Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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Submitted by Anonymous Guest on Thu, 2007-10-18 08:24

Spiritual and Mental Stress [psychosomatic], cause a large proportion of physical and mental illnesses, experienced by individuals.

These physical symptoms are then diagnosed by the Medical Doctor and Psychiatrists etc and treated with physical treatments. [Medication, operations, chemotherapy etc]

As the medical model mainly deals with the physical symptoms and has virtually no cures for these illnesses, and never will, they become acute or chronic and need long-term treatment.

When the Spiritual and Mental aspects of the psycosomatic illness or injury are handled with different forms of Psychotherapy, the symptoms improve and in many cases cease to exist.

All illness should be handled with Spiritual and Mental Therapies [psychotherapy] if possible, as medication or drugs are not needed to get improvement and it has no side effects. The improvement is rapid, as after therapy the person is aware that his/her condition has improved.

Many operations are not needed when the above psychotherapies are used on the physical or mental condition or problem. Work stress can be lessened quickly without medications. All injuries, healing of them can be sped up. Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life

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Mysticism and Snake oil

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Is mysticism and snake oil. I don't care if you believe in aliens, reincarnation, virgin births, telepathy, the power of crystals, or some weird pre-renaisance view of the brain and the mind.

It's mysticism and it's snake oil and I classify it with all other mentalities like this, with a slight addendum that it's particularly shameful that it developed and rose in the modern west among people who should've known better.

---Landon

Inking is sexy.

http://www.angelfire.com/comics/wickedlakes

Scientology Bashers

KevinOwen's picture

Good to see the Scientology Bashers are alive and well.
They are easy to spot as they use intelligent verse like "My belly button could abberrate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich ". I think it may show more about them than it does me?

They all seem to have one thing in commom though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

The true story of Scientology® is simple, concise and direct. It is quickly told:

http://www.rehabilitatenz.co.n...

1. A philosopher develops a philosophy about life and death.
2. People find it interesting.
3. People find it works.
4. People pass it along to others.
5. It grows.

My belly button can aberrate a peanut butter and jelly sandwich

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It's true, but only when you reach Inner Circle Level III and can routinely reach Level III Thetan Waves and channel the enemies of Xenu.

Scott DeSalvo

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur!

Everything you need to know about Scientology

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Here is what you need to know before giving ANY Scientologist the benefit of the doubt on their utter garbage (from Wikipedia):

Xenu (also Xemu), pronounced /ˈziːnuː/, according to Scientology founder L. Ron Hubbard, was the dictator of the "Galactic Confederacy" who, 75 million years ago, brought billions[1] of his people to Earth in DC-8-like spacecraft, stacked them around volcanoes and killed them using hydrogen bombs. Scientology holds that their essences remained, and that they form around people in modern times, causing them spiritual harm.[2][3]

These events are known to Scientologists as "Incident II", and the traumatic memories associated with them as The Wall of Fire. The story of Xenu is part of Scientologist teachings on extraterrestrial civilizations and alien interventions in Earthly events, collectively described as space opera by Hubbard. Hubbard detailed the story in Operating Thetan level III (OT III) in 1967, warning that this material was "calculated to kill (by pneumonia etc) anyone who attempts to solve it."[sic]

Criticism of the Church of Scientology often includes details of the Xenu story. The Church has tried to keep Xenu confidential[4] and critics say that revealing the story is in the public interest, given the high prices charged for OT III, part of Scientology's secret "Advanced Technology" doctrines taught only to members who have already contributed large amounts of money to the organization.[5] The Church avoids making mention of Xenu in public statements and has gone to considerable effort to maintain the story's confidentiality, including legal action on the grounds of both copyright and trade secrecy. Despite this, much material on Xenu has leaked to the public, largely via the Internet.

Scott DeSalvo

Quidquid latine dictum sit, altum viditur!

The mind can aberrate the physical cell in a matter of minutes

KevinOwen's picture

A young lady came to see me for help about a rash on her neck that she was having problems with for the last twenty years

This is an interesting one as it shows how the mind [abberration in the mind] can alter or abberrate physical cells in a matter of minutes.

