Breaking News

Richard Goode's picture
Submitted by Richard Goode on Sat, 2008-06-21 07:24

Cannabis legalized in the State of New York


( categories: )

They

Kasper's picture

should start a boutique pig farm around its parameter Eye

Just

Brant Gaede's picture

Just a minute: just sprinkle some holy water on it--out of a high pressure hose on a NYC fire-boat!

--Brant
mix in some pig fat

And I agree completely ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... as I've already said on some other thread.

http://www.solopassion.com/nod...

Leonard Peikoff

Richard Goode's picture

... in regard to this issue [the "Ground Zero" mosque], I would say, any way possible, permission should be refused, and, if they go ahead and build it, the government should bomb it out of existence, evacuating it first, with no compensation to any of the property owners involved in this monstrosity.

Episode 118 – 6/28/2010

Regarding the Mosque

Doug Bandler's picture

Regarding the mosque at Ground Zero, if it is a fully private enterprise then I can't see how it can be stopped without using government force. Now I fully agree that it is in bad taste. Hell, I would love to see Islam disappear off the face of the earth (perhaps it can take Judaism and Christianity with it). But on what legal grounds would Conservatives who oppose this mosque do so? Is the argument that Islam should be banned? While at an emotional level I am sympathetic to that, how could that be reconciled with the First Amendment? I know that some Conservatives want to redefine Islam as a war doctrine and not a religion. Again, I'm sympathetic. But serious epistemological issues are being raised here. I fear that uncontrolled emotionalism is at play with regards to the proposed Ground Zero Mosque.

Glenn

Richard Goode's picture

If you call the image I posted above a "fucking sick joke", then what do you call the Islamofascist proposal to build a 13-storey mosque overlooking Ground Zero?

Wow

Rosie's picture

What a great speech from Pat Condell. Every sentence of it. Thanks for posting this.

Pat Condell

Richard Goode's picture

More funny

Matty Orchard's picture

Thought everyone might like this.

In contrast to the Prancing

Richard Wiig's picture

In contrast to the Prancing Jihadist, check out this training exercise:

Olivia

Rosie's picture

 

I am not sure that things went unchecked back then. Just not globally. Another war was the usual response to the check. Similarly today. Terrorism is modern warfare.  And I do not consider it a joke at all. It is so obviously a dreadful thing that it barely needs to be said. You mistake the way I speak, of speech by what is not said, as glib but it is not so. Your speech is earnest and plain - and probably quite American in that sense. 

I don't know what you think I have ever said that is cliched crap, Olivia?!  But would be interested to know.  And also post-modern?!  What on earth could that be I wonder?

> What I would like to see from you is a post or a blog about something you personally value, rather than you just knocking other people's deeply held, stated values on this forum.

I don't see myself as knocking people's views at all, Olivia.

But I shall indeed post a blog about something I personally value.

 Rosie

More to the point, Purchas

Jameson's picture

I'd be interested to know why you deleted your three 7/7 bus bomb captions...

Strawmanning woman

Jameson's picture

My history is pretty good, Rosie, and if you wanted to derail this argument to a point before the Enlightenment, then I'd direct your attention to the Islamo-barbarian invasion halted at Poitiers a few hundred years before Basil.

But as Olivia has so pointedly pointed out, this is yet another of your posts that is struggling to be germane.

Miss Purchas...

Olivia's picture

your trolling here is becoming nauseatingly contrary for contrary's sake.

I guess it depends what criteria you use to measure despicability to an extent.
The most barbaric assault that springs to my mind was that of Basil II in 1014, who, after defeating the Bulgarian army, blinded 15,000 of his prisoners of war, leaving a one-eyed man to every hundred to lead them home.
But there are so many more - even our recent history with the assassination of Ferdinand by a Bosnian terrorist beginning 4 years of terrible war? Not to mention "those terrible Nazis" (Winston Churchill) and five years of war and racism combined.

The samples of history that you bring to mind are indeed terrible. But they happened along a time line of history that went unchecked for many years before it resulted in the extremes you highlight.

Glenn's outrage is not coming from the gratuitous luxury of decades, or centuries, of hindsight.

Islamofacism is at war with us as we speak and 9/11 was an outright, real time attack on the Western world. Yours and mine. It is because of the fact that we have a live enemy living today that people like Glenn find this sort of "joke" inappropriate and personally offensive. When Europe descends into bloody civil war over this issue within the next decade, sweetie, you won't be so fucking flip about this so called hyperbole and emotionalism. So pull your prissy head out of the clouds and learn something from your betters... or else take a hike to a more congenial, postmodern audience that appreciates the kind of cliched crap you, so sadly, parrot.

