I am currently doing a 'Public Policy' paper at uni. The lecturer's hobby horse is Climate Change, and what governments should do about it. Needless to say, he is firmly of the belief that the warming is man-caused. Read the following correspondence and judge for yourself. I have posted the lecturer's response as the first post.
Hi ********,
It was good to talk to you today. Sorry I couldn't stay
around to continue our discussion, but by then I was running drastically late
for work.
I know you're busy, so I have condensed the information
that I have found against the commonly held belief that there is a consensus
about anthropogenic warming as much as possible.
I was unable to find the reference to the scientists who
were unsatisfied with the IPCC Summary for Policymakers in relation to the
actual scientific report. My understanding was that the Summary was not actually
written by scientists. Nevertheless, it is a relatively minor point.
The main point I was trying to make today was that there
is far from a "consensus" on the opinion that anthropogenic global warming is a
reality.
I did some research, and I can tell you that the
information that you read in the NY Times about only 19 climate experts signing
the Manhattan Climate Realist Declaration is false. There were 152 relevantly qualified signatories
(see below for names and qualifications) with the main points from the
declaration being:
· "there is no convincing evidence
that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity have in the past, are now,
or will in the future cause catastrophic climate change."
· "attempts by governments to
legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage
CO2 reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the
future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly
diminish future prosperity and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to
inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing human suffering."
The full declaration: http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=1
It can by no means be called a "consensus" when you have
that number of eminently qualified people signing the Manhattan declaration.
Wouldn't you agree?
Furthermore, I don't think it is accurate or fair for you
to be saying that the signatories to the Manhattan Declaration are lying when
they advance their climate "skepticism".
As you yourself have admitted, you are a lay-person (as
of course I am). As such, don't you think it would be a good idea to at least present both sides of the
debate in relation to climate change?
For a start, I find it perplexing that you have included
in your "science" lecture slides Michael Mann's "Hockey Stick" graph, which has
been discredited by actual history, such as the Mediaeval Warm Period and the
Little Ice Age. This hockey stick graph has not even been used in the latest
IPCC report!
I really could go on all day, but I appreciate that your
time is limited. I think though that if you take the opportunity to have a
closer look at the "skeptics'" arguments, you will see that they have a very
valid standpoint.
If you would like to continue our discussion at some
point, I would be more than happy.
Kind Regards
Mitch
In addition to the following, there were also a whole
other bunch of qualified endorsers who weren't at the conference. Go here to
see the list, there is a small amount of overlap I think, but it is still a
substantial number:
http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=62&Itemid=1
The following 152 Manhattan
Declaration endorsers are climate science specialists or scientists in closely
related fields (this is a subset extracted from the other lists):
Syun-Ichi Akasofu, PhD,
Professor of Physics, Emeritus and Founding Director, International Arctic
Research Center of the University of Alaska, Fairbanks, Alaska, U.S.A.
William J. R. Alexander PrEng,
Professor Emeritus, Department of Civil and Biosystems Engineering, University
of Pretoria, Honorary Fellow, South African Institution of Civil Engineering,
South Africa
John W. Bales, BA, MA, PhD
(Mathematics, Modeling), Professor, Tuskegee University, Waverly, Alabama,
U.S.A.
Timothy F. Ball, PhD, Chair, Natural
Resources Stewardship Project, environmental consultant and former climatology
professor, University of Winnipeg, Winnipeg, Alberta, Canada
William M. Briggs, PhD., Statistical
Consultant (specializing in accuracy of forecasts and climate variability),
U.S.A.
Stephen Brown, PhD (Environmental
Science, State University of New York), Ground Penetrating Radar Glacier
research, District Agriculture Agent Cooperative Extension Service, University
of Alaska, Fairbanks Mat-Su District Office Palmer; Alaska Agriculture
Extension Agent/Researcher, Alaska, U.S.A.
Robert M. Carter, PhD, Professor,
Marine Geophysical Laboratory, James Cook University, Townsville, Australia
Michael Coffman, PhD, (ecosysytems
analysis and climate change), CEO of Sovereignty International, President of
Environmental Perspectives, Inc., Bangor, Maine, U.S.A.
John Coleman, Founder, The Weather
Channel, Weather Anchor, KUSI-TV, San Diego, California, U.S.A.
Piers Corbyn, ARCS, FRAS, FRMetS,
astrophysicist (Queen Mary College, London), consultant, owner of Weather
Action long range forecasters, degree in Physics (Imperial College London),
England
Richard S. Courtney, PhD, energy and
environmental consultant, IPCC expert reviewer, Falmouth, Cornwall, United
Kingdom
Joseph D'Aleo, MS, BS (University of
Wisconsin) Meteorologist and Climatologist (retired), Executive Director,
ICECAP (International Climate and Environmental Change Assessment Project),
Hudson, New Hampshire, U.S.A.
David Douglass, PhD, Professor of
Physics, University of Rochester, New York, U.S.A.
Peter Friedman, PhD, Member,
American Geophysical Union, Assistant professor of Mechanical Engineering,
University of Massachusetts, Dartmouth, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
Edgar Gärtner, Diplôme d'Etudes
Approfondies (DEA, en Ecologie appliquée, Redaktionsbüro), Frankfurt am Main,
Germany
Fred Goldberg, PhD, Adj Professor,
Royal Institute of Technology (Mechanical Engineering), Secretary General KTH
International Climate Seminar 2006 and Climate analyst, Stockholm, Sweden
Stanley B. Goldenberg, Research
Meteorologist, NOAA, AOML/Hurricane Research Division, Miami, Florida, U.S.A.