She told me that every time she got interested in a young man and started talking to him, a rash around her neck would appear within 5 mins. Since a young girl, now around 28, her parents had taken her to every practitioner they could find to get something done, to no avail, as they were all physical healers and having no ability to do the psychsomatic healing needed to crack the case. Not that it was a hard one to crack, when one knows how. About as difficult as painting a wall.

Two sessions later, [4hrs] the source of the rash was dismantled, you could say and she now can talk to anyone she wants. When running the session the rash would turn on and off in front of ones eyes, until at last, it was gone.

The above example gives one an idea of how the mind [memory] can abberrate physical matter [cells]. When that abberation is located and removed the cells return to their natural state and stay there. If one doesn't have a workable science of the mind [psychsomatic healing] and users physical healing to treat a psychosomatic problem he will be treating it physically for all time, until it kills the person. Cheers

Of what must a science of mind be composed?
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Is GOD doing all the healing

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I was listening to talk back the other night. The subject was miracles. The lines were full of people with illnesses [psycosomatic] that improved or disappeared. They assigned the improvement or disappearance of these illnesses to GOD, To them nothing that they were aware of could improve their condition so it must have been GOD?

None of them seem to take any credit for healing themselves.

When I do psychosomatic healing, I don't actully heal anyone, I just help THE PERSON remove the mental abberration, creating the illness [in the body] or preventing healing and then the person is able to heal themselves naturally. [helping the individual heal himself]

I would say GOD had a success rate of around 20 - 40% percent [ placebo effect ], sitll higher than psychiatry's success level. As my success rate is way above that I could probably teach both a few tricks. Cheers

Pregnancy problems

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A young lady came to me when she was 8 months pregnant. She was in pain and it felt like her stomach was going to explode. She didn't want to take any medication and thats all the medical model was offering her. A couple of hours of psychosomatic healing and the pain and unwanted sensations, feelings etc were gone. I also gave her a natural tranquilizer to help her relax. The rest of the pregnacy went well, thanks to the medical professionals involved, without any complications.

The above shows that both psychosomatic healing and physical healing are essential for good results.

The medical model took on the responsibility of handling psychosomatic illness in the early days with physical healing, as there was no effective methods of handling it, but now that there is we may see in the future a better result for all.

Like I said in an earlier post I am an example of the future practioner. Like or not.

You maybe observe placebo effect.

KevinOwen's picture

"So if you achieve some improvement by using psychosomatic approach it doesn't mean that patient has no physical illness.You maybe observe placebo effect."

Like you said all physical illnesses have a psychosomatic component to them. You say what I do is only the result of placebo effect. That is your realty on the subject and all the medical model has been able to acheive, in the last 100 yrs, in the field of psychosomatic healing. What I do goes way beyond just hoping the paitent will get better.

You have already stated you know nothing about the form of psychosomatic healing I do yet you continue to assume and state what I can and can't do. I can understand your view of it as what I say I can do, can't be done by anything the medical model has. The mechanics behind what I do are so far outside your training that it would be impossible for you with your training to grasp what I do without me showing you how it is done.

Placebo effect has a success rate of between 20 - 40 percent. [higher than the whole feild of psychiatry accomplishes] I have between a 90 - 100% success rate. Way above anything the medical model acheives in the feild of psychosomatic healing. That field [psychosomatic healing] belongs to those that can get results, not to those that pretend to know something about it. That doesn't mean they will give up their vested interest in it easily until exposed

As I have been doing, psychosomatic healing for around 12 years it is not new to me but to you or your profession it can't be done because your not doing it.

I mentioned in an earlier post that we offered it to the American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Assoociation and the American Medical Association [in the 50s] but their conclusion was the same as yours in 2007 [we are not doing it therefore it is not possible] which prevented them from looking.

The main reason they didn't look and attacked us on a world wide scale was that we were a threat to their vested interests and today that is a reality.