Winston Churchill was called every name in the book, from Emotionalist to Warmonger every time he opened his mouth to warn the Western world of the looming evil in Germany - very few believed he was onto something, and the likes of yourself would've "LOL" at his words.

What I would like to see from you is a post or a blog about something you personally value, rather than you just knocking other people's deeply held, stated values on this forum, which is oh so easy to do when you really don't give a rat's ass either way.

Woman up woman!

Context

Rosie's picture

What more can be said?!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v...

 

Rosie

Hyperbole and emotionalism

Rosie's picture

are never convincing in intelligent argument.

" the most despicable assault on Western Civilization and
all the values for which it stands, by a group of the most evil
barbarians ever to troll the planet."

How's your history, Glenn?! You are of course entitled to your opinion but there are numerous and more obvious examples of equally if not more despicable assaults on Western civilization; committed often, but not exclusively, by those "evil barbarians".

I guess it depends what criteria you use to measure despicability to an extent.

The most barbaric assault that springs to my mind was that of Basil II in 1014, who, after defeating the Bulgarian army, blinded 15,000 of his prisoners of war, leaving a one-eyed man to every hundred to lead them home.

But there are so many more - even our recent history with the assassination of Ferdinand by a Bosnian terrorist beginning 4 years of terrible war? Not to mention "those terrible Nazis" (Winston Churchill) and five years of war and racism combined.

I am not criticising your strong emotional reaction, merely think it naiive in the sense that nothing is to be unexpected in man's inhumanity to man. And don't forget the USA and Hiroshima/Nagasaki. A bit more TNT and they could have made us extinct!!!

Which, some may say, may not have been a bad thing... I wouldn't be having to take issue with Telecom who used the Privacy Act to refuse me the right to the telephone numbers rung by thieves who stole my mobile phone!! LOL

But please don't miss, misconstrue, misinterpret, reinterpret, or, dare I say, blow up (!) this little joke...

Rosie

To suspend the context of 9/11

Jameson's picture

is to suspend the most despicable assault on Western Civilization and all the values for which it stands, by a group of the most evil barbarians ever to troll the planet.

It seems one would have to be pretty fucking desperate to do all that just to make a joke. On the scale of cheap laughs, this surely has to be the most gaudy one of all.

BTW, thanks for weighing in, Lindsay. Smiling

I note ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... you're in danger of being a lone voice here, Glenn, so let me weigh in on your side. Humour which derides the good is sick. Not merely "black," but sick. That's Goode's type of humour. If this were a mock-up of Tehran up in smoke after an Israeli nuke attack with a caption about Muslims suddenly embracing cannabis he'd be shrieking his pomowanking tits off in indignation. I, on the other hand, would be laughing my Objecti-tits off in approval.

Out of context, the smoke over NY with a caption about cannabis having been legalised is funny as hell. In context, it's not funny at all, except to Saddamite sickos.

Ah, but you have found it funny, Matty!

Jameson's picture

The reality is, that photo is the 9/11 event, and people here have found a way to make fun of it.

As I said, there are good jokes (that make fun of the bad), bad jokes (that make fun of the good), and fucking sick jokes like the one Goode has made here.

And as I said, go ahead and make fun of that 9/11 photograph if you like, just don't expect me to join in the hilarity. When I look at that shot I see nothing but barbarism incarnate, and feel nothing less than gut-wrenching anger at the cunts who sent my beloved city up in smoke.

Glenn

Matty Orchard's picture

I think you and I just have a fundamental disagreement on the role of humour. There's not much more we can talk about.

I just hope you'll take my word for it that I don't find the events of 9/11 any more funny than you do.

Richard...

Jameson's picture

So, in order to have a good laugh at that 9/11 photo you not only have to drop the context of the tragedy, but you also have to be careful about the context in which the joke is made. In my opinion a good joke shouldn't have to told behind the bike shed out of earshot of those it may hurt. If you'd feel bad about telling your joke to the victims' families, then perhaps you should take a closer look at why you'd feel bad at all.

Unlike Goode, I know you're one of the good guys. But really, your lack of reverence for that disturbing photograph of 9/11 is something that isn't consistent with your hatred for the evil-dooers that created the photo op in the first place.