Vincent Gray, PhD, New Zealand
Climate Coalition, expert reviewer for the IPCC, author of The Greenhouse
Delusion: A Critique of Climate Change 2001, Wellington, New Zealand
William M. Gray, PhD, Professor
Emeritus (Dept. of Atmospheric Science), Colorado State University, Head of the
Tropical Meteorology Project, Fort Collins, Colorado, U.S.A.
Howard Hayden, PhD, Emeritus
Professor (Physics), University of Connecticut, The Energy Advocate, U.S.A.
Art Horn, Meteorologist (honors,
Lyndon State College, Lyndonville, Vermont), operator, The Art of Weather,
U.S.A.
Craig D. Idso, PhD, Chairman of the
Board of Directors of the Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global
Change, Tempe, Arizona, U.S.A.
Zbigniew Jaworowski, PhD, physicist,
Senior Science Advisor of the Scientific Council of Central Laboratory for
Radiological Protection, Warsaw, Poland
Madhav L. Khandekar, PhD, consultant
meteorologist, (former) Research Scientist, Environment Canada, Editor
"Climate Research" (03-05), Editorial Board Member "Natural Hazards,
IPCC Expert Reviewer 2007, Unionville, Ontario, Canada
William Kininmonth MSc, MAdmin,
former head of Australia's National Climate Centre and a consultant to the
World Meteorological organization's Commission for Climatology, Kew, Victoria,
Australia
David R. Legates, PhD, Director,
Center for Climatic Research, University of Delaware, Newark, Delaware, U.S.A.
Rune B. Larsen, PhD (Geology,
Geochemistry), Associate Professor, Norwegian University of Science and
Technology (NTNU), Trondheim, Norway
Jay Lehr, BEng (Princeton), PhD
(environmental science and ground water hydrology), Science Director, The
Heartland Institute, Chicago, Illinois, U.S.A.
Jennifer Marohasy, BSc, PhD,
Biologist, Writer, Senior Fellow, Institute of Public Affairs, Director,
Australian Environment Foundation, Sydney, Australia
Amos Meyer, Theoretical Physics,
Applied Mathematics, Mathematical Modeling, Chief Scientist, Westport,
Connecticut, U.S.A.
Ferenc Mark Miskolczi, PhD,
atmospheric physicist, formerly of NASA's Langley Research Center, Hampton,
Virginia, U.S.A.
Dr. James J. O'Brien, Emeritus
Professor, Meteorology and Oceanography, Florida State University, Florida,
U.S.A.
R. Timothy Patterson, PhD,
Professor, Dept. of Earth Sciences (paleoclimatology), Carleton University,
Chair - International Climate Science Coalition, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Gary Sharp, Center for Climate/Ocean
Resources Study, Salinas, California, U.S.A.
S. Fred Singer, PhD, Professor
Emeritus (Environmental Sciences), University of Virginia, former director,
U.S. Weather Satellite Service, Science and Environmental Policy Project,
Charlottesville, Virginia, U.S.A.
Douglas Southgate, PhD, Professor of
Agricultural, Environmental and Development Economics, Ohio State University,
Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A.
Roy W. Spencer, PhD, climatologist,
Principal Research Scientist, Earth System Science Center, The University of
Alabama, Huntsville, Alabama, U.S.A.
George H. Taylor, Certified
Consulting Meteorologist, Former State Climatologist (Oregon), Past President,
American Association of State Climatologists, Corvallis, Oregon, U.S.A.
Dr. Mitchell Taylor, Biologist
(Polar Bear Specialist), Wildlife Research Section, Department of Environment,
Igloolik, Nunavut, Canada
Anthony Watts,
ItWorks/IntelliWeather, Founder, surfacestation s.org, Chico, California,
U.S.A.
Gerd-Rainer Weber, PhD, Consulting
Meteorologist, Essen, Germany
Gregory J. Balle, B.E., MSc., PhD.
(Joint Aerospace Engineering and Geophysical Fluid Dynamics), Pukekohe, New
Zealand
Joe Bastardi, BSc, (Meteorology,
Pennsylvania State), meteorologist, State College, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
Matthew Bastardi, BSc (Meteorology,
Texas A and M University), Florida, U.S.A.
Ernst-Georg Beck, Dipl. Biol.,
Biologist, Dept. Biotechnology and Nutrition Science, Merian-Schule, Freiburg,
Germany
David Bellamy, OBE, English botanist,
author, broadcaster, environmental campaigner, Hon. Professor of Botany
(Geography), University of Nottingham, Hon. Prof. Faculty of Engineering and
Physical Systems, Central Queensland University, Hon. Prof. of Adult and
Continuing Education, University of Durham, United Nations Environment Program
Global 500 Award Winner, Dutch Order of The Golden Ark, Bishop Auckland County,
Durham, U.K.
Andre Bernier, Meteorologist,
WJW-TV, Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
Sally Bernier, Meterologist,
Cleveland, Ohio, U.S.A.
Mi.I.Bhat, Professor (Tectonics,
Department of Geology & Geophysics, University of Kashmir), Sprinagar,
Jammu & Kashmir, India
Sonja A. Boehmer-Christiansen, PhD,
Reader, Dept. of Geography, University of Hull, Hull, United Kingdom
John W. Brosnahan, Vanderpool,
Texas, U.S.A., Research Physicist (Atmospheric Remote Sensing), atmospheric
science consultant, founder of Signal Hill Research, LLC., former President of
Alpha/Power, Inc., founder of LaSalle Research Inc., founder of Tycho
Technology Inc.