Thats the reason we had to go it alone and set it up as a separate entitiy of healing. We got over trying to convince a denying medical model along time ago. If someone wants to learn about it these days we have organizations set up to train them all over the world. Cheers

It is no mind-body dichotomy

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Leonid
"If it was a physical problem which I agree it could be he would have to see a physical healer for that problem. If the problem wasn't psychosomatic I wouldn't of got a result."
As I mentioned before it is no mind-body dichotomy.Every physical illness has psychosomatic component.Every medical intervention,even when you take aspirin for headache,has psychosomatic part called placebo effect.The science of medicine knows how to distinguish between them and to attend both parts properly.So if you achieve some improvement by using psychosomatic approach it doesn't mean that patient has no physical illness.You maybe observe placebo effect.

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KevinOwen's picture

Did you conduct any tests? 100% lasting for how long?

Thats what you do [conduct tests] Do you want to conduct some?

With that case all the truama from the first injury [20yrs ago] and all those he experienced up to present time, including the last operation, was handled so that it couldn't create the swelling problem again and could heal naturally in the normal time limit. If the first trauma was handled straight after the original injury [steel splinter in the eye] it would of healed fully at that time and he wouldn't of had a long history of eye problems.

There are many signs one observes when running a session that show if it is a psychosomatic problem.

If it was a physical problem which I agree it could be he would have to see a physical healer for that problem. If the problem wasn't psychosomatic I wouldn't of got a result.

A physical healer treats the sick and abberated cells and physical body parts. The psychosomatic healer treats the truama that abberrates and warps the cells.

I helped another young man with a swollen eye. He had been to a physical healer and she had cut above the eye to reduce the swelling. A week later the swelling was back. She cut it again as thats all she could do for it.
A week later it was back up again. He came to me to see what I could do for him. I showed him that I handle the present time and past truama associated with the abberrated eye. He said anything would be better than going under the knife again. A couple of hours later the eye was feeling much better and he hasn't had any problems with it since.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

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Leonid
"cause of your patient's eye swelling 20 years after the injury (infection,lymphedema,cancer or others)?."

Kevin "It was none of the above. It was psychosomatic and the handling is virtually 100% lasting."
And how do you know that? It can be psychosomatic but also can be physical.Did you conduct any tests? 100% lasting for how long?

Phantom limb pain...

KevinOwen's picture

"It's somewhat less woo-woo than Kevin tries to pass it off as. Gosh, it actually has groundings in neuroscience"

If you come across someone with the above [Phantom Limb Pains] put him/her on to me and I'll get rid of the pains for him/her without any mirrors or any neuro-science. Cheers

No loss of memory just the ability to access it

KevinOwen's picture

A lady came to see me about some memories that were haunting her since she was a young girl. She could see some of them but a large peice of what she wanted to know was hidden from view [burried]

The incident was when she was very young and she had visited a dentist. All she could remember was sitting in the chair and being injected. When she woke a few hours later she knew something was wrong and had memories of men putting her on a matress and climbing on top of her etc. When she tried to tell someone they just laughed it off as it occurred in the 50s [dark ages]

With psychosomatic healing we are able to uncover the buried memory of any past incident. It may have to be run through many times but each time through it becomes clearer

When she left she knew exactly what had happened that day and thanked me for the successful session.

There are so many things one can handle with this technology

Please tell us more about this case.

KevinOwen's picture

"share with us your experience as medical practitioner"

A medical practioner as I know them are those that use physical treatments. I don't use medicines etc except a natural tranquilizer which we mainly use for drug withdrawl.

"cause of your patient's eye swelling 20 years after the injury (infection,lymphedema,cancer or others)?."

It was none of the above. It was psychosomatic and the handling is virtually 100% lasting.

The problem with me elaborating on the above is when I do you compare it with your training which is not a bad thing but it want give you any answers as what I practice is totally outside the field of medicine.

Another gentleman I helped [70yrs] had a swollen foot. It was bloated and covered in a rash. I asked him if he had injured the foot recently and he said no. I asked had he ever injured the foot. He said when he was 5 years old he had nearly chopped it off. With psychosomatic [those ilnesses gernerated in the body by the mind] healing one knows that an old injury can re-occur or be generated again in present time, no matter how long ago it occurred, by the mind. When one handles the old memory of the early injury with psychosomatic healing it ceases to gernerate the present time condition, allowing it to heal.

