your case
please please please
Did I mention present your case?

Peanut Allergy. Another One bites the dust

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"Submitted by KevinOwen on Thu, 2007-11-15 08:00.
The last time the symptoms turned on there was very little reaction which shows the causes [psychosomatic] of the above symptoms are weakening. She is very happy."

It has been 7 months since the young lady above had any kind of an allergy attack and she is convinced the allergy has been handled but not quite up to eating peanuts yet, a decision she may or may not make in good time.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

Hip Operation

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A mate of mine is going in for a hip operation tomorrow.
The reason is he injury it years ago when he fell off a roof. The physical injury healed up but the psychosomatic part of the injury was never handled and has slowly destroyed the hip joint, causing pain and arthritis to set in. It is now unbearable even with pain killers.

I offered him help but he has chosen to go under the knife without even looking at psychosomatic healing.

If he was to look at what I do and let me help him there was a good chance we could of handled the pain and arthritis, leaving him with his original hip instead of an artificial one which will probably never work as good anyway. [time will tell]. What he's not aware of is that the original stress on the hip [psychosomatic side] is still there and may hinder the healing process even though he has had the old hip out and a new one put in.

He had a choice to try psychosomatic healing before he went under the knife but choose the latter.

With psychosomatic healing, there would of been no down time [time off work, 6 weeks] and an increase in production as the pain and arthritis decreased.

With going under the knife there will be allot of time off, more pain and stress on the area [hip] etc.

Here's hoping he made the right decision.

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Like always, another brillant comment. I think it says more about you than me Gregster. Maybe you should get some help for your problem???. Cheers.

Care Factor?

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Asking The Experts About Psychosomatic Healing

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When one hears about psychosomatic healing, what does he usually do? He usually asks a physical healer of some sort to give his opinion of what it is and what it can do.
What do we have then? We have a physical healer, not knowing anything about true psychosomatic healing and a layman receiving advice from him about it???

I use our local psychiatrist [Leonid] as an example. [sorry about that Leonid]. After a period of pretending to know and giving his opinion about the subject [mostly negative garbage] and having a vested interest in the status quo, he admits he doesn't actually know anything about it.

I use the above example as an across the board picture of what happens when you ask a physical healer, what psychosomatic healing is.

To sum up. If you ask a physical healer what psychosomatic healing is, expect a bunch of spin. Then ask him does he really know anything about it. If he is truthful his answer should be no, what is it?.

Then find out from a psychosomatic healer, what it is and what can it do, as the physical healer is still waiting for his medical journals [experts] to update him on the subject even though its been around for 30yrs

Kevin, I feel this is going around in circles.

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"I have simply counter pointed your views on physical healing being a narrow, symptom constrained, tunnel visioned approach."

Some of it is. Take electric shock treatment for example.

"I only quote the pastor to avoid plagiarizing an idea that was not my own."

Understood.

"first and primary premise is that my concerns are just 'all in the head'?"

All psychosomatic illnesses have two parts to them. One is the mental stress and the other is the physical condition or symptoms generated in the body by the mental stress.
You would never get me even suggesting that it was all in a person's head. I understand that's what the medical doctor does, not having a true understanding of psychosomatic illness and healing [according to those who come and see me]

psychosomatic: psycho refers to mind [not the brain] and somatic refers to body; the term psychosomatic means the mind making the body ill or illnesses which have been created physically within the body by derangement of the mind.

"You had two definitions to choose from.
30 years old, not 200. I find this interesting.
Are you a victim Kevin"

All earlier philosophies were looked at and the old unworkable and obsolete was discarded.
A victim of what exactly?? Not that i'm aware of.

"My understanding from what I've learned about PSH is that it is the study of the psychology and physiology of pain. Would this be a definition you find suitable?"

No it wouldn't even come close. It is not the study of the above, as the techniques and methods used to handle thought [soul or present time thought] and Mind [past thought] are all ready established.

If the above statement were true, it would make psychiatry, psychology, much of what the medical doctor does and much of the research into illness obsolete and so it does. Cheers.

Kevin, I feel this is going

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Kevin, I feel this is going around in circles. "If you knew exactly what psychosomatic healing was, I'm sure you would embrace it." I don't believe I have rejected it. In fact I think I have clearly stated that PSH is warranted.
In fact Kevin I have not yet made a single attack on PSH to this point. I have simply counter pointed your views on physical healing being a narrow, symptom constrained, tunnel visioned approach.