Reid A. Bryson, Ph.D., D.Sc.,
D.Engr., Senior Scientist, Center for Climatic Research, Emeritus Prof. of
Meteorology, of Geography, and of Environmental Studies, University of
Wisconsin, Madison, Wisconsin, U.S.A.
Dan Carruthers, M.Sc., wildlife
biology consultant specializing in animal ecology in Arctic and Subarctic
regions, Alberta, Canada
George Chilingar, PhD, Professor,
Department of Civil and Environmental Engineering of Engineering, University of
Southern California, Los Angeles, California, U.S.A.
Ian D. Clark, PhD, Professor
(isotope hydrogeology and paleoclimatology), Dept. of Earth Sciences,
University of Ottawa, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Charles A. Clough, BS (Mathematics,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology), MS (Atmospheric Science, Texas Tech
University), former (to 2006) Chief of the US Army Atmospheric Effects Team at
Aberdeen Proving Ground, Maryland; now residing in Bel Air, Maryland, U.S.A.
Michael Clover, PhD
(experimental nuclear physics); Computer Simulation, Senior Scientist,
Science Applications International Corp., San Diego, California, U.S.A.
Martin Coniglio, Meteorologist,
KUSA-TV, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
Paul Copper, BSc, MSc, PhD, DIC,
FRSC, Professor Emeritus, Department of Earth Sciences, Laurentian University
Sudbury, Ontario, Canada
Allan Cortese, meteorological
researcher and spotter for the National Weather Service, retired computer
professional, Billerica, Massachusetts, U.S.A.
Susan Crockford, PhD
(Zoology/Evolutionary Biology/Archaeozoology), Adjunct Professor
(Anthropology/Faculty of Graduate Studies), University of Victoria, Victoria,
British Colombia, Canada
Dalcio K. Dacol, PhD (physics,
University of California at Berkely), physicist at the US Naval Research
Laboratory, Washington, D.C, U.S.A.
Dave Dahl, BSc (Meteorology, Florida
State University), Chief Meteorologist, 5 EYEWITNESS NEWS/KSTP-TV, Saint Paul,
Minnesota, U.S.A.
Willem De Lange, PhD, MSc(Hons),
Dphil (Computer and Earth Sciences), Senior Lecturer in Earth and Ocean
Sciences, Waikato University, Hamilton, New Zealand
David Deming, PhD (Geophysics),
Associate Professor, College of Arts and Sciences, University of Oklahoma,
Norman, Oklahoma, U.S.A.
Robert Durrenberger, PhD, former
Arizona State Climatologist and President of the American Association of State
Climatologists, Professor Emeritus of Geography, Arizona State University; Sun
City, Arizona, U.S.A..
Freeman J. Dyson, PhD, Emeritus
Professor of Physics, Institute for Advanced Studies, Princeton, New Jersey,
U.S.A.
Don J. Easterbrook, PhD, Emeritus
Professor of Geology, Western Washington, University, Bellingham, Washington,
U.S.A.
Per Engene, PhD, Biologist,
Valenvegen, Norway
Robert H. Essenhigh, PhD, E.G.
Bailey Professor of Energy Conversion, Dept. of Mechanical Engineering, The
Ohio State University, Columbus, Ohio, U.S.A.
David Evans, PhD (EE), MSc (Stat),
MSc (EE), MA (Math), BE (EE), BSc, mathematician, carbon accountant,
computer and electrical engineer and head of 'Science Speak', Perth, Western
Australia, Australia
Donald W. Farley, P.Eng, M.Eng.
(Water Resources Engineering & Hydrology), Gatineau, Quebec, Canada
Robert Jacomb Foster, BE (Adelaide
University), palaeoclimatologist and energy economist, Director Lavoisier
Group; past Councillor Royal Society of Victoria and Victorian Institute of
Marine Science, Melbourne, Australia
Louis Fowler, BS (Mathematics), MA
(Physics), 33 years in environmental measurements (Ambient Air Quality
Measurements), Austin, Texas, U.S.A.
Lee C. Gerhard, PhD, Senior
Scientist Emeritus, University of Kansas, past director and state geologist,
Kansas Geological Survey, U.S.A.
Albrecht Glatzle, PhD, ScAgr,
Agro-Biologist and Gerente ejecutivo, Tropical pasture research and land use
management, INTTAS, Asunción, Paraguay
Indur M. Goklany, PhD (Electrical
Eng, Michigan State University), climate policy analyst, Vienna, Virginia,
U.S.A.
Wayne Goodfellow, PhD (Earth
Science), Ocean Evolution, Paleoenvironments, Adjunct Professor, Senior
Research Scientist, University of Ottawa, Geological Survey of Canada, Ottawa,
Ontario, Canada
David Gray, PhD (EE Stanford U.,
Electromagnetic Wave Transmission (in Atmosphere, and fiber)), Asst Professor
of Engineering, Messiah College, Grantham, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
Thomas B. Gray, MS, Meteorology,
Retired, USAF, Yachats, Oregon, U.S.A.
Ross Hays, Atmospheric Scientist,
NASA Columbia Scientific Balloon Facility, Palestine, Texas, U.S.A.
D. Hebert, PhD, Faculty for
Chemistry and Physics, Institut fur Angewandte Physik, Freiberg, Germany
Hug Hienz, PhD, (Chemistry,
University of Mainz, Germany), former Professor of Organic Chemistry and
Analytical Chemistry, Germany
Warwick S. Hughes, MSc Hon.
(University of Auckland, New Zealand), geologist (retired), Canberra, Australia
Ole Humlum, PhD, Physical Geography,
Professor, University of Oslo, Oslo, Norway
Sherwood B. Idso, PhD, President,
Center for the Study of Carbon Dioxide and Global Change, Tempe, Arizona,
U.S.A.
