Evidently, I am 1% thinking.  Facinating. 

You hang out with Edith Packer?! Oh my God! Of all the Objectivists who have published works, she is the one whose work helped me the most and was the most groundbreaking in her field. I would love to meet her someday.

I agree about modern psychology. Very few good examples. Packer. Some cognitive therapists. But mostly crap. I'm glad that you agree that psychology could be very worthwhile.

Kelly

Olivia,

By the way, is that your real name or is Claudia your real one?

Yes, it is hectic, but so worth it when I see how confident, independent, and sweet Livy is. A lot of the kids I teach at the gym have had their personalities dulled out by schooling. They hate learning already (at age 5 or 6!), and they have serious bad attitudes sometimes. They have learned that adults are the enemy. I want Livy to keep her youthful excitement and her innocent assumption that all people want to share interesting hobbies and knowledge with her. That adults are fascinating and friendly to her. Sometimes I think the work is all too much, and I want to put her back in school, but then I see the kids destroyed by modern schooling. That gives me staying power.

The other thing I forgot to mention in my update is that I am going back to school this summer to work toward a degree in PE education. So, in two years or so, I will be able to have a more solid steady income and not have to work so much to keep her home. And I hope to be able to offer a little fun, stress relief, and some rational company to schooled kids who need it so badly. It will be a way, I hope, to keep teaching athletic skills to children (my passion) while making Livy and my life a little more stable. For a while, though, adding school to all the stuff I am doing will be tough. At least there are not many really hard classes that a PE major has to take! Most are fun and lighthearted, like the job itself.

Hope you are doing well too, Olivia! Thanks for the good wishes.

Kelly

that all sounds like a hectic schedule... home-schooling is certainly no small feat, especially when you are a single working mother! It's amazing what you can get accomplished in a day when you have passion on your side. Thanks for weighing in with your update, and all the best to you and Livy.

11 75 75 11 (At least I am consistent)

Roark/Einstein

So you really believe that because modern psychology is a bunch of bs that a study of the human mind, emotions, and behaviors must necessary be so?

No. I believe the former but not the latter, and you are right to make the distinction. I view the Californian Therapy Culture with a mix of incredulity and contempt—mumbo-jumbo purveyed by witch doctors who become rich by turning narcissistic weaklings into cripples. It's part of the Oprahfication of America, which is about the worst thing to have happened in my lifetime.

I haven't read Edith's stuff, but would assume it to be packed with common sense. I suspect she agrees with me about the overall state of her discipline. We hang out whenever I'm in Cali, but I don't think we've ever discussed this, oddly enough.

Linz,

So you really believe that because modern psychology is a bunch of bs that a study of the human mind, emotions, and behaviors must necessary be so? Saying that psychology is rubbish is like saying philosophy is. Yeah, it's pretty much all ridiculous, but that doesn't mean it must be so.

Have you read any of the pamphlets by Edith Packer? I found them incredibly rational and useful examples of psychology.

Kelly

I'm doing really well. Thanks for asking Linz and Claudia. It's nice to feel missed.

I have been working non stop pretty much. I am trying to keep Livy home still, a difficult financial feat for a single mom. I am working at a gym still (and about to take on a team of my own!), and I am cleaning a few houses during the day to make extra money while having Livy with me. And on top of that the homeschooling itself!

She is doing really well. She's almost five, and showing interest in learning to read. She goes through stages of being very into letters or numbers and stages of doing nothing but playing computer games. She does a dance and gymnastics class that she loves, and we just started a homeschool soccer league.

Other than working and spending time with Livy, I work out a ton and hang out with Aaron. He moved into my house about a month ago, and that has been wonderful.

Anyway, there's the Kelly update. I'm headed out now to plant some things in the front garden. It's finally warm and springy here.

Kelly

Don't be dissing rumpology! It's an exact science. One that should be studied closely.

Thanks for the link, Jody. Did not know there was such a study; makes sense though. I think it is very much the case with Myer-Briggs too..because all the temperaments sound OK.

Guess what I found at the link - rumpology!!

Same explanation applies to astrology as well.

Forer effect.

I see its victims in my "boot camps." Wall-to-wall rubbish.

Not surprising you'd say that considering you deem ALL psychology to be rubbish.

Complete twaddle. Asinine rubbish.

You-know-who.

btw... this Myers Briggs stuff is far from twaddle. I totally disagree with you know who.

I second Linz's sentiments!

How's the home-schooling progressing?

My diabolical plan to smoke La Elmore out worked.

Where the hell have you been girl?! Inquiring minds want to know. Inquiring minds, not to mention your fellow emotional H-bombs, have missed you.

Aaron is with Kelly? How long have I been away? And they both live in Atlanta, yet have failed to invite me to dinner?

As for the personality test, Linz put me to sleep with his yawning.

Now I have to post!!!

Anyway, Aaron isn't feeling-less. He is very passionate. It's just that his first response is thinking and analyzing, where mine is an emotional burst. It works really well. Better than any relationship I've been in before, mostly I think, because it isn't as volatile as my relationships in the past. Aaron doesn't get me riled up with his own huge emotions. He is calming to me, and I like the feeling of harmony and peace he gives me. And I spice things up for him! The fact that he is an introvert works well too, cause he doesn't upstage me. Though I am generally attracted to extroverts initially, they usually make me end up feeling like I didn't get enough time to talk and explain and share everything, and they didn't listen enough. It's not that Aaron never talks and I never listen. It's just that we are comfortable with about an 80/20 split.

So basically yes, I am an emotional H-Bomb in all the exciting and maddening ways you would imagine. Aaron loves it, thank goodness.

Kelly

... every time this subject comes up, as it does often (yawn).