I only quote the pastor to avoid plagiarizing an idea that was not my own.
I do have a question though, if I ever went to see you as a patient, would I be meeting a man whose first and primary premise is that my concerns are just 'all in the head'?

My understanding from what I've learned about PSH is that it is the study of the psychology and physiology of pain. Would this be a definition you find suitable?

"Most of the 'holistics' are just comeback mystics with a giant chip on the shoulder from having been thrown out of their pseudo sciences 200 years ago."

"I agree. What I do has only been around 30 or so years. I take it you are classing Psychosomatic Healing in the above group. That would suggest you are guessing as to what it is."

You had two definitions to choose from. You chose the insulting one. Yet you stand by your approach as being of a scientific nature and is only 30 years old, not 200. I find this interesting.
Are you a victim Kevin?

So I don't agree with your comment:"Physical:Involving the body

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"So I don't agree with your comment:"Physical:Involving the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit."

Fair enough. One can only use the current knowledge and training he has to see any situation. That doesn't mean his view point can't change.

"Kevin I am not arguing against psychosomatic healing,"
A pastor once said this to me and I couldn't agree more: "No matter what business your in, your in people business."

Kasper, You make some points. We are in the people business. If you knew exactly what psychosomatic healing was, I'm sure you would embrace it.

As for the pastors comments, I'm not aware of any pastors that practice psychosomatic healing so try not to confuse it with what they do. Some pastors pray etc, but their success rate is no better than placebo effect. [based on raising the hope of the individual to get better.]

What I do is not based on any belief and one does not have to believe in it to have it work.

When I first posted this topic I had it out with our local Psychiatrist, Leonid and after rubbishing me for some time and making a fool of himself, conceeded he didn't know anything about the psychosomatic healing I use. [see comments below] He did say he discusses psychosomatic treatment but that doesn't mean he delivers any. Cheers

Leonid Wrote "I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment but I discuss psychosomatic treatment as a whole."

"If you treat psychosomatic

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"If you treat psychosomatic conditions with physical treatments, the success rate will be obviously limited.
If you are treating symptoms, the cause must be else where, wouldn't you agree."

Agreed. I think there would be no dispute from the medical profession there.
Kevin I am not arguing against psychosomatic healing, it is one of many multidisciplinary health professions involved in treatment. Furthermore, I am certainly not interested in getting into a psychosomatic vs physical healing debate.

What I opposed to your post is your view of physical healers only thinking within the bounds of the physical or symptomatic.
Being involved in physical medicine still encompasses a multidisciplinary approach.

A pastor once said this to me and I couldn't agree more: "No matter what business your in, your in people business."
That is: what you have in front of you is a person not just a bunch of symptoms.

How do I work out if my patients symptoms are psychosomatic or physical. Simple. Listen. I take a good thorough history.
This should be enough to know whether to refer or make suggestions.
Also I check for a mechanical pattern.
It's all very well to compartmentalize the body into systems when learning but in reality the body, reason and emotion, mind and body is an interrelated unit.

So I don't agree with your comment:"Physical:Involving the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit."

"Most of the 'holistics' are just comeback mystics

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Thanks for your comments.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills,"

The quote comes from Dianetics: [The Modern Science of Mental Health] which is one of the psychotherapies I use to handle Psychosomatic illness.
What would you put the psychosomatic illness % rate at, being a physical healer?

Of What Must A Science of Mind Be Composed
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"Most of the 'holistics' are just comeback mystics with a giant chip on the shoulder from having been thrown out of their pseudo sciences 200 years ago."

I agree. What I do has only been around 30 or so years. I take it you are classing Psychosomatic Healing in the above group. That would suggest you are guessing as to what it is.

The Medical Model does its best to treat psychosomatic illness, with physical treatments. Thats not saying that all it does is unworkable
If you treat psychosomatic conditions with physical treatments, the success rate will be obviously limited.
If you are treating symptoms, the cause must be else where, wouldnt you agree.

"Prozac does play a pivotal role in the prevention of serotonin uptake by the brain - making sure a stable mood is set."

So they tell us. They also tell us that chemicals can think but when asked which chemicals or combination of chemicals do the thinking, one gets a blank look. Maybe you could fill us in on this, having some knowledge on chemical imbalances.