Albert F. Jacobs, MS, P. Geology,
retired geologist, co-founder Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta, Canada
Terrell Johnson, ,B.S. Zoology, M.S.
Wildlife & Range Resources, Air & Water Quality, Principal
Environmental Engineer, Green River, Wyoming, U.S.A.
Wibjörn Karlén, PhD, Emeritus
Professor, Department of Physical Geography and Quaternary Geology, Stockholm
University, Stockholm, Sweden
Joel M. Kauffman, PhD (Organic
Chemistry, M.I.T.), Professor of Chemistry Emeritus, University of the Sciences
in Philadelphia, Pennsylvania, U.S.A.
David Kear, PhD, FRSNZ, CMG,
geologist, former Director-General of NZ Dept. of Scientific & Industrial
Research, Whakatane, Bay of Plenty, New Zealand
R.W.J. Kouffeld, PhD, Emeritus
Professor - Energy Conversion, Technical University Delft, Driebergen, The
Netherlands
Olav M. Kvalheim, Professor,
Department of Chemistry, Univ. of Bergen, Bergen, Norway
Douglas Leahey, PhD, meteorologist
and air-quality consultant, President - Friends of Science, Calgary, Alberta,
Canada
Marcel Leroux, PhD, Professor
Emeritus of Climatology, University of Lyon, former director of Laboratory of
Climatology, Risks and Environment, France
Bryan Leyland, M.Sc., FIEE, FIMechE,
FIPENZ, MRSNZ, consulting engineer (power), Secretary - International Climate
Science Coalition, Auckland, New Zealand
William Lindqvist, PhD, consulting
Geologist and Company Director, Tiburon, California, U.S.A.
Keith Lockitch, PhD (Physics,
University of Wisconsin, Milwaukee), Science and Environmental Policy, Resident
Fellow, Ayn Rand Institute, Irvine, California, U.S.A.
Endel Lippmaa, Prof.Dr.habil
(Physics, Chemistry), Chairman - Energy Council of the Estonian Academy of
Science, Tallinn, Estonia
Anthony R. Lupo, Ph.D., Associate
Professor of Atmospheric Science, Department of Soil, Environmental, and
Atmospheric Science, University of Missouri, Columbia, Missouri, U.S.A.
Richard Mackey, Statistician, author
of papers about the role of the Sun in the Earth's climate dynamics and
biographer of Rhodes W. Fairbridge, Canberra, Australia
Horst Malberg, PhD, former director
of Institute of Meteorology, Free University of Berlin, Germany
Les McDonald, RP Bio; Senior Impact
Assessment Biologist, BC Environmental Protection (retired); Consulting Aquatic
Biologist, Cranbrook, British Columbia, Canada
Alister McFarquhar, PhD
(international economy, Downing College), Cambridge, United Kingdom
John McLean, Climate Data Analyst,
Post-graduate Diploma of Computer Studies, B. Arch., Climate Data Analyst,
Computer scientist, Melbourne, Australia
Rob Meleon, PhD, biochemist, CSO
Pepscan, Lelystad, The Netherlands
Fred Michel, PhD, Director,
Institute of Environmental Sciences, Associate Professor of Earth Sciences,
Carleton University, Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Asmunn Moene, PhD, MSc
(Meteorology), former head of the Forecasting Centre, Meteorological Institute,
Oslo, Norway
H. Michael "Mike" Mogil,
Certified Consulting Meteorologist (three decades with NOAA), weather educator
and science writer, How the Weatherworks, Naples, Florida, U.S.A.
M. R. Morgan, PhD, Cdr., FRMS,
climate consultant, former meteorology advisor to the World Meteorological
Organization. Previously research scientist in climatology at University of
Exeter, U.K, now residing in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, Canada
Nils-Axel Mörner, PhD (Sea Level
Changes and Climate), Emeritus Professor of Paleogeophysics & Geodynamics,
Stockholm University, Stockholm, Sweden
Luboš Motl, PhD, Physicist, former
Harvard string theorist, Charles University, Prague, Czech Republic
Robert Neff, M.S. (Meteorology, St
Louis University), Weather Officer, USAF; Contractor support to NASA
Meteorology Satellites, Retired, Camp Springs, Maryland, U.S.A.
John Nicol, BSc (University of
Queensland), PhD (James Cook University); Radio Physics and High Resolution
Optical Spectroscopy, former Senior Lecturer of Physics at James Cook
University, Townsville, Australia; now residing in Brisbane, Australia
David Nowell, M.Sc., Fellow of the
Royal Meteorological Society, former chairman of the NATO Meteorological Group,
Ottawa, Ontario, Canada
Cliff Ollier, PhD, Professor
Emeritus (Geology), Research Fellow, University of Western Australia, Crawley,
Australia
Pat Palmer, MAgrSc (agronomy),
pollution control expert (sources and effects on health), retiired from Crop
Research Division, DSIR, Christchurch, New Zealand
Donald Parkes, PhD, BA (Hons), MA,
retired Professor Human Ecology, Australia and Japan
James A. Peden, Atmospheric
Physicist, webmaster Middlebury Networks, Vermont, U.S.A.
Al Pekarek, PhD, Associate Professor
of Geology, Earth and Atmospheric Sciences Dept., St. Cloud State University,
St. Cloud, Minnesota, U.S.A
Daniel Joseph Pounder, BS
(Meteorology, University of Oklahoma), MS (Atmospheric Sciences, University of
Illinois in Urbana-Champaign); Weather Forecasting, Meteorologist, WILL
AM/FM/TV, the public broadcasting station of the University of Illinois,
Urbana, U.S.A.