Having said that, your video suggests you're at least on the right track now. Smiling

Jihad Trainee

Richard Wiig's picture

Jihad Trainee

Reprisal - Willy Bob

HWH's picture

This one just had to come out the cupboard once more

 

I admit that reason is a small and feeble flame, a flickering torch by stumblers carried in the starless night, -- blown and flared by passion's storm, -- and yet, it is the only light. Extinguish that, and nought remains.- - Robert Green Ingersoll

business card scanner 

That's even funnier than the

Richard Wiig's picture

That's even funnier than the car advert Smiling

I'm not blushing now because

Richard Wiig's picture

I'm not blushing now because I don't feel like I've commited any great sin. In putting the slogan to the picture I was just trying to make a comment about context and degree. I certainly wasn't trying to belittle anyone or any thing.

Allah HaHa

Jameson's picture

If you're gonna laugh at something, laugh at the bad guys I say...

Sorry, Matty, I just don't buy this BS

Jameson's picture

Go ahead, drop the context on the most disgusting act of terrorism the world has ever seen and have a good laugh at it, if that's what gets your jollies.

As far as I'm concerned it's utterly misplaced.

jokes

Matty Orchard's picture

Glenn, Richard isn't laughing at 9/11 he's laughing with 9/11!

There's a joke I came up with last night, it made me laugh. Yet I find nothing funny about the disaster itself. I find NOTHING funny about the people on top of the towers that day who were faced with a decision: jump from the top of this sky scraper, to your certain death, right now! or burn to death at the top of it.

Nor do i find anything funny about the people inside the towers, those who were killed upon impact of the plane, or those who ran out of elevators on fire, screaming in an amount of pain I can simply not imagine.

When I 1st saw Richards pic I laughed. The imagery was funny to me. Yet the more I looked at it the less funny I found it because I knew somewhere in that smoke, thousands of people were either dying or already dead. How funny I found it changed in relation to what context I applied it to, as Richard Wigg has pointed out, personal context is what it's all about. I haven't posted on the subject yet because the joke challenged me on my stance on comedy: anything goes in the right context. Now I feel that I'm clear and consistent with myself on that. Anything can be funny. It all depends on context. Who's telling the joke and for what reasons.

Richard is against the war in Iraq, sometimes I am too. This doesn't mean he finds the atrocious actions committed by Islamic terrorists on 9/11 any less disgusting than you do.

He probably made the joke to point out that the accusations of umbrage taking go both ways. That SOLOists would be quick to put a 9/11 joke from a man against the Iraq war down to anti American rhetoric but wouldn't be so quick to put another man's jokes (no matter how racist he has been in the past) down to racism.

I'm not opposed to making jokes about serious subjects. I do however always take context in to account. Elijah has been a complete racist in the past and so I assume him to be a racist now. Done and dusted

Richard...

Jameson's picture

if you'd be ashamed to show it to the victims' families, why aren't you blushing here?

I recognise it as bad taste

Richard Wiig's picture

I recognise it as bad taste right through the whole gamut of 'callous' to outright evil, depending on the motive.

"I would've had to revise my high opinion of you downwards."

Jameson's picture

This from the guy who makes fun of 9/11.

Answer for Perigo

Richard Goode's picture

If *I* had put those badge-slogans out, would they then have been acceptable to "right-minded people"?

No. They would have been equally unacceptable to right-minded people.

And for me, it would've hurt. I would've had to revise my high opinion of you downwards.

Okay...

Jameson's picture

So you do recognise how bloody callous these captions are then?

Glen

Richard Wiig's picture

Out of sensitivity to their loss and their grieving.

Luke

Jameson's picture

Perhaps you should let Richard speak for himself... Smiling

Why not?

Luke H's picture

Because people whose relatives have died in these attacks probably wouldn't be able to suspend the context of the events.

Why not?

Jameson's picture

...

No I would not.

Richard Wiig's picture

No I would not.

Not to be outdone by the

TimV's picture

Not to be outdone by the Yanks, the EU have set up giant bongs. Unfortunately, due to a French construction workers' strike these were not capped off:

Let me ask you, Richard...

Jameson's picture

Would you show your 'funny' Bus Bomb caption to the victims' families and still have a good laugh about it?

Yep, that is really funny

Richard Wiig's picture

Yep, that is really funny Laughing out loud

They mercilessly took the

Richard Wiig's picture

They mercilessly took the piss out of everyone, from the Nazis, to the British, to the French resistance and more. They poked fun at homosexuality, at old age, at mother in laws, at everything. They certainly made fun of resistance members being tortured, of nazi attempts to torture, of resistance members ability to take torture. Why could they lampoon these things and get away with it (probably not though in this PC age)? Only because they're far enough removed from the original context, which at base is the dead, twisted, mangled victims that you posted below.