PSYCHIATRY, BETRAYING AND
DRUGGING CHILDREN FOR PROFIT
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

The Hoax of "Chemical Imbalance"

Through massive promotion and
marketing campaigns, psychiatric drugs
are increasingly prescribed as the panacea
for life's inevitable crises and challenges.
Psychiatry's most recent campaign is the
much touted theory of the "chemical
imbalance" in the brain, or
"neurobiological disorder."
Psychiatrist David Kaiser is unequivocal
about the lie of neurobiological disorder.
In 1996, he stated:

... modern psychiatry has yet to
convincingly prove the
genetic/biological cause of
any single mental illness...

Patients [have] been diagnosed with
"chemical imbalances" despite the fact that
no test exists to support such a claim, and ...
there is no real conception of what a correct
chemical balance would look like.
When this pitch is successfully used to
secure the cooperation of unwitting
parents it establishes a dangerous
precedent.

For more information contact:
Citizens Commission on Human Rights
Ph/Fax 09 373 3897
P.O. Box 5257 Auckland

http://www.cchr.org

cchr@xtra.co.nz

"Experts estimate that

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"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."
What experts? 99% of stats are made up on the spot. Where are yours coming from.

Interesting corollary to your arguement that drugs are ineffective. There was an article in the NZ Herald a while back saying that a group of people on Prozac were tested against a group on Placebo. The article concluded no difference in mood between the two groups. However, to deduce that Prozac is therefore useless and ineffective is incorrect. Prozac does play a pivotal role in the prevention of serotonin uptake by the brain - making sure a stable mood is set. Placebo (the belief that the drug is effective) and the likes of NLP (neurolinguistic programming) or having faith in a 'healer' are also all reported to have positive outcomes.

There's a lot of ganging up on medicine which has a physical approach from the holistic healers side. I think the allegations that the medical model is narrow in its approach and skips the boat by not viewing the person as a whole is unfair and unjust. There certainly are attitudinal faults within the medical model, however, the genuine concern and compassion for the patients that medical personnel show
towards patients is certainly holistic.

There are two sides of the holistic approaches on the market today. The scientists which propose viewing health from multiple variables at play such as: individual, family, cultural and environmental. The other pushes for 'wish wash' healing, spiritual, emotional value orientated voodoo which they swear is more effective that the cold hearted, detached impersonal medical model which is the only one to date that has played an integral role in doubling human life expectancy.

Most of the 'holistics' are just comeback mystics with a giant chip on the shoulder from having been thrown out of their pseudo sciences 200 years ago.

mistake post

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mistake post

mistake post

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mistake post

I was thinking they'd locked you up?

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Your onto it Gregster. How does the saying go? "There's no flys on you". Cheers.

Kev

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Where've you been? I was thinking they'd locked you up? Have you been subsumed with Hubbard and the path to Xenu?

Kevin. As much as I am keen

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"I do not appreciate you copying and pasting my emails for public discussion without my approval."

Fair enough. It was only one line of the email. Lets go public so others can learn as well. Cheers.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

Kevin. As much as I am keen

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Kevin.
As much as I am keen to have a discussion with you regarding this topic, the least I expect is for you to apply good faith and a little integrity in our discourses.
I do not appreciate you copying and pasting my emails for public discussion without my approval.

kkulak

"Health professionals in NZ are definitely evolving

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"Hi Kevin. Very interesting post here: http://www.solopassion.com/nod... "

Thanks Kasper.

What if it were true?

"Health professionals in NZ are definitely evolving with a more holistic approach to peoples health problems."

They sure are. Mainly towards Holistic Physical Healing. It's a pity they are evolving at a snails pace. Once they go through that stage of physical healing, they may reach the conclusion that it doesn't acheive any better results than placebo effect. Maybe they will be ready for Psychosomatic Healing then??
Let me know if you have any questions.

Ear drums and hearing tested

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A man came to me just after he had been to a doctor [physical healer] to get his ear drums and hearing tested.

He was having hearing problems in one ear and he had a constant ringing noise in his head. The only time he got some relief from it was when he was sleeping.

The doctor did a full check up and told him there was nothing physically wrong with his hearing which suggested that the problem was psychosomatic and outside of the physical healers ability to do anything about it, other than treat the symptoms.

We went about handling the problem [psychosomatic] with the many techniques [psychotherapies]] used to handle such a problem. A couple of hours later the ringing had gone and his hearing had improved and would improve further as the day went on. He was a happy man had had no problem paying for a successful session. [$200hr]

I am the future practioner. Like or lump it.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

A pilot of long standing

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A Pilot of long standing came to me for help. He had noticed that in the last year when he was coming in to land he was feeling extra anxious. He said he didn't want any pills and asked if I could help him. The answer was,
yes I could.