Brian Pratt, PhD, Professor of
Geology (Sedimentology), University of Saskatchewan, Saskatoon, Saskatchewan,
Canada
Dr. Harry N.A. Priem, PhD, Professor
(retired) Utrecht University, isotope and planetary geology, Past-President
Royal Netherlands Society of Geology and Mining, Amsterdam, The Netherlands
Art Robinson, PhD (Chemistry),
founder and Professor of Chemistry, Oregon Institute of Science and Medicine,
Cave Junction, Oregon, U.S.A.
Robert G. Roper, PhD, Emeritus
Professor of Atmospheric Sciences, Georgia Institute of Technology, Atlanta,
Georgia, U.S.A.
Arthur Rorsch, PhD, Emeritus
Professor, Molecular Genetics, Leiden University, Leiden, The Netherlands
Curt Rose, BA, MA (University of
Western Ontario), MA, PhD (Clark University), Professor Emeritus, Department of
Environmental Studies and Geography, Bishop's University, Sherbrooke, Quebec,
Canada
Robert Roseman, Meteorology &
Climatology, TV Meteorologist, Denver, Colorado, U.S.A.
Rob Scagel, MSc (forest microclimate
specialist), Principal Consultant - Pacific Phytometric Consultants, Surrey,
British Columbia, Canada
Clive Schaupmeyer, M.Sc., P.Ag. ,
Coaldale, Alberta, Canada
Bruce Schwoegler, BS (Meteorology
and Naval Science, University of Wisconsin-Madison), Chief Technology Officer,
MySky Communications Inc, meteorologist, science writer and
principal/co-founder of MySky, Lakeville, Massachusetts, U.S.A. .
Tom V. Segelstad, PhD (Geology/Geochemistry),
Head of the Geological Museum and Associate Professor of Resource and
Environmental Geology, University of Oslo, Norway
Thomas P. Sheahen, PhD (physics,
Massachusetts Institute of Technology), specialist in energy sciences, notably
renewable energy, Oakland, Maryland, U.S.A.
Paavo Siitam, M.Sc., agronomist and
chemist, Cobourg, Ontario, Canada
L. Graham Smith, PhD, Associate
Professor in Geography, specialising in Resource Management, University of
Western Ontario, London, Ontario, Canada.
Oleg G. Sorokhtin, PhD, Director of
Ocean Laboratory, Russian Academy of Sciences, Moscow, Russia
T. J. ("Jim") Sprott, PhD,
OBE, MSc, FNZIC, consulting chemist, forensic scientist, Auckland, New
Zealand
Walter Starck, PhD (marine science),
marine biologist (specialization in coral reefs and fisheries with 1000 dives
from northern Cape York to the Capricorn group), author, photographer,
Townsville, Australia
Peter Stilbs, TeknD, Professor of
Physical Chemistry, Research Leader, School of Chemical Science and
Engineering, KTH (Royal Institute of Technology), Stockholm, Sweden
Malcolm Taylor, Dip ES (Climatology
and Hydrology specialization), Power Systems Analyst, Otago, New Zealand
Dick Thoenes, PhD, Emeritus
Professor of Chemical Engineering, Eindhoven University of Technology,
Dwingeloo, The Netherlands
Wolfgang Thüne, PhD, Dipl.-Met.,
Senior Meteorologist and Sociologist, Oppenheim, Germany
Göran Tullberg, Civilingenjör i Kemi
(equivalent to Masters of Chemical Engineering), currently teacher of Environmental
Protection Engineering and Organic Chemistry at University in Växjö; Falsterbo,
Sweden
Brian G. Valentine, PhD, PE (Chem.),
Technology Manager - Industrial Energy Efficiency, Adjunct Associate Professor
of Engineering Science, University of Maryland at College Park, Dept. of
Energy, Washington D.C., U.S.A.
Gerrit J. van der Lingen, PhD,
geologist and paleoclimatologist, climate change consultant, Geoscience
Research and Investigations, Christchurch, New Zealand
Roderick W. Van Koughnet, BS
(Geology), MS (Geology (Geophysics), Wright State University), Senior
Geoscientist, L&M Petroleum, Wellington, New Zealand
Gösta Walin, Professor, i
oceanografi, Earth Science Center, Göteborg University, Göteborg, Sweden
Forese-Carlo Wezel, Professor of
Stratigraphy (global and Mediterranean geology, mass biotic extinctions and
paleoclimatology), University of Urbino, Urbino, Italy
Boris Winterhalter, PhD, senior
marine researcher (retired), Geological Survey of Finland, former professor in
marine geology, University of Helsinki, Helsinki, Finland
David E. Wojick, PhD, P.Eng.,
energy consultant, Star Tannery, Virginia, U.S.A.
Arnold Woodruff, M.Sc.(Atmospheric
Physics, U.C.W.Aberystwyth), B.Sc.(Physics, Durham), Terrestial &
Spaceborne Exploration Geophysics, Consultant Geophysicist, Woodruff
Exploration & Production Ltd., Huntingdon, Cambridgeshire, U.K.
Josef Zboril, MSc. (Chemistry),
Board Member, Confederation of Industry, Prague, Czech Republic
A. Zichichi, PhD, President of the
World Federation of Scientists, Geneva, Switzerland; Emeritus Professor of
Advanced Physics, University of Bologna, Bologna, Italy
Ref: http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=66&Itemid=1
What was YOUR point, Richard?
I'm tired of having to read between the lines of your freakin' cryptograms.
Pointless
You link to The National Center for Policy Analysis who tell us that the Medieval Warm Period had "temperatures comparable to today's averages" - in other words, about the same - and then indicate that England's status as a wine producer has plummeted since the Middle Ages.