But I'm curious about something tangential. From what I'm reading here, Aaron is feelingless, according to this twaddle, right?

But Aaron is with Kelly, the emotional H-bomb, no?

Is this a dialectical attraction of opposites?

Glad to hear that my rule-of-thumb about persons on the internet is working for you.

Not sure if it qualifies as a "piercingly accurate criticism" though. I find some of your posts very insightful too; and I wonder if it is (as Aaron mentions) a result of sharing underlying values and but different takes on an issue resulting from different temperaments.

Hey Suma, you and me could get together and never see anyone, plus just email one another. And you could do my thinking for me; apparently I'm incapable, or at least not inclined - (if you're too busy, we'll contract out to Aaron)

I don't know how reliable Aaron is going to be, he is starting to have feelings! Sure we can form a team, because it looks after all my thinking, rather than sitting back and judging, I start being perceptive like an anthropologist from Mars.

Aaron:I've long wondered that though while shared values are extremely important, if complementary temperaments aren't more compatible than similar ones.

Interesting hypothesis...I have definitely seen plenty of I/E pairings that seem to work well. Let's see if the data on SOLO supports it.

Olivia, glad someone saw my error, this enTj is preferable. My poor ctr+x and ctr+ving.

“Fewer than two percent of people are ENTJs..” “ ..the visionary and original ENTJ. The positive traits of an ENTJ are that they are assertive, outspoken, confident, outgoing, energetic, charismatic, fair-minded and they aren't affected by conflict or criticism.” "..belong to the temperament of the Rationals and are called Fieldmarshals."
But I'm still in with Gore.

You've given the profile for enFj.... not enTj.

In the list of Famous ENTJs:  Al Gore. WTF?

I think that must mean you're on supervised posting from now on doesn't it

Apparently I'm
22 38 50 56
# slightly expressed extravert
# moderately expressed intuitive personality
# moderately expressed thinking personality
# moderately expressed judging personality

I like some of this next but I had to look up "pedagogue."

"ENFJs are the benevolent 'pedagogues' of humanity. They have tremendous charisma by which many are drawn into their nurturant tutelage and/or grand schemes. Many ENFJs have tremendous power to manipulate others with their phenomenal interpersonal skills and unique salesmanship. But it's usually not meant as manipulation -- ENFJs generally believe in their dreams, and see themselves as helpers and enablers, which they usually are.

ENFJs are global learners. They see the big picture. (Yep) The ENFJs focus is expansive. Some can juggle an amazing number of responsibilities or projects simultaneously. Many ENFJs have tremendous entrepreneurial ability."

In the list of Famous ENTJs: Margaret Thatcher and Al Gore. WTF?

Olivia's doing a good job to upset the Objectivist pattern. And Kelly is ESFP (83% 38% 50% 22%) - exact opposite it.

I've long wondered that though while shared values are extremely important, if complementary temperaments aren't more compatible than similar ones. In order I'd actually think having only one J/P , E/I, or to a lesser extent T/F in a pair would work better than both on one side (N/S I actually don't think matters much in relationships). Both people disorganized and unplanned or both type-A OCD causes more conflicts than one being organized and one spontaneous, both being reclusive homebodies or both trying to upstage each other doesn't work as well as one being the socialite, etc. Does anyone else have experience or thoughts on this?

INTP, and my partner is ENFJ - almost exactly opposite.

Supposedly NT signifies a rational type, so I would not be surprised if most people on this site had NT personalities.

INTJ(89%, 75%, 50%, 11%)
* very expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* slightly expressed judging personality

The same personality type as Rand... is there a cure?

INTP (100% 38% 25% 11%)

I'm another Einstein.

E-1% N-50% F-12% P-56% labeled the Champion - how gorgeously grandiose.

I did this test when I was 21 and was a 90% Extrovert. Now I'm only 1%. Wow... I must have slowly become more and more utterly over other people.

Seems Aaron's right about the INTJ being quite prevalent among O'ists.

[PS: Suma, your profile mentions something about the piercingly accurate criticisms of the INTP... I remember a while ago your advice that men on the internet should start at dog and hopefully improve from there! I took that to heart and it's become a common joke between myself and my flat-mate. Very good advice, sorry guys. :-)]

INTJ (67 75 25 56)

You are:
* distinctively expressed introvert
* distinctively expressed intuitive personality
* moderately expressed thinking personality
* moderately expressed judging personality

Not what I expected in many areas. Highly introverted, yes, but 25% for 'thinking' - how did that happen? And high on judgement - so I judge without thinking too much.

And distinctly intuitive? Yes, goes with lack of thinking, but, well, hell ...

I don't want to be that. I'm going to do the test again tomorrow and see if I can pass it.

Hey Suma, you and me could get together and never see anyone, plus just email one another. And you could do my thinking for me; apparently I'm incapable, or at least not inclined - (if you're too busy, we'll contract out to Aaron). I could then be the judge of all the bad characters we might cross. Perhaps we could employ Liz to do our social engagements.

INTJ ( 33% 50% 25% 22% )

INTJ (67% 75% 88% 56%). When I first took MBTI in early college I was INTJ something like (90% 90% 100% 60%). I remember the psychologist admin'ing it for some psych class tried to offer consolation that 100% T doesn't mean you don't _have_ feelings, etc. but I was pretty happy with it. I've taken MBTI maybe every couple years since, have wavered across the N/S line before, and a couple times on J/P, never strongly either way on that one. The others are actually more a surprise this time around - apparently I've become more social over the past year or two and even have a little bit of emotion!

IIRC, INTJ is most prevalent among Oists, with most others only differing in one of the measures.

Edit: why does colon-rightparenthesis now show up as the word 'Smiling' instead of the smiley graphic?