From what he told me he only experienced the unwanted feeling and sensations when he came into land. I asked him if he had in the past had any problems [close calls etc ] with his landing. He stated that when he was learning to be a pilot, he had 3 close calls, one of them, where he crashed the plane and was injured.

Once I showed him how the auditing [psychosomatic healing] worked we went about locating the cause of the present time anxieties in his mind [memory]. While he was running the early incidents of landing he experienced the unwanted feelings and fear again until they had dimminshed and had no more effect on him

He now lands his planes without the unwanted sensations and feelings

I wonder what label and pills a physical healer would of dished out to suppress the unwanted feelings?

However psychiatry's unscientific and
arbitrary bundling together of behaviors and
emotions under the fraudulent tag of "mental
illness" is pure fabrication - calculated to further
the myth of mental illness and precipitate a Mental
Health State.
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

"It would need to defy all known laws of physics"

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Psychosomatic healing does defy all known laws of physics and has to be understood and learned to handle psychosomatic illness and healing.

The physical healer assumes, based on current physical healing practises that he has a good understanding of what causes many of man's current illnesses.

The medical reaseacher continues to look for physical causes for the many illnesses that trouble man but does not have any training in psychosomatic healing which reduces much of their progress.

One of these is heart disease. The physical healer examines the heart and notices that things are not as they should be and handles the problem with some form of physical healing which maybe needed.

What he doeasn't look at and which is outside of his expertise is that the heart or any organ or body part, for that matter may have been under mental stress for twenty years, prior to its physical deteriation.

If that stress is handled with psychosomatic healing the person may then be able to repair the heart himself, the same way he constantly repairs the rest of the body.

Mental Health Parity DEFEATED

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Thanks to all of your efforts, including emails, calls, and visits the Mental Health Parity bill that would have forced insurance carriers to cover all 374 mental disorders in the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders (DSM-IV), literally opening the door to anyone being labeled with a mental disorder and drugged, was defeated. It was extremely important that this bill be stopped, as there should be no parity of insurance coverage when there is no parity of diagnoses. The fact is, unlike real medical conditions which can be verified by a scientific/medical procedure, there are no blood tests, brain scans, chemical imbalance tests, X-Rays, etc. that can prove any psychiatric disorder is a disease or illness, yet millions are needlessly drugged due to this junk science. With commonly prescribed psychiatric drugs now acknowledged by international drug regulators as causing suicide, mania, homicidal ideation, psychosis, diabetes, heart attack, stroke and sudden death (20 warnings this year alone), you can see why defeating Mental Health Parity was so important. Under the guise of "helping" people, this bill was designed only to benefit those with a vested interest in hooking millions more Americans on drugs.

People deserve real solutions and real medical help, not junk science and vested interests looking to shove more drugs down their throats. Thanks to your efforts, they may find there are safer alternatives than the psychiatric/pharmaceutical cartel would have them believe.

CCHR International
http://www.cchr.org/

"Medicine that flawlessly deals with people's problems

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"Medicine that flawlessly deals with people's problems with absolutely no side effects is a myth."

If your trying to tell me your not aware of any, I already knew that. I don't use any medicine [ Drugs prescibed by a physical healer].

If anyone wants any info on Xenu, I'll send them to You and Leonid, as you seem to be interested in that line of information. Keep up the good work. Cheers.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

Xenu and other Kooky stuff

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I'd have an easier time believing you Kevin if you didn't try to laugh it off when someone directly points out one of the kookier elements of Scientology (Xenu, Telekinesis, etc etc etc) but then after the outright statement has been forgotten, you just mildly hint at it but the implication is there.

I've said dozens of times the whole Xenu story is probably more logical than about half of the accepted religions in the world, but that says more for how bad religion actually is than how good Scientology is.

Platonic medicine doesn't exist. Medicine that flawlessly deals with people's problems with absolutely no side effects is a myth. The only claims that have ever been made in this realm were like arrows pointing to charlatans.

A claim that something flawlessly fixes something is an admission that it actually does nothing.

---Landon

The price of liberty is eternal VIGILANCE.

http://www.myspace.com/wickedlakes

The End Of The Fight

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The End Of The Fight
http://opposing.scientology.or...