So what's the explanation, if not the climate? Modern advancements in harvesting, perhaps?
Richard. I tried several
Richard. I tried several searches and only found vinyards in England to be as north as Yorkshire and Darbyshire.
kkulak
Authority figure worship is
Authority figure worship is easy in the world of academia because those who do it are very likely to keep their jobs, and those who aspire to be authority figures themselves just need to make "innovations" that extend the orthodox of their particular field slightly, and in a way that the other authority figures agree with.
This is especially true among the environmentalists because they want to believe that their cause, and their set of knowledge is so important that they should be put in charge of the world's governments and economic policies. So you have a dangerous mix of elitist PHD second handers and a utopian zeal.
"Consensus" in such in environment is probably a good indicator that we ought to doubt, or at least strongly question, not an indicator that we ought to follow along.
- Jason
. . .
What's your point, Jameson?
Don't mention the warmth
1100 years later, with all the advancements in harvesting and growing technology/techniques - not to mention genetic modification etc - and they are finally growing grapes again (in favourable micro-climates) in England.
You're right - best not to mention genetic modification - because there are no genetically modified grapes in commercial production.
Damn those pesky facts of reality.
Have another wine you wowser...
The National Center for Policy Analysis: "... [during the Medieval Warm Period] England was able to compete economically with France in wine production."
In 2005 the U.K. came in at 69 out of 70 countries in global wine production (behind Kyrgyzstan, Estonia and Bolivia), producing a whopping 15,000 hectolitres of the stuff. In the same year France, still number one, bottled 286,175,000 hl.
Yes, Dr Goode
1100 years later, with all the advancements in harvesting and growing technology/techniques - not to mention genetic modification etc - and they are finally growing grapes again (in favourable micro-climates) in England.
Wow, it MUST be warmer now!
Note: Many of the vineyards you linked to were started in the early 1970s, with the earliest in 1969. This was around about the time we were supposed to be heading for an ice-age. Many of the vineyard profiles also make big notes about how they are using the "latest wine-growing techniques"
http://www.englishwineproducer...
How far north?
Mitch what is with your professors assertion that we are now in warmer times than the medieval ages? We can't be. It was so warm back then, they were growing vineyards in northern England!
How far north, Kaspar? Farther north than Yorkshire?
Warm monger
Al Gore, Chief Warm monger: "We are the most powerful force of nature now. We are literally changing the relationship between the Earth and the Sun." Gore added that mankind's CO2 emissions have "the capacity to bring civilization itself to a dead halt."
Without trying to match his hyperbole, this man will be exposed in years to come as the most intellectually corrupt politician ever.
Last time I looked the Sun was still rather large. He's saying a race that produces, to use warmist parlance, a near undetectable 'carbon footprint' will contribute to this grand scale.
Is he planning to plug all the volcanoes next? Or maybe he'll hit the countries with the suggestion of a 'volcanic discharge tax?'
I'm not at all surprised with your lecturer's views. He's merely another sad second-hander, and another indictment of academia. What was the lecturer's response Mitch to http://www.solopassion.com/nod... ?
(http://firstfriday.wordpress.c...)
(http://article.nationalreview....)
Mitch what is with your
Mitch what is with your professors assertion that we are now in warmer times than the medieval ages? We can't be. It was so warm back then, they were growing vineyards in northern England!
These leftist university lecturers would love a big excuse to collectivize the planet so that they can feel important. Just imagine the responsibility and job prospects.
Legislation, economic development, health and safety, distributions of resources and so on, would all fall back onto the academics ('who know best').
kkulak
Here's some more...
'Global Warming Will Stop', New Peer-Reviewed Study Says
Global Warming Takes a Break for Nearly 20 Years?
Today’s UK Telegraph reports: “Global warming will stop until at least 2015 because of natural variations in the climate, scientists have said. Researchers studying long-term changes in sea temperatures said they now expect a "lull" for up to a decade while natural variations in climate cancel out the increases caused by man-made greenhouse gas emissions. The average temperature of the sea around Europe and North America is expected to cool slightly over the decade while the tropical Pacific remains unchanged. This would mean that the 0.3°C global average temperature rise which has been predicted for the next decade by the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change may not happen, according to the paper published in the scientific journal Nature.” End article excerpt.
This significant new study adds to a growing body of peer-reviewed literature and other scientific analysis challenging former Vice President Al Gore and the United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate change (IPCC). MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen’s March 2008 presentation of data from the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office found the Earth has had “no statistically significant warming since 1995.”- LINK.
Australian paleoclimate scientist Dr. Bob Carter also noted in 2007 that “ the accepted global average temperature statistics used by the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change show that no ground-based warming has occurred since 1998.” Carter explained that the “temperature stasis has occurred despite an increase over the same period of 15 parts per million (or 4 per cent) in atmospheric CO2.” (LINK)
An August 7, 2007, peer-reviewed study by the UK Met Office, Britain's version of our National Weather Service, conceded that global warming had stopped as well. Both the journal Nature and UK Met Office analysis which appeared in the journal Science predict a continuation of global warming in future years. [Note: Hyping yet more unproven computer models of the future in response to inconvenient evidence based data is the primary tool of the promoters of man-made climate doom. But it now appears that even these computer model scenarios are failing to predict a man-made climate “crisis.” Even the activists over at RealClimate.org admitted on April 10th that climate models were not "forecasts" or "predictions" but rather "scenarios." (LINK) ]
Today’s new study in Nature essentially finds that global warming will have stopped for nearly 20 years. (1998 until 2015) According to the UK Telegraph article: “Writing in Nature, the scientists said: ‘Our results suggest that global surface temperature may not increase over the next decade, as natural climate variations in the North Atlantic and tropical Pacific temporarily offset the projected anthropogenic [manmade] warming.’”