My joke about baked beans isn't directed at the victims, and has nothing to do with them. It's a slogan for a picture of a blown up bus that could be any bus. If I think of the crime, it turns my stomach, makes me angry, and a whole lot of other things besides. But I'm capable of suspending that and being amused at a mental image of Aunt Rosie dropping wind with disastrous consequences - this is minus any victims, just as the torture in Allo' Allo' is minus any victims.

I find the picture that heads this thread amusing. What does that make me? Despicable? Anti-Western? A lover of murder? I don't think so. Does it mean I've forgotten the real context of the picture? I don't think so again. The real context turns my stomach, and has motivated me to learn about Islam, and needs to be done to fight Islam. Does it mean I have no respect or sensivity toward the victims? No. It means I've got an ability to switch context. I don't see that there is anything wrong with that.

I must say though, the line between my disgust and my amusement in the case of the bus is narrow. Because it's so much closer to the reality than if it was a few more steps removed.

Now...

Jameson's picture

see, this is funny:

I never saw "'Allo 'Allo"

Jameson's picture

Did they make fun of the resistance members being tortured by the Gestapo? Did they make fun of the executed allied spies? Did they make fun of the Jews being shoved into ovens?

Or did they mercilessly take the piss out of the Nazis?

My guess is the writers of that show remained completely in context and fervently patriotic. Jokes like yours would've gone down like a cup of cold sick.

In order to have a laugh at

Richard Wiig's picture

In order to have a laugh at these photos you have to drop the context.

Absolutely, as you have to in order to have a laugh at anything with a connection to death and mayhem, particularly of the morally repugnant nature of it when linked to totalitarian scum. 

 And to drop the context is to ignore the reality of what these photographs represent:

It's not to ignore it at all. It's to momentarily suspend the context. How would a brilliant, brilliant comedy such as "Allo' Allo'" ever be made if it weren't for the suspension of the context? It wouldn't, and the world would be much poorer for that. 

an attack on the values of Western civilization.

Great point, Joe

Jameson's picture

Yes, anything can be made into a joke, from a chicken walking across the road, to people being blown up in buses. And everyone has a right to laugh at them. And, like the art we hang on our walls, we define our values by the reverence, or lack thereof, of the values represented in the joke.

Personally, I only think it's funny when Islamofascists are blown to bits by our guys.

Expectations

Jmaurone's picture

"PC has done a very eloquent job at arguing that any and every subject can be made into a joke, no matter how offensive."

 Yes, any subject CAN be made into a joke, no matter how offensive, because humour involves the subversion of expectations, the setup of an expectation followed by the punchline that breaks expectation. Sometimes people laugh at an offensive joke against their better judgement, because of this. But notice the universal reaction: "I know I shouldn't laugh at this, but...". It's not the values they are agreeing with in that case. But that doesn't mean every subject SHOULD be made into a joke. 

 

Go and look at PC's thread

Luke H's picture

PC has done a very eloquent job at arguing that any and every subject can be made into a joke, no matter how offensive.  You have not presented any valid reasons why his arguments do not apply here.

There are two points here, Luke:

Jameson's picture

1) Goode pulling Eli up on his so-called 'racism' while venting his twisted view of 9/11 in a so-called 'joke', and
2) The point where black humour becomes sick humour.

To the latter:

"No-one here is suggesting that bloodied bodies are funny.

But the carnage is?

"The only lines which actually mentioned terrorists were poking fun at their incompetence."

You think that bus looks like it was attacked by an incompetent?

In order to have a laugh at these photos you have to drop the context. And to drop the context is to ignore the reality of what these photographs represent: an attack on the values of Western civilization.

Oh come on Linz.  No-one

Luke H's picture

Oh come on Linz.  No-one here is suggesting that bloodied bodies are funny.

All the "witty lines" various people came up with after Jameson's caption challenge - not to mention the original picture - are quite gentle and innocent jokes.  The only lines which actually mentioned terrorists were poking fun at their incompetence.

To suggest that we jerk off to terrorism is as absurdly disingenuous as Elijah's assertion that Richard and I are secretly socialist Labour voters!  Sticking out tongue

Question for Goode:

Lindsay Perigo's picture

If *I* had put those badge-slogans out, would they then have been acceptable to "right-minded people"?