Thus the story of the attacks against Scientology is basically very simple. Dianetics and Scientology cut across vested interests which then ruthlessly attempted to destroy it. The issue was never any wrongdoing by the Church, merely encroachment on turf claimed by a mental health industry who would stop at nothing to preserve their stake.

Still, while psychiatry’s offensive against Scientology has been all but defeated, the battle is not over. True, their allies among US government agencies have retired from the conflict. And finally their staunchest battering ram, the IRS, has also recognized the Church and its benefit to society. But psychiatry’s traditional allies and symbiotic partners have always been the drug companies. Psychiatry invents the “disease”-the pharmaceutical companies invent the “cure.” The side effects of the drugs ensure that the patient stays with the psychiatrist and, based upon these symptoms, a new disease is created. Which is the tail and which the dog in this vicious circle is debatable, but in any event, the drug companies jumped on the bandwagon. They stand to lose literally billions of dollars a year when people fully discover that ills and addictions can be resolved without mind-bending and mood-altering chemicals.

"That trauma has led to my lifelong melancholy

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"That trauma has led to my lifelong melancholy and love of asparagus."

Scott, that sounds serious. Maybe you should get some help for that condition. Leonid might be able to find a label for the disease in the DSM. I hear a series of ECT treatments does wonders. Good luck and I hope you get better soon. Cheers

**Xenu the alien ruler

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Managing Chronic Illness in Patients
Summary of improvements in nearly 500 cases after detox
(Adobe Acrobat file.)
http://www.nydetox.org/images/...

The above is a summarry of 500 hundred rescue workers at ground zero that have been through our New York Detox Program all with improvements in their health after traditional physical healing had failed them.

The point I'm trying to make here is that you can put up evidence of something working with statistics [scientific] as I have and the establishments response to it is the same as Leonid's below. They don't want to know. I already knew that but it is good to see it in action, in front of ones eyes. I could heal a thousand people and show Leonid and he would come back with the same inteligent, trite, zenu article. One would expect a better response from a so called expert don't you think? Maybe not. Cheers

I'd like to point out that the only zenus I hear about are from Lenoids??

**Xenu the alien ruler
Submitted by Leonid on Thu, 2007-12-20 17:53.
Leonid
I'm great admirer of good SF and I think that L Ron Hubbard story is suck.It is no good even for C-rate low budget movie.

**Xenu the alien ruler

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Leonid
I'm great admirer of good SF and I think that L Ron Hubbard story is suck.It is no good even for C-rate low budget movie.

Breakthrough!

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Through regressive therapy, I was able to discover that all of my problems began when in the first week of my mother's pregnancy, her feet were cold. That trauma has led to my lifelong melancholy and love of asparagus.

Scott DeSalvo

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur!

Health support services for people exposed to dioxin

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I put in a submission for the above services but the Ministry of Health is looking at some Physical Healing Techniques [DNA damage Testing and Genetic Counseling]

What I put in was our Detoxification Program which rids the body of toxins, radiation, drugs etc. [Drugs interfere with perception, reduce learning rate, cloud thinking, and generally make a person less able to cope with life and those around him.]
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Our Detoxification Program [at Ground Zero, New York] funded by Tom Cruise has had 500+ Rescue Workers through it, with all of them recieving improvements in their health
[Of those on medication at program start, 82 percent no longer need medications following detoxification.]
http://www.rehabnz.co.nz/pages...

All the above rescue workers had been to a physical healer for help after suffering from fumes, steel dust, lung and breating problems etc, before they did the Detoxification Program, without much success.

Managing Chronic Illness in Patients
Summary of improvements in nearly 500 cases after detox
(Adobe Acrobat file.)
http://www.nydetox.org/images/...

You don't have to read what I put up but you seem to persist

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William, your motives are clear and I hear what your saying. Maybe you could go somewhere else as I'm not moving. Run me down as much as you like [water off a ducks back] Cheers [1050 reads]

Yeah?

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"4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows."

So does herpes, you lunatic.

Scott DeSalvo

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur!

"As I've menchuned beefor, I dont heel anithyngg."

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Kevin, you will have noted the criticism of your spelling and poor language skills.

Why don't you spell correctly here? Your website conforms to spelling, as do the materials you asked me to look over. Have you considered that your messages can give the wrong impression to your readers? Some might think your mispellings and misquotations indicate you are sloppy and ill-educated, and unwilling to do your best in the effort to communicate. In looking over the courses and materials on your and other Scientology sites, there are several means -- within your church -- to improve your spelling. I recommend you use those resources to improve your ability to communicate.