I hope the above answers some of your questions
There is an old saying "Its hard to teach old dogs NEW tricks" but I trying. Cheers

What about getting a 100 medical practioners together and we could train them to use psychosomatic healing?

Please tell us more about this case.

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Leonid
"I helped a young man after he had an operation on his eye.
He said the operation went well but it wasn't healing up in the specified time period. He came to me a month after the operation and his eye was swollen. I did some psychosomatic healing on it which took him back twenty years to the first time he had injured the eye [when the problems began according to him]"
Kevin,I'm glad you decided to share with us your experience as medical practitioner and I hope you can elaborate more details about this case. For example what was established cause of your patient's eye swelling 20 years after the injury (infection,lymphedema,cancer or others)?.By what diagnostic means you've established the cause?.What in your opinion was pathogenesis(mechanism of disease) which is responsible for your patient's symtoms? How the course of your treatment affected the cause and pathogenesis of this illness? Was outcome of your treatment lasting or not? What is prognosis?

Oh P.S. Neuro-science >

Lance's picture

Oh P.S. Neuro-science > Scientology Smiling

Phantom limb pain...

Lance's picture

The mirror box technique was developed by Vilayanur Ramachandran. In the talk linked above, (fascinating in it's own right) he gives a good explanation of the technique. It's somewhat less woo-woo than Kevin tries to pass it off as. Gosh, it actually has groundings in neuroscience.
(I watched this weeks ago, never thought it would come in handy Eye)

Wikipedia links:

Valayanur_Ramachandran
Ramachandran's approach has been to identify potential neural mechanisms, and then to test these potential mechanisms through the use of a few simple behavioral experiments. For example, he suggested that phantom limbs might be due to changes in the brain, rather than in the peripheral nerves. Due to the way that the surface of the body is represented in the brain, stimulation to the cheek should elicit phantom limb sensations if the brain had reorganized after amputation, but not if the changes were simply peripheral. Simply by showing that phantom limb sensations were elicited after stroking the cheek, Ramachandran was able to show that they were due to reorganization in the brain. Subsequent functional neuroimaging studies by Ramachandran's group, and by others, have demonstrated that this cortical reorganization occurs, and that the extent of cortical reorganization correlates with phantom limb pain.
Mirror Box
In order to retrain the brain, and thereby eliminate the learned paralysis, Ramachandran and Rogers-Ramachandran (Ramachandran, Rogers-Ramachandran & Cobb 1995) created the mirror box. The patient places his or her good limb into one side, and the stump into the other. The patient then looks into the mirror on the side with good limb and makes "mirror symmetric" movements, as a symphony conductor might, or as we do when we clap our hands. Because the subject is seeing the reflected image of the good hand moving, it appears as if the phantom limb is also moving. Through the use of this artificial visual feedback it becomes possible for the patient to "move" the phantom limb, and to unclench it from potentially painful positions. Because this visual feedback elicits kinesthetic sensations, Ramachandran and Rogers-Ramachandran (Ramachandran & Rogers-Ramachandran 1996) refer to this as a kind of visual-kinesthetic synesthesia, although this is true only in the broadest sense of the term.

Operation on his eye.

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I helped a young man after he had an operation on his eye.
He said the operation went well but it wasn't healing up in the specified time period. He came to me a month after the operation and his eye was swollen. I did some psychosomatic healing on it which took him back twenty years to the first time he had injured the eye [when the problems began according to him] With all that baggage out of the way and two hours later his eye was feeling much better than it had done for weeks. I phoned him a week later to check how he was doing and all was well.

The same example above can be applied to any body part that is not healing whether it be after an operation, accident injury etc.

When something doesn't heal in the specfified time, thats when the physical healer should call in the psychosomatic healer. Cheers

"I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment

KevinOwen's picture

"I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment but I discuss psychosomatic treatment as a whole."