The divide here ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... is between those who genuinely think terrorism is funny and jerk off to it and those who don't. The latter group will differ in what type and level of humour they find acceptable, but that's not the issue here. The issue is: someone from the former group is trying to take the moral high ground against Eli's badges. Now that's hilarious in its outlandishness!!

Which caption is funniest for the Bali Bombing?

Jameson's picture

"Hey kid, pull my finger."

"Man... I knew I shouldn't have fed Aunt Rosie those baked beans."

"Mentos and diet coke: Don't try this experiment in enclosed spaces, kids!"

"Did you hear about the terrorist who tried to blow up a bar...?"

Check your premises

Jameson's picture

Rand: "If what you are laughing at is the evil in the world (provided that you take it seriously, but occasionally you permit yourself to laugh at it), that’s fine. [To] laugh at that which is good, at heroes, at values... [is] monstrous..."

You're not laughing at the terrorists: you're making light of a crime scene.

How many of you would show your captions to their families and have a good laugh about it?

Hey kid...

reed's picture

... pull my finger.

Rand's Legacy

Jmaurone's picture

 Rand, for her part, did an admirable job of handling racial issues in her essay, never condemning a man for his skin color, inspiring by holding her philosophy open to anyone willing to try, and STILL fought off racism of ALL kinds. She was the living embodiment of the American seal, the eagle with sword and olive branch. "Bravest Man In America" indeed.  

"...But maybe you don't

Elijah's picture

"...But maybe you don't understand how hard it is for an American to fight against racial issues because of the existence of the KKK, for example. Every time an American opens his or her mouth against reverse racism, it's always going to bring up an association with our past (KKK, slavery, etc.), .."

Oh I think I understand how difficult it is Sticking out tongue ...look at the personal abuse I get on solopassion.com! Sticking out tongue ..for stating the obvious!

All rather sad, but the socialist attempts to silence me will be unsuccessful because it is important to criticise the waste of taxpayer's money, unprovoked violence against the law abiding and the feral nature of so many who seek to initiate this force.

A is A does seem entirely lost on so many, alas.

http://nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/

No,Elijah, I DO understand,

Jmaurone's picture

No,Elijah, I DO understand, I've seen it here (which my little story was supposed to demonstrate). Of course, that's peanuts compared to the bigger incidents. But unfortunately, being in a liberal city (Philadelphia), I'm exposed to all sorts of anti-American propoganda. Philadelphia is not very Objectivist or even Libertarian friendly.

 But I will challenge you on this: It may be that It is only a few libertarians, Soloists, and others in New Zealand taking strong stands, but American history is full of people who've taken strong stands, good and bad...like the KKK, the Black Panthers, the Hippies, etc. But among those making a stand for "freedom" we have to be careful because of the groups like the KKK, militias, Timothy McVeigh...Anyone who speaks up nowadays against the government is automatically associated with McVeigh.

 (An interesting recent event of significance to demonstrate this for Objectivist: Leonard Peikoff's appearance on Bill O'Reilly's show to discuss the war and innocents, where Bill O'Reilly, BILL O'REILLY, for crying out loud, is presented as the "calm and rational" one while Peikoff is called "Dr. Strangelove." C'mon...Bill O'Reilly as the "calm one?" Peikoff was too much?)  

 But maybe you don't understand how hard it is for an American to fight against racial issues because of the existence of the KKK, for example. Every time an American opens his or her mouth against reverse racism, it's always going to bring up an association with our past (KKK, slavery, etc.), so we CONSTANTLY have to qualify and distinguish our comments from those of so-called friends of liberty. We have no wiggle room to speak broadly or jokingly, in the manner you've become accustomed to. It can actually be dangerous. Constantly having to say that you don't believe that you don't believe a man is determined by the color of his skin in order to make any criticisms of non-whites (which often falls on deaf ears anyway.) Constantly being under the microscope for ANY slipup (i.e., Ross Perot's "you people), that will give them "proof" that you are, indeed, a racist, so much so that you begin to wonder about it yourself? (The damn AVENUE Q musical with its "We're all just a little bit racist" song being the new mantra.) 

 It's enough to make anyone crack. Yes, I know New Zealand, Australia, etc. has a similar history with the aborigines and Maori, but I think we in the U.S. get more pressure because of who we are (Birthplace of Liberty) combined with the history of slavery.  

And it's getting worse. 

 

 

 "That may very well be

Elijah's picture

 "That may very well be the case.."

Oh it is, Joe...you will not understand, being in America, but the 'White Urban Liberal' demographic were delighted by September 11.