I am also puzzled by your response to my questions about Ulcer Man. "You say that the gent in question was in the hospital for a checkup. What were they checking?"

This is the one question you did not answer. It leaves the impression that you don't know, and don't care -- especially in light of your claim: "[I] started on the ulcers he was having problems with. Two hours later he was a happy man and hasn't had any ulcer problems since." We don't know that he still had an ulcer if you don't honestly tell us what the checkup discovered. Are you not at all curious about the results of the examination of his stomach?

You claim "I lessened the irr[i]tation, as it was a physical injury from the telscope [sic]. [ . . . ] his throat was sore from the telescope scratching it."

First, the instrument is not a telescope. The instrument is an endoscope. A telescope is not shoved down someones' throat, it is used to view distant objects and terrain.

Second, "Heliwho [sic]. He has no ulcers now so I must of [sic] Helibactored [sic] him." I had noted for Leonid that "Kevin may or may not be aware of the etiology of stomach ulcers." By your flip answer you make it clear that you are mostly unfamiliar with the etiology of ulcers. You leave out what is the most important thing: did the client actually have an ulcer?

Third, you claim you "calmed him down with a natural relaxant," without telling us what that was. Reading the Church vitamin therapy store catalog through your links, I find Instant CalMag-C®. Is this what you gave to Ulcer Man?

You assert that "Talking to a physical healer about psychosomatic healing is like trying to talk to a Labourite about Libertarian Policy."

But you say you didn't do any healing, Kevin. And what you are not allowing is that the discomfort, breathing difficulties and agitation your client displayed would have gone away without your ministrations. Which likely cost him $125.00NZ.

Why do you persist in proffering Church propaganda here? No one who posts here, except for the rare Christian believer, accepts that there is a 'Soul,' let alone Body Thetans whose existence is due to dispersal by alien galactic overlord Xenu (abridged from the sacred scriptures of Scientology, by the voice of L Ron Hubbard, full sacred tale below**).

**Xenu the alien ruler

Once upon a time (75 million years ago to be more
precise) there was an alien galactic ruler named
Xenu. Xenu was in charge of all the planets in
this part of the galaxy including our own planet
Earth, except in those days it was called
Teegeeack.

Now Xenu had a problem. All of the 76 planets he
controlled were overpopulated. Each planet had on
average 178 billion people. He wanted to get rid
of all the overpopulation so he had a plan.

Xenu took over complete control with the help of
renegades to defeat the good people and the Loyal
Officers. Then with the help of psychiatrists he
called in billions of people for income tax
inspections where they were instead given
injections of alcohol and glycol mixed to paralyse
them. Then they were put into space planes that
looked exactly like DC8s (except they had rocket
motors instead of propellers).

These DC8 space planes then flew to planet Earth
where the paralysed people were stacked around the
bases of volcanoes in their hundreds of billions.
When they had finished stacking them around then
H-bombs were lowered into the volcanoes. Xenu then
detonated all the H-bombs at the same time and
everyone was killed.

The story doesn't end there though. Since everyone
has a soul (called a "thetan" in this story) then
you have to trick souls into not coming back
again. So while the hundreds of billions of souls
were being blown around by the nuclear winds he
had special electronic traps that caught all the
souls in electronic beams (the electronic beams
were sticky like fly-paper).

After he had captured all these souls he had them
packed into boxes and taken to a few huge cinemas.
There all the souls had to spend days watching
special 3D motion pictures that told them what
life should be like and many confusing things. In
this film they were shown false pictures and told
they were God, The Devil and Christ. In the story
this process is called "implanting".

When the films ended and the souls left the cinema
these souls started to stick together because
since they had all seen the same film they thought
they were the same people. They clustered in
groups of a few thousand. Now because there were
only a few living bodies left they stayed as
clusters and inhabited these bodies.

As for Xenu, the Loyal Officers finally overthrew
him and they locked him away in a mountain on one
of the planets. He is kept in by a force-field
powered by an eternal battery and Xemu is still
alive today
.

Stomach Ulcers

KevinOwen's picture

"You appear to have calmed his panic (and the panic-related breathing). Did you do away with the irritation in his throat?"

I lessened the irratation, as it was a physical injury from the telscope.

"If so, if you claim to have healed the three symptoms, what about his stomach ulcer? "

As I've mentioned before, I don't heal anything. I help the individual locate and handle the stress [psychosomatic] causing the condition so that physical healing can then take place.