Well done for admitting that. I don't doubt that you do discuss psychosomatic treatment, but it maybe nothing like what I do

"We know what is the cause of pneumonia and AIDS, cancer and peptic ulcer, hypertension, schisophrenia, major depression and many other medical conditions. Each and every of them has specifically designed treatment. This is representing huge amount of knowledge, which is practically unattainable to the single person. That why we have so many medical specialities."

I don't treat each set of physical symptoms like the physical healer does. I treat the psychosomatic side of the illness [those generated by the mind in the body] which is different from physical healing. The mind can generate many symptoms but the HANDLING of the many symptoms is similar which makes it possible for one practitioner to handle many different CONDITIONS

There was a medical treatment [psychosomatic] broadcast as a breakthrough on 1ZB news a couple of days ago. Doctors had found that patients that had had limbs removed still experienced limb pains [psychosomatic] when there was no limb there.
What they did was get the person to stand in front of the mirror which supposedly confused the brain signals about the missing limb which resulted in a reduction in pain???

The above example shows that these doctors are not even aware that psychosomatic healing exists, otherwise they wouldn't be practicing the above.

We are moving toward Dark Ages

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Maybe its your profession thats moving towards the dark ages?

"We know what is the cause of pneumonia and AIDS, cancer and peptic ulcer, hypertension, schisophrenia, major depression and many other medical conditions."

I beleive you others may not?

It would pay to know something about what I do before you make so many statements about it. Cheers

Yep Gregster..it should be scary

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I mean for someone who hasn't even reached pre-clear status yet.

PS! I heard of a guy snookering himself by shooting for happiness, Scientology style, but when he finally got "clear", he was no longer around to enjoy it.

Its just another variant of the "primacy of consciousness" BS Owen...and an idea that we reject outright as being arbitrary...(without evidence.)

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

Scientology is scary

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Maybe it is scary from where your looking???

Scientology is scary

gregster's picture

Mr "Owen", you are displaying symptoms of delusional psychosis. I guarantee I could fix it and have you normalised but it would take a lot of time and effort on your part.

Much like your treatments the patient must believe the need to be cured.

I would throw in some spelling lessons too.

Allergic to specifics

William Scott Scherk's picture

Kevin Owen: "All illness should be handled with Spiritual and Mental Therapies [psychotherapy] if possible, as medication or drugs are not needed to get improvement and it has no side effects."

-- "Many operations are not needed when the above psychotherapies are used on the physical or mental condition or problem."

-- What I use was only developed in the late 1950s - 1980s and was not available before that time."

-- "[Y]ou are comparing what I do with what the ancient greeks used."

Would you give some examples to illustrate your statements, Kevin? I ask only for myself, but I bet a few more who read your statements would like to know more about the specifics.

When you say 'many operations are not needed,' can you give an example of an operation that would not be needed?

When you say "what I use" and "what I do," can you give a bit more detail?

When you note that all illness should be treated with psychotherapy "if possible," can you tell me how you discern when such treatment is not possible -- and give a concrete example for your readers here?

You write that "anyone can be trained to do it if they have the will to help others." This is interesting. Where does that person who has the will to help others start to get trained in "it"?

WSS

We are moving toward Dark Ages

Leonid's picture

Leonid

I maybe ignorant about your particular mode of treatment but I discuss psychosomatic treatment as a whole. I agree that you may use psychosomatic treatment to attend psychosomatic disorders. The problem is your claim to treat physical diseases in which cause-effect connection is well known, established by scientific methodology. It is not true that modern medicine treats symptoms and not causes of diseases. That exactly what witch doctors do. Without to understand diseases's causality, using empirical methodology of try and error they some times may alleviate symptoms without to treat the real cause of diseases. Their etiology is often mystical and unreal-like a claim that diseases caused by evil spirit or Yan-In imbalance or some kind of spiritual deficit. But modern doctors know that allergy is caused by allergens which start complicated chain reaction of specific type of immune response, each and every step of this chain reaction has been thoroughly investigated and the treatment is based on this body of knowledge. We know what is the cause of pneumonia and AIDS, cancer and peptic ulcer, hypertension, schisophrenia, major depression and many other medical conditions. Each and every of them has specifically designed treatment. This is representing huge amount of knowledge, which is practically unattainable to the single person. That why we have so many medical specialities.Cardiologist wouldn't treat cancer and psychiatrist wouldn't attempt to treat AIDS, as oncologist never will treat depression. Your claim to treat each and every condition without to have slightest hint of knowledge about them is simply astonishing.This is the trade-mark of witch doctory which claims to treat everything from impotence to bad luck. However you apparently right by calling yourself the future practioner.With the mysticism which overwhelms every walk of modern life and with the help of FDA we are moving fast toward Dark Ages.