The UK Telegraph article by reporter Charles Clover noted the significant deficiencies in UN climate models: “The IPCC currently does not include in its models actual records of such events as the strength of the Gulf Stream and the El Nino cyclical warming event in the Pacific, which are known to have been behind the warmest year ever recorded in 1998.”
The evidence based data showing the Earth’s failure to continue warming has confounded the promoters of man-made climate fear. The American people have consistently rejected climate alarm as a Gallup Poll released on Earth Day 2008 shows the American public’s concern about man-made global warming is unchanged from 1989. Gore's $300 million dollar campaign to promote climate fear is attempting to convince American's that they face a climate "crisis" despite the new accumulating scientific evidence to the contrary.
The latest peer-reviewed scientific data showing the dominance of natural climate variability appears to be directly at odds with Gore's central climate message. On May 25, 2006, Gore declared, "We are the most powerful force of nature now. We are literally changing the relationship between the Earth and the Sun." Gore added that mankind's CO2 emissions have "the capacity to bring civilization itself to a dead halt." (LINK) [Note: Unfortunately, children seem to be the most susceptible to Gore and others baseless climate doomsday message. See: New York Times article: Children may be driving alarm over global warming (LINK) Also, read more about global warming propaganda campaign aimed at kids here ]
This new study in Nature further reveals a “tipping point” for the promoters of climate alarm. 2007 and now 2008 have challenged man-made climate fear as new peer-reviewed studies continue to debunk rising CO2 fears. A U.S. Senate minority report reveals over 400 scientists dissented from man-made climate fears, and more and more scientists continue to declare themselves skeptical of a man-made climate “crisis” in 2008.
Sampling of key inconvenient developments for promoters of a man-made climate “crisis” so far in 2008: (See also related link at bottom of this report)
1) Oceans Cooling! Scientists puzzled by “mystery of global warming's missing heat”- LINK
2) New Data from NASA’s Aqua satellite is showing “greatly reduced future warming projected as a consequence of carbon dioxide.”- LINK
3) Former NASA Climatologist Dr. Roy Spencer found not one peer-reviewed paper has 'ruled out a natural cause for most of our recent warmth' – LINK
4) UN IPCC in 'Panic Mode' as Earth Fails to Warm, Scientist says – LINK
5) UN IPCC Chairman Rajendra Pachauri “to look into the apparent temperature plateau so far this century.”- LINK
6) New scientific analysis shows Sun “could account for as much as 69% of the increase in Earth's average temperature” – LINK & LINK.
7) Scientists find dust free atmosphere may be responsible for up to .36 F rise in global temps (LINK)
8) Analysis in peer-reviewed journal finds cold periods – not warm periods – see increase in floods, droughts, storms, famine (LINK)
9) New York Times Laments Media's incorrect hyping of frogs and global warming (LINK)
10) Prominent hurricane expert reconsiders global warming's impact (LINK)
11) MIT Climate Scientist Dr. Richard Lindzen’s March 2008 presentation of data from the Hadley Centre of the UK Met Office found the Earth has had “no statistically significant warming since 1995.”- (LINK)
12) An International team of scientists released a March 2008 report to counter UN IPCC, declaring: “Nature, Not Human Activity, Rules the Climate” – LINK
http://epw.senate.gov/public/i...
Here's some...
"I was unable to find the reference to the scientists who
were unsatisfied with the IPCC Summary for Policymakers in relation to the actual scientific report."
"Many who were part of the IPCC condemn it. Richard Lindzen, professor of meteorology at MIT and IPCC lead author says, “The truth is that we are not even asked.” IPCC author John Christy says that many scientists listed in agreement with the IPCC’s thesis are not in agreement or have resigned.
IPCC expert reviewer and climate researcher Dr. Vincent Gray bluntly states, “The claims of the IPCC are dangerous unscientific nonsense. All the science of the IPCC is unsound.”
http://www.planetjh.com/news/A...
Huh?
"LOOK AT THE LIST OF SIGNATORIES. COUNT UP THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY HOLD SENIOR POSITIONS IN THE WORLD'S MAJOR UNIVERSITIES.."
Yes, well just to think of one who has a high profile, Robert M. "Bob" Carter is a research professor in the Marine Geophysical Laboratory at James Cook University, Australia.
Of course, I know that does not qualify as an important enough university, in your Professor's defintion.
He is just trying to shut you up with the argument from authority!!! However, a position of authority hardly gives the indication of the truth of a proposition!!!
Lecturer's Response
Martin Manning (see below)
various 'sceptics' pubished by the Fraser Institute last year. This was a
key response to the IPCC 4AR. I take comfort from their recognition that the
greenhouse gas hypothesis is 'credible and merits continued attention' .... I've
sent you the link to the report.
Hi ********,
It was good to talk to you today. Sorry I couldn't stay
around to continue our discussion, but by then I was running drastically late
for work.
I know you're busy, so I have condensed the information
that I have found against the commonly held belief that there is a consensus
about anthropogenic warming as much as possible.
I was unable to find the reference to the scientists who
were unsatisfied with the IPCC Summary for Policymakers in relation to the
actual scientific report. My understanding was that the Summary was not actually
written by scientists. Nevertheless, it is a relatively minor point.
The main point I was trying to make today was that there
is far from a "consensus" on the opinion that anthropogenic global warming is a
reality.