The reason we never got involved in Iraq or anti-terrorism programmes is because our Government is full of those sorts of people, and polling and focus groups of 'White Urban Liberals' said "ummmm...so what?" about 9/11 deaths..[of rich, white, American bankers]..something about my fellow Countrymen I feel deeply ashamed of.

It is only a few libertarians, few Solo-ists and a handful of others in New Zealand who take a strong stand on these issues....everyone else is just a traitor.

Despite their (predictable) denials, be under nooooooooooo illusions that my version of events is correct. Smiling

http://nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/

Man...

Richard Wiig's picture

..I knew I shouldn't have fed Aunt Rosie those baked beans.

 

Thought Experiment

Jmaurone's picture

Personally, I "get the "joke," as long as I don't associate it with 9.11. I wasn't sure if the intent was originally to make that association. However, being that it was posted IMMEDIATELY after the badge argument implies that it was, as a "test" of hypocrisy about PC sensitivity on SOLO. 

 

ELI: "What Rosie, Richard, Luke and the other socialists want to say..(but are too scared because it rather gives the game away)..is "the 9/11 joke is hilarious because the people who died were all rich, white bankers and Americans so they deserved it, whereas Elijah's badges are not funny because they are brown, "victims" of white domination and we must engage in socialist wankfests and show our Labour party friends at Uni how 'guilty' we feel" 

 That may very well be the case; I'm sure there are plenty of "black humor" type jokes among those who "celebrated" 9.11. But even in calmer times, I've been criticized for comparing the Italian Market in Philadelphia to a "third world country." (Which has nothing to do with Italians. But it was a cultural comparison of filthy streets with oil barrell fires, rotting fish smells and dirty water on the streets in the shadow of skyscrapers and high-end stores. But those same people are not afraid to criticize America for whatever.)

 The wierd thing about this "joke" is that it is associated with 9.11 when it doesn't have to be. If there was no 9/11, the joke would work because the suggestion is that THIS is what New York would look like (the numbers of people who would be lighting up causing that much smoke being the joke.) It would be sophomore humor, with a suggestion that the law prohibiting it is unpopular. It could have worked with any major city. It doesn't look like an explosion, it looks like smoke rising up from the people smoking. I don't think the pic INTRINSICALLY suggests 9/11...

 The fact that it IS New York, after 9/11, well, it's simply too soon, too much association with the attack. It doesn't really say anything directly about the victims of 9.11, it's not even a good metaphor for anything. But it makes light of what happened by the piggybacking of a joke onto a disaster. (A hallmark of black humor.) What's offensive is the suggestion that drug laws are more important than terrorists attacks. The really macabre suggestion is that what is being inhaled is not marijuana, but people, and that's a little harder to laugh at, when that was actually the case. 

 

What Rosie, Richard, Luke

Elijah's picture

What Rosie, Richard, Luke and the other socialists want to say..(but are too scared because it rather gives the game away)..is "the 9/11 joke is hilarious because the people who died were all rich, white bankers and Americans so they deserved it, whereas Elijah's badges are not funny because they are brown, "victims" of white domination and we must engage in socialist wankfests and show our Labour party friends at Uni how 'guilty' we feel"

A travesty such people are allowed to even post on solopassion.com in my opinion.

With regards to "...Hey!  Yeah you!  Libertarianz believes global warming is a crock of shit and racism is OK.  White people are poor because of the welfare state, but Maori and PIs are poor because their culture is shite.  We believe in freedom of movement for everyone except Muslims.  Those scarf-wearing sand-niggers can stay right out of our country, eh what?  Also, we think killing all the dolphins is fine and dandy.." ...I am somewhat confuzzled...

we said all that at the Fieldays and got a splendid reaction Sticking out tongue ..on the other hand...some of us intend to get more than 64 votes (*snigger*) Eye

http://nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/

"I haven't denigrated New Yorkers in any way."

Jameson's picture

No. You've desecrated them in the most obscene way.

Worms in the Big Apple

Richard Goode's picture

In his post, Elijah denigrates Maori as violent, stupid, irresponsible, thieving bludgers.

In my post, I haven't denigrated New Yorkers in any way.

No inconsistency. No double standard.

There's a name for my kind of joke: black humour.

There's a name for Elijah's kind of "joke": racism.

Black humour is acceptable to right-minded people. Racism isn't.

A few spring to mind, Glenn

Rosie's picture

But you would be better to ask the Libz spokesman for Transport.