"It seems that you may not share your technology with others except that they join the Church of Scientology and purchase it."

Well I do, so I don't know where you got that from. People are trained in our churches to deliver psychosomatic healing. Like any other training organization [not tax payer funded] you pay for that training, courses, books etc.

What Is Scientology
http://www.scientology.net/htm...

Helicobacter causes ulcer . . .

KevinOwen's picture

Heliwho. He has no ulcers now so I must of Helibactored him.

Its obvious your a physical healer and have no training in Psychosomatic Healing.

Talking to a physical healer about psychosomatic healing is like trying to talk to a Labourite about Libertarian Policy
They are different fields of expertise. Cheers

Scary man

KevinOwen's picture

"Mr "Owen", you are displaying symptoms of delusional psychosis. I guarantee I could fix it and have you normalised but it would take a lot of time and effort on your part."

Gregster, I'm not that scary, I'll keep your offer in mind. You sound like someone who knows what he is talking about??

Scary man

gregster's picture

Mr "Owen", you are displaying symptoms of delusional psychosis. I guarantee I could fix it and have you normalised but it would take a lot of time and effort on your part.

Much like your treatments the patient must believe the need to be cured.

I would throw in some spelling lessons too.

Helicobacter causes ulcer . . .

William Scott Scherk's picture

Right, Leonid. Kevin may or may not be aware of the etiology of stomach ulcers. That is why I ask him what he believes he healed in the gentleman in question.

WSS

stomach ulcer's cause is bacteria

Leonid's picture

Leonid
Stomach ulcer's cause is bacteria called Helicobacter.Can psychosomatic treatment eliminate it? Usual 7 day course of antibiotics and proton pump inhibitiors like Nexiam eliminates this infection in 97% of all cases.Modern medicine treats cause of disease,not just symtoms.

Stomach Ulcers

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin, by your lights, what did you heal in this gentleman?

He came to you with panic, unusual breathing patterns, and a sore throat.

You appear to have calmed his panic (and the panic-related breathing). Did you do away with the irritation in his throat?

If so, if you claim to have healed the three symptoms, what about his stomach ulcer? You say that the gent in question was in the hospital for a checkup. What were they checking? Did he/does he still have an active ulcer?

I note also that what you do to your clients is apply 'auditing.' This is a proprietary religious technology. It seems that you may not share your technology with others except that they join the Church of Scientology and purchase it.

WSS

Stomach Ulcers

KevinOwen's picture

I was in touch with a man who had stomach ulcers for many years. That day he was going for a check up at the hospital. They were going to put a telescope down into his stomach.

He called me after the procedure in a bit of a state. He was having trouble breathing, panic attacks and his throat was sore from the telescope scratching it.

I shot around to his place, calmed him down with a natural relaxant, did some psychosomatic healing on his breathing and panic attacks which handled those and then started on the ulcers he was having problems with. Two hours later he was a happy man and hasn't had any ulcer problems since.
[all on record]

The medical procedure above was directed at the damaged or un-healing cells in the mans stomach, the same as most medical treatments.

What I did was handle the stress causing or preventing the
stomach cells from healing [psycosomatic: The soul making the body sick, through the mind] When that was handled the cells could then heal properly over the next couple of weeks
One thing that happens during or after a session is the pain dimminishes rapidly which indicates healing.

The above example shows the time, expense and success rate of the physical healer compared to the psychosomatic healer.

If the physical healer could look at psychosomatic healing it would increase his/her success rate and reduce endless treating of symptoms.

Stomach Ulcers

KevinOwen's picture

I had been in touch with a man for about a month about his stomach ulcers he had had problems with for many years.

He was going up the hospital this day for an appointment he had made with the doctor. They wanted to put a telescope down his throat to see what was happening in his stomach.
These tests etc had been going on for years with no improvement in the condition.

He phoned me after the exploratory treatment and he was having trouble breathing, panic attacks and his throat was had been damaged by this treatment.

I shot around to his house and gave him a natural relaxant, applied some gentle psychosomatic healing techniques which got his breathing and the panic attacks under control, applied some healing to the damaged throat to reduce the pain and then went to work on the stomach ulcers {two hour session].

Today he has no stomach ulsers, something he had been having difficulty with half his life.

The above gives a good idea of the time and expense the medical model spends to handle psychosomatic problems with physical treatments, compared to the time and expense the psychosomtic healer would use.