Spell check doesn't work either

Jameson's picture

Smiling

Wich doctory doesn't work

KevinOwen's picture

"Your psychosomatic treatment was known already to ancient Greeks and it didn't work even for them."

The above statement indicates that you are comparing what I do with what the ancient greeks used. I agree with you that what the Greeks used didn't work and was witch doctoring.

What I use was only developed in the late 1950s - 1980s and was not available before that time. When it was offered to the American Psychiatric Association, American Psychological Association and the American Medical Association, they, without looking at it to see what it was attacked it just like you are. Your above statements show you are totally ignorant of the subject yet you pressume to know something about it by comparing it to Greek Witch Doctory????

To learn anything new one has to be able to look. He also has to realise that he/she doesn't know everything, which also prevents him from looking. A problem the whole field of psychiatry and Psychology has.

Modern Medicine maybe advanced but it only treats symptoms or reduces symptoms. Your words I think.

I don't use any medicine. What I do is not magic, as anyone can be trained to do it if they have the will to help others
You could say I am the future practioner. Like or not.

Wich doctory doesn't work

Leonid's picture

Leonid
"Its one of the main reasons your still using Electric Shock Treatment and dangerous mind alterating drugs to control or change symptoms in the twenty first century."

Actually,I don't mind by what means to treat patients as long as they get better. If you can like Harry Potter use magic wand and eliminate all human suffering from influenza to cancer to major depression-go ahead,you'd blessed as Savior of Humankind. Unfortunately wich doctory doesn't work. That is exactly the reason people developed scientific medicine after thousands of years of wich doctory-to heal people. Your psychosomatic treatment was known already to ancient Greeks and it didn't work even for them.The simple fact is that modern scientific medicine prolonged life span from 40 to 80 years.

Kevin, we are living in 21th century

KevinOwen's picture

"1. It is no such a thing as mind-body dichotomy.Every treatment,even apendectomy affects body and mind."

Its obvious that your not aware of any. [Maybe I could give you a lesson sometime.] That would also include the whole field of psychiatry. Its one of the main reasons your still using Electric Shock Treatment and dangerous mind alterating drugs to control or change symptoms in the twenty first century.

"she knows that she's allergic to peanuts why she insists to eat them for 20 years?"

She doesn't diliberately eat peanuts. So many things have peanut nut ingredients in them that she gets caught out now and then.

Good to see your still posting and sorry I missed the early post. Cheers.

Matty

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"Are you saying the injections never did anything for her? She would have been better off without them?"

No I'm not saying that. They probably saved her life at the time as she wasn't even aware of psychosomatic healing.

She has a long history with medical treatment and knows well what it delivers but gets better results with what I deliver. [no drugs and a vast reduction in symptoms.
I'll let you know when they are gone.

My point is that if you treat symptoms of any illness [when acute] without handling the psychosomatic side of the illness it will continue to get worst until it becomes chronic.

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

The physical healer treats the body.

KevinOwen's picture

"The brain is part of the body. What does a psychosomatic healer like you do with a wonky brain?"

He treats thought or consciousness and the Mind [Memory] and its affect on the body, nervous system, organs etc.
In simple terms he handles stress with effective psychotherapy. When you reduce the psychosomatic stress a person is under his physical and mental health improve.

No I not trolling for customers as I have enough. If you want help you will have to go somewhere else. Cheers

Scientology Bashers

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Good to see the Scientology Bashers are alive and well.
They are easy to spot as they use intelligent verse like "you are all shit". I think it may show more about them than it does me?