 

"Spot the glaring inconsistency."

Jameson's picture

Take a look at your own, nigger.

The Director's Cut

Richard Goode's picture

Here I confess to something more—I find it hard to separate the joke from the teller.

I know Oirishman is not anti-Jewish (and in any event he's making the point that the joke was told by a Jewish comedian) so I don't find the joke unfunny coming from him.

I know Goode is an anti-American Saddamite, so I don't find the 9/11 joke funny coming from him.

I know Lineberry is a racist reprobate, so I don't find his badges unfunny.

Spot the glaring inconsistency.

And another thing, Linz. 'Randroid' is not a Linzism. It's a derogatory term for Objectivists.

Brothers Grimm...

Jameson's picture

This should tickle your funny bones...

[deleted - I can't stomach anymore of this argument tonight]

That joke was funny

Jameson's picture

right up until the moment you added the part where 37 innocent Londoners were blown to bits.

Glenn

Phil Howison's picture

It's an old joke. Probably older than me. I think it first featured an Irish terrorist, and it exemplifies the stoic British response to that particular terrorist threat. Anyway, it mocks terrorists, not victims - the joke is at the expense of the bad, not the good.

Y'know, Phil

Jameson's picture

if the Libz were polling more than 5% right now, I can almost guarantee that joke would get that supercilious grin of yours on the 6 o'clock news.

How about ...

Luke H's picture

Mentos and diet coke: Don't try this experiment in enclosed spaces, kids!

Oh yeah...

Jameson's picture

... now I really wanna vote for the party of freedom.

Hmmm

Phil Howison's picture

Did you hear the one about the terrorist who tried to blow up a bus?

He burnt his lips on the exhaust pipe...

Here's a challenge for you, Rosie

Jameson's picture

Write a witty caption for this:

That's much better, Luke!

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Well screw you Lindsay, and screw you PC. But especially, especially, fuck YOU Elijah Lineberry. You racist piece of slime. You Objectivist Randroids piss me off.

A bit of spunk! You're getting the hang of it now.

If you harness that passion in the right direction you'll be a superlative asset. And I mean that—I'm not being flippant.

You've been brainwashed at uni. That's the first impediment. And you are seeing hobgoblins that aren't there. That's the second.

No one is saying, kill all the dolphins. But *man-made* GW *is* a crock of shit. Mordi culture, in its subordination of the individual to the tribe, *is* shite and *does* account for their poverty and other things. Muslims have declared war on the west and *should* be prevented from freely immigrating here (though that's not Libz policy). All of this is pro-freedom.

Dress up nice, brush your teeth and hair? Of course!! Knock yourself out! Doesn't mean a suit a la Lineberry.

And Eli isn't an Objectivist, much less a Randroid (even though he dresses like one). Linz is an Objectivist but not a Randroid. There are no Randroids in NZ except Oirishman when the subject is Glenn.

Any of this getting through?!

Oh come on

Luke H's picture

I think it is fairly unambiguous that Richard is posting here as an individual, not presenting this picture as the Libertarianz Spokesman for the Deregulation of Drugs.

Yeah...?!!

Jameson's picture

Perhaps you could explain all that to your Spokesman for Drugs. He seems to think you'll get these "delicious votes for freedom" by making fun of the freedom denied the thousands dead and buried somewhere in the smoke of his 'joke'.

Well, call me a soft-cock!

Luke H's picture

I happen to think it is a shitty idea to walk up to a potential Libz voter and say:

"Hey!  Yeah you!  Libertarianz believes global warming is a crock of shit and racism is OK.  White people are poor because of the welfare state, but Maori and PIs are poor because their culture is shite.  We believe in freedom of movement for everyone except Muslims.  Those scarf-wearing sand-niggers can stay right out of our country, eh what?  Also, we think killing all the dolphins is fine and dandy."

If thinking that is a bad idea makes me a soft-cock, well, call me a soft-cock!

The reality is, we are a political party that wants to get votes.  Lots and lots of delicious votes for freedom.  What's wrong with making it easy to believe in Libertarianism?

The statements I said in the hypothetical above are, at best, extreme ways of representing variations of libertarian thought. At worst, they are completely untrue (eg, killing all the dolphins).  And most if not all of those things have been stated by Libertarianz members in public fora.

Expressing those opinions, in those extreme ways, is at the very least ill advised, IMHO.

What's the difference between dressing up nice, washing your teeth and brushing your hair before door-knocking ... and choosing the words we use to describe Libz policy carefully?