Also one needs to look at the success rate of the psychosomatic healer [90 - 100% ] compared to the physical healer. [endless specialist visits and treatments].

Whats your part in the healing feild [healing LIghts]

KevinOwen's picture

As I noted before, "Up to now, you haven't actually told anyone what you do, in concrete terms."

I did try that with Leonid but he applied his training to what I said and we were in fairy land.

If one was that interested, as you seem to be, you might do a bit of research yourself and then come back to me with some questions. If your on the right wave length we can go from there. My website http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.nz has some info on it. You could try the section on Get Trained To Heal as that would be a good starting point. The Dianetics DVD could also be looked at

As you said no-one maybe interested enough or even aware enough to look any further than the posts I put up so I'm not going into any great detail on these posts.

"I will make you a wager. I think you are wasting most of your time answering questions which are answered in books. I think you are talking yourself hoarse to friends, and other people and groups, explaing over and over and over things that are already taken up in books." L.Ron.Hubbard
http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

Arthiritis Experiment. Queen Elizabeth Hostipal in Rotorua

KevinOwen's picture

The Queen Elizabeth Hospital in Rotorua is looking for Ginepigs to try out a new drug [probably old recycled drug] for arthiritis. There is no garantee it has any workability but if you take the pills [maybe for 6 months, watch out you don't get addicted [drug addict]]you may have some results [placebo effect if your lucky ] as the Queen Elizabeth Hostipal is known for its arthiritis treatment, its just that they haven't found anything that works yet. You could be the catalyse for that. Good luck, your'll need it. Cheers

You could also try some of their whaka mud [strealized no germs]as its been noted to have healing properties. I'm not sure who came up with that bit of spin but someone did. Don't worry about the black stains left after application, as its the healing properties your after

I hope I've answered some of

William Scott Scherk's picture

I hope I've answered some of your questions?

In a way. But these are the types I really wanted answered (and it is put to you in good faith):

For psychosomatic healing of this woman's pains, what are the ingredients and what are the tips and warnings?

As I noted before, "Up to now, you haven't actually told anyone what you do, in concrete terms."

Answering that kind of query might lead to more productive lines of discussion. As for the 853 reads, 831 are for Leonid, dontchaknow?

WSS

Easy as painting a wall if your a painter

KevinOwen's picture

"Kevin, it seemed like you had nothing to say about the excerpt from Wikipedia"

I thought I made myself quite clear by posting the scientology basher article. [See article below] The True Story of Scientology.

"then discussion, even disagreement is possible. If not, not."

I love the disagreement. [When the going gets tough, the tough get going ]I must be able to defend my veiws when attacked. Don't you think. Most scientology bashers just repeat the same old cut and past articles and then run for the hills as that was their total knowledge of the subject

As for people reading my posts [845 reads] thats their choice. Like I said in a earlier post to you, I'm not looking for clients as I have enough. I hope I've answered some of your questions? Cheers.

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

Easy as painting a wall

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin Owen:

Good to see the Scientology Bashers are alive and well.

[ . . . ]

They all seem to have one thing in commom though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

Kevin, it seemed like you had nothing to say about the excerpt from Wikipedia, but instead used the silly title of the post. How come? If Scott is simply a "Scientology Basher," then aren't you just a "Promoter"?

Just because you offer some information [scientific, probably doctored] doesn't automatically mean the reader has to believe it.

This is from a different posting (on depression}, but I wanted to ask you if the same applies back to you? If you say yes -- a reader doesn't have to automatically believe you when offered some information . . . then discussion, even disagreement is possible. If not, not.

I also gave her [pregnant woman with pain] a natural tranquilizer to help her relax.

What kind or type of natural tranquilizer? Or what specific item?

Not that it [pregnant lady with pain case] was a hard one to crack, when one knows how. About as difficult as painting a wall.

Good analogy. For painting a wall, you need paint and a brush or roller (or sponge or spraygun), and a little bit of instruction or warning (even strokes, cut in edges first, use drop cloth, even pressure, etc).

For psychosomatic healing of this woman's pains, what are the ingredients and what are the tips and warnings? Up to now, you haven't actually told anyone what you do, in concrete terms.

I admire you for sticking it out here, even though you may realize that you will find not a single person to learn from you. I suggest that you examine your goals in being here. If you are trying to simply expound your beliefs, great. If you are trying to convince folk that some of your information is true and correct, you might want to show good faith -- and make an attempt at answering some simple questions.

WSS

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