I did some research, and I can tell you that the
information that you read in the NY Times about only 19 climate experts signing
the Manhattan Climate Realist Declaration is false. There were 152
relevantly qualified signatories (see below for names and qualifications) with
the main points from the declaration being:
WHAT I SAID WAS, THE NYT REPORTED THAT WHEN THE
SCIENTISTS IN THE ROOM WERE ASKED TO STAND AND GO TO X FOR A PHOTO, THERE
WERE ONLY 19 PEOPLE. i AM SIMPLY REPORTING WHAT I READ. See NYT 4 March 2008
'Cool view of science at meeting on warming' -- last sentence
MITCH: LOOK AT THE LIST OF SIGNATORIES. COUNT UP THE NUMBER
OF PEOPLE WHO CURRENTLY HOLD SENIOR POSITIONS IN THE WORLD'S MAJOR
UNIVERSITIES, WHETHER IN NORTH AMERICA, EUROPE, JAPAN OR ELSEWHERE (EG.
HARVARD, MIT, YALE, COLUMBIA, BERKELEY, OXFORD, CAMBRIDGE, ANU, TOKYO, ETC.). I
CANNOT FIND ANYONE. AS AN ACADEMIC, THIS TELLS ME A GREAT DEAL. MOST OF THE
PEOPLE ON THE LIST ARE RETIRED, OR RELATIVELY JUNIOR, OR ARE AT 'MINOR' RESEARCH
INSTITUTES/UNIVERSITIES, ETC. HARDLY ANY ARE FELLOWS OF THEIR RESPECTIVE
RESEARCH ACADEMIES ...
· "there is no convincing evidence
that CO2 emissions from modern industrial activity have in the past, are now, or
will in the future cause catastrophic climate change."
HOW IS
'CATASTROPHIC' CLIMATE CHANGE BEING DEFINED? PRESUMABLY FEW OF THE SIGNATORIES
DISPUTE THE BASIC GREENHOUSE HYPOTHESIS OR THE ENHANCED GREENHOUSE
HYPOTHESIS
· "attempts by governments to
legislate costly regulations on industry and individual citizens to encourage
CO2 reduction will slow development while having no appreciable impact on the
future trajectory of global climate change. Such policies will markedly
diminish future prosperity THERE IS NO STRONG ECONOMIC EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT
THIS and so reduce the ability of societies to adapt to
inevitable climate change, thereby increasing, not decreasing human
suffering."
The full declaration: http://www.climatescienceinternational.org/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=37&Itemid=1
It can by no means be called a "consensus" when you have
that number of eminently qualified people signing the Manhattan declaration.
Wouldn't you agree?
IF CONSENSUS REQUIRES 100% AGREEMENT, THEN YOU ARE CORRECT;
IT IS REQUIRES A VERY LARGE MEASURE OF AGREEMENT THEN ALL THE EVIDENCE SUGGESTS
THAT THE OVERWHELMING MAJORITY OF SCIENTISTS WHO ARE IN A POSITION TO MAKE AN
INFORMED JUDGEMENT SUPPORT THE BASIC CONTENTIONS OF THE IPCC. NOTE THAT
ALL THE MAJOR NATIONAL ACADEMIES OF SCIENCE (US, UK, RUSSIAN, GERMAN,
CANADIAN, ETC.) AND MOST OF THE RELEVANT DISCIPLINARY ACADEMIES SUPPORT THE IPCC
POSITION
Furthermore, I don't think it is accurate or fair for you
to be saying that the signatories to the Manhattan Declaration are lying when
they advance their climate "skepticism".
As you yourself have admitted, you are a lay-person (as of
course I am). As such, don't you think it would be a good idea to at
least present both sides of the debate in relation to climate
change?
YOU WILL SEE, IF YOU HAVE LOOKED AT YOUR COURSE READINGS,
THAT I HAVE INCLUDED A READING BY ONE OF THE LEADING SCEPTICS -- LORD
LAWSON
For a start, I find it perplexing that you have included
in your "science" lecture slides Michael Mann's "Hockey Stick" graph, which has
been discredited by actual history, such as the Mediaeval Warm Period and the
Little Ice Age. This hockey stick graph has not even been used in the latest
IPCC report!
THE SLIDES ARE NOT MINE. THEY ARE THOSE OF PROFESSOR
MARTIN MANNING, WHO IS THIS UNIVERSITY'S PROFESSOR OF CLIMATE CHANGE AND A
VERY DISTINGUISHED CLIMATE SCIENTIST WITH A HIGH INTERNATIONAL REPUTATION (AND
WHO GAVE THE LECTURE THAT YOU MISSED). THE HOCKEY STICK GRAPH HAS NOT BEEN
DISCREDITED; IT HAS BEEN CHALLENGED ON VARIOUS GROUNDS BUT ALL THE MOST RECENT
EVIDENCE I HAVE SEEN SUPPORTS THE BASIC CONTENTION -- I.E. THAT THE WORLD IS
HOTTER NOW THAN IN THE MEDIAEVAL WARM PERIOD, AND THIS POINT IS MADE IN THE MOST
RECENT IPCC REPORT
I really could go on all day, but I appreciate that your
time is limited. I think though that if you take the opportunity to have a
closer look at the "skeptics'" arguments, you will see that they have a very
valid standpoint.
I HAVE READ A GOOD DEAL OF THE SKETICS ARGUMENTS AND
HAVE A FOLDER OF MATERIAL. IN MY VIEW VERY LITTLE OF IT CONTRIBUTES MUCH TO
HUMAN UNDERSTANDING
*For the record, I had read Lawson's report, and actually presented a summary of it to the class in my last tutorial.