I am not promoting a policy of vetting Libz, I simply believe in thinking first and taking care in the way people represent their chosen party.  And I get called a soft-cock, nay, I get called a "stupid, wet PC fuckwit" for that? 

<rant>

Well screw you Lindsay, and screw you PC.

But especially, especially, fuck YOU Elijah Lineberry.  You racist piece of slime.

You Objectivist Randroids piss me off.

</rant>

Ah, yes!

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Dashed good policy, that! Eye

"There are no new Libz policies being proposed."

Jameson's picture

Apart from this one: Smiling

Sorry

Lindsay Perigo's picture

I meant "any attempt" as should be clear from the remarks that follow. Amended accordingly.

Short answer, Matty...

Phil Howison's picture

They aren't. There are no new Libz policies being proposed.

Libz policies?

Matty Orchard's picture

How are they taking umbrage in to ibz policies? I'm out of the loop being in Aus and having never lived in auckland or wellington obviously so there may well be proposals i'm unaware of...

Well ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

First, the Oirishman and Glenn matter. It's a side-bar that is cluttering up this debate. PC is being a moron about Glenn, not even coming to drinks for ME when I'm in Ak because they're at Glenn's. Fucking stupid, more Irish than the Irish (oh dear, have I offended someone called Murphy?). But I've said this in the past. Yes, Glenn's been an ass about Libz, for sure, but that's not a capital offence. And he's manned up about it. Sheesh! So much for that.

Second, the Nazi/Jew/genocide joke. I confess I had to go looking for it since I couldn't recall one from when I stickied the post—I presume we're talking about the gas bill joke? Here I confess to something more—I find it hard to separate the joke from the teller. I know Oirishman is not anti-Jewish (and in any event he's making the point that the joke was told by a Jewish comedian) so I don't find the joke unfunny coming from him. I know Goode is an anti-American Saddamite, so I don't find the 9/11 joke funny coming from him. I see it as an extension of his revolting, supercilious pomowankery, next to which Eli is a saint. So I suppose it comes down to our old friend, context. And Eli's badges are not remotely as debatable as either of these jokes.

In any event, any attempt by you pathetic soft-cocks to bring the Age of Umbrage into Libz policies will succeed over my dead body. When will you be proposing hate speech laws, exactly? Kumbaya at the meetings now too?

PC Thought Police policed!

Rosie's picture

"But we will never be beyond reproach, or be
seen to be, by humorless PC Thought Police, and they were not the
potential reproachers I had in mind. The more we offend such creatures
the better as far as I'm concerned." (Linz)

 

So the humourless PC Thought Police may be called out to reproach 9/11 jokes but not to reproach racist generalisations masquerading as political comment?

And who is the creature now to whom you wish more offence? Smiling

Rosie

Hurt not by the parody per se ...

Luke H's picture

I got the impression that PC was hurt not by the parody per se, but by your continued failure to support the Libz (clearly the only party consistent with Objectivism) and what he perceived to be your unwarranted, negative and unhelpful criticism from the sidelines.  PC's inability to handle criticism gracefully is a separate issue to the debate about whether it is acceptable to make jokes about 9/11.

What you have to get is this, Luke:

Jameson's picture

PC can make jokes about Hitler and the genocide of 6 million Jews.

PC doesn't mind Richard posting a joke about 9/11.

But PC can't handle Glenn posting a parody about the Libertarianz.

Linz, I want to get this

Luke H's picture

Linz, I want to get this right.

  •  PC can make jokes about Hitler and the genocide of 6 million Jews
  • But Richard can't post jokes about 9/11

.. ?

Missing the point of the joke (again)

Rosie's picture

Richard's joke was looking at the smoke and finding a witty explanation for it. Particularly funny coming from him as drugs spokesman for Libertarianz. (May even have won some money for it to pay the gas bill if put in a Punch competition! The British know what is witty and what is not.)

Laughter in the face of disaster is a very healthy, "right-minded" reaction following the initial shock. I think a couple of years has softened the initial shock.

The joke is not personal. It does not condone wrongdoing. It is the best form of humour: connecting two otherwise unrelated ideas in a funny way. It is called absurdity.

The Germans thought the British had the edge in WW2 because of their sense of humour in the face of adversity and therefore sought to teach their soldiers "humour". The subtlety of humour is probably not something that can be taught. You've either got it or you haven't. A bit like sensitivity and intelligence.

Rosie

Comment viewing options

Select your preferred way to display the comments and click "Save settings" to activate your changes.