They all seem to have one thing in commom though. That is they know nothing of the subject and what they think they know is not from any study of it as there attacks on it are all short sweet and stupid.

Kevin, we are living in 21th century

Leonid's picture

Leonid

1. It is no such a thing as mind-body dichotomy.Every treatment,even apendectomy affects body and mind.

2. All diseases have physical and psychological symptoms.Patient with anxiety attack is presented with chest pain.Patient with heart attack often developes depression-and sometimes it is difficult to distinguish between these two conditions.

3.Good doctor knows how to use physical and psychological means together.Even patient with pneumonia needs psychological support,but this is not substitute for antibiotics.

4.Scientology doesn't have any scientific basis,its name notwithstanding. It simply modern wich doctory. It shouldn't have place in 21th century

5.Regarding to your peanut allergy story:what your patient needs is not psychosomatic treatment but desensibilization which would cure her from her allergy completly.
Besides,if she knows that she's allergic to peanuts why she insists to eat them for 20 years? Is she some kind of masochist or just plain stupid? In the last case it's not suprising that she turned to scientologist for treatment.

6.You've asked to provide you with statistic regarding the use of antidepressants and suicide rate. I've posted the summary of recently published article on "depression" thread, but you failed to response. Is it because you don't like results which show significant increase in suicide rates among young patients with depression after decrease in using of antidepressant medications as result of FDA and modern wich doctory joint brain-washing .

The physical healer treats the body.

William Scott Scherk's picture

The brain is part of the body. What does a psychosomatic healer like you do with a wonky brain?

For example, Parkinson's disease, Stroke, Migraine, Epilepsy . . . and what do you do with suffering people who have been told that they suffer a bipolar illness? Without giving away secrets of your religious technology, can you tell us what you actually do with a person who has been told they suffer from a serious depression?

With regard to your magical healing of the rash-man, considering that he had been treated by other people preceding your magic, how do you know that his improvement was due to your woo-woo and not the preceding ministrations?

Are you trawling for customers among the objectivish? Seems a bit quixotic.

WSS

Nah Linz

Hayden Wood's picture

an elergy is an allergy caused by engrams, are we Clear?

Illiterate con-men

Lindsay Perigo's picture

There's no such thing as an elergy. There are allergies. Kevin, like all Scientologists, you're full of shit. A witch-doctor.

Kevin

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This is great, and it's grounds for scientific inquiry but it's still very anecdotal. It doesn't prove anything. So she's been better recently? Maybe she's been having a good couple of months (weeks?). Are you saying the injections never did anything for her? She would have been better off without them? If she ate a peanut as a child and started to swell up like a boloon she should have gone without medication and just had a little auditing session? What's your point?

Peanut Elergy

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I'm helping a young lady at the moment that has had a peanut elergy for twenty years. Every time she would get a taste of peanuts etc her lips, face, eyes, would all swell up. Her heart rate would increase and she would get very frightened as this elergy can kill a person.

For twenty years her parents have had to rush her in to get treatment [injections] from a medical specialist [ Those that treat physical symptoms]. I have been helping her with the psychosomatic causes of the reaction to peanuts for a couple of months now. Every time she gets a reaction she gives me a call and I handle it without any drugs injections etc, just with psychosomatic healing.

The last time the symptoms turned on there was very little reaction which shows the causes [psychosomatic] of the above symptoms are weaking. She is very happy.

Physical Healing Verses Psychosomatic Healing

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One day a patient turned up at my office with a rash [he had for three weeks] all over his body. The previous week he had been to all the physical healers [GPs, Neurologists, Dermatologists, Naturpaths, etc, and they had all attempted to treat the physical rash itself to try and improve it. He recieved cream, pills in an attempt to help him. The rash had not improved with all this help. If it had he would not be on my door step.

None of these professionals knew anything about psychosomatic healing. They may have had an idea that the condition was psychosomatic but didn't have the skill to handle it with psychosomatic healing. I doubt if they were even aware that there was such a thing.

He had a two hour sesion with me and the rash had already started to lessen. The next day the rash had weakened even further and was gone within a few days.

My point of the above is to show the difference between physical Healing and Psychosomatic Healing.
The physical healer treats the body. The psychosomatic healer treats the Soul [consciousness] and Mind [memory].

"Experts estimate that psychosomatic illnesses account for up to 70 percent of man’s ills, including being too fat or too thin, migraines, allergies and other afflictions not strictly caused by physical reasons."

"Many other problems can be improved

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Kevin Wrote
"Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life"

Leonid Wrote
"Next time you get pneumonia,meningitis,AIDS,tuberculosis,bilharcia or chest gunshot-try education as treatment, but get life insurance first."

Leonid. If you read the statement it doesn't refer to any of the above conditions. It just states that many other problems [ Marriage problems, Money problems, Morals, Drugs, etc etc etc] can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education obviously in those areas needed. Those problems can lead to stress and illness.

I'm sure you would agree with that.???? It might pay to read it and understand it before you react or attack it, as doing that can make one look stupid . Cheers.

Are We Being Unkind To Psyciatrists
Consider this scenario: You run a business and you are concerned about drug abuse, as it is affecting about two percent of your employees. You read in the newspaper about a fellow whose job it is to handle this problem. And he must be pretty successful, because the article says other businesses have paid him millions. You interview him and he tells you that he is an authority on drug abuse and will take care of it for you. No problem. So you hire him. A year later, 20 percent of your employees have a drug problem. The original two percent still take drugs, but they are legal, prescription drugs. It doesn't matter to you—they are still too stoned and out of it to work. So you call in the expert and ask why, after paying him half-a-million dollars, give or take a few cents, you now have a more serious drug problem in your company? He replies, without blinking, "You're right. It's a real problem. This year I'm going to need two million dollars. The first thing I'm going to do is get another expert to do a study on the problem. Then, depending on his findings, I'm going to have to hire a couple more experts to help me and, by the end of the year, we'll have the problem licked." Wouldn't you throw him out of your penthouse office—through the window? We—the taxpaying public—have hired just such an expert. He is psychiatry. And he claimed to be the expert who would take care of society's drug problem, crime and violence problem and education problem. He also said he would take care of our mentally ill and cure them. And we have paid him not millions but billions upon billions of dollars to perform these functions. His results? In the United States, there has been a more than 370 percent increase in violent crime since 1960. Today, a violent crime is committed every sixteen seconds. The rehabilitation of criminals has become a forgotten dream. Instead, we are building more prisons, knowing that in addition to the new criminals, about 80 percent of the old ones are going to end up back in jail. Today, drug abuse is ravaging society, particularly our young. The illicit drug trade moves more money through the world than the economy of some nations. There has been a drop of almost 80 points in SAT scores and more than 90 million Americans, including many high school graduates, are too handicapped by illiteracy to function effectively. As for mental illness, according to census takers, last century one in a thousand people were mentally ill. After World War II, psychiatrists promoted the figure as 1 in 10. Then we heard that it was 28 percent of the population, and now some psychiatrists say that 50 percent of us are suffering from "mental illness." Psychiatry is still doing more studies. And still asking for more money. And still promising that the problems will soon be under control.
Unbelievably, governments still fund them

Kevin,get life insurance

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Leonid

"Many other problems can be improved by increasing a persons abilities and education to cope with life"

Next time you get pneumonia,meningitis,AIDS,tuberculosis,bilharcia or chest gunshot-try education as treatment, but get life insurance first.

Treating an illness with physical treatment

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Physical:Involving the body as distinguished from the mind or spirit.

If someone is treating an illness with a physical treatment you can almost guarantee he/she is not aware that psychosomatic healing even exists. Because he/she is not aware of it, they protest strongly which is fair enough but it does show a lack of any understanding, knowledge or skill in the field.

"Injury and illness are predisposed (made more likely to occur) by the spiritual state of the person. They are precipitated (brought on) by the being himself as a manifestation of his current spiritual condition. And they are prolonged (extended in time beyond normal limits) by any failure to fully handle the spiritual factors associated with them."

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