Memo to Bleeding-Heart 'Libertarians': Grow the Fuck Up!

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Submitted by Peter Cresswell on Sun, 2008-06-22 23:46

[Note from Linz—I've taken the liberty of lifting this post by Oirishman O'Cresswell from the More Accurate Badges thread as it deserves maximum prominence. It's a response to one of the Politically Correct bleeding hearts on that thread who presumed to be offended on behalf of all "right-minded" people" on the subject of Mordis, their gravy-train, their excuses and their inferior culture. If anyone reads it and is not offended, I apologise.]

"This post is deeply offensive - yes, offensive - and just plain wrong."

Oh yes, you're absolutely right.

Thank goodness that right-minded folk like yourself exist to ensure that none of use say anything inadvertently offensive. God Bless.

Perhaps you could help out we less enlightened folk by drawing up a charter to ensure readers are never inadvertently assailed -- nay, assaulted -- with bad thoughts, bad jokes, or actions likely to bring Objectivism/SOLO/Libz into disrepute -- especially since everyone here is speaking in the name of Objectivism/SOLO/Libz at all times. Can't be too careful. Might offend some right-thinking person at any moment.

Perhaps you two right thinking persons, Richard and Luke, could draw it up -- perhaps with a committee of other "right-thinking people" -- since you're both such obviously outstanding ethicists in their own right.

Perhaps Wikipedia will already have a list you can use?

By the way, what do you call a Welshman with a stick up his arse? Answer: A taffy apple.

Please tell me if that should that be banned because it's offensive? Would I be a wrong thinking person for laughing at it? Perhaps you can tell me when you get the stick out of your own arse.

I need to know, is that sort of joke too offensive, and just plain wrong? Because I'm only an ignorant cracker arsehole, and I just can't tell.

Or how about this ...

Q: Why can't Helen Keller drive?
A: Because she's a woman.

Or Irish jokes ...

Q: What's the difference between an Irish wedding and an Irish wake?
A: One less drunk.

Or Jewish jokes...

Two Jews walking down the street pass a pretty girl going the other way. "Boy," says one, "I'd like to lend her one."

Q: What's a Jewish dilemma?
A: Free ham.

Or German Jokes...

Q: How do you tell the Lufthansa planes at the airport?
A: They're the ones with hair under the wings.

Or French ...

Q: Describe the French national flag?
A: A white cross on a white background.

Or other jokes about Welshmen...

Q: What do you call safe sex in Wales?
A:Marking an 'X' on the sheep that kick.

Or Mexicans...

Q: How do you starve a mexican?
A: Hide his food stamps under his work boots.

Or Canadians...

Q: How do you break a Canadian's fingers?
A: Punch him in the nose.


Q: What do you use to blindfold a Chinaman?
A: Dental floss.

Q: How do Chinese name their babies?
A: When they're born they throw up all their cutlery in the air to celebrate. Baby is named by the noise the cutlery makes hitting the ground.

Two families moved from Pakistan to America. When they arrived the two fathers made a bet - in a year's time whichever family had become more American would win. A year later they met again. The first man said, "My son is playing baseball, I had McDonalds for breakfast and I'm on my way to pick up a case of Bud, how about you?" The second man replied, "Fuck you, towel head."

Jokes about Australia ...

Q: Why wasn't Jesus born in Australia?
A: Couldn't find three wise men or a virgin.

Aussie chicks...

Q: What do Australians girls put behind their ears to make themselves attractive to men?
A: Their feet.


Q: Why did god invent alcohol?
A: So fat women can get laid too.

Q: Why did god create women?
A: Because dogs can't get beer out the fridge.

Q: What's the best thing about dating a homeless chick?
A: It doesn't matter where you drop her off.

Mothers in law...

Q. What's a mixed feeling?
A. When you see your mother-in-law backing off a cliff in your new car.

New Zealanders...

A kiwi walks into his bedroom with a sheep under his arm and says: "Darling, this is the pig I have sex with when you have a headache."
His girlfriend is lying in bed and replies, "I think you'll find that's a sheep, you idiot." The man says, "I think you'll find that I wasn't talking to you."

New Zealanders (again) ...

Q: What do you call a kiwi with a sheep under one arm, and a goat under the other?
A: A bisexual.

Q: Why are NZ sheepdogs such fast runners?
A; They've seen what happens to the fricken sheep.


Q: What's better than winning the para olympics?
A: Having legs that work.

Q: What do you say to a woman with no arms and no legs?
A: Nice tits!


Q: What do you do if an epileptic has a fit in your bath?
A: Throw your clothes in.


Q: How do you tell when an Indian boy becomes a man?
A: When the diaper goes from the bottom to the top.

Q: What do you say to a Paki at Xmas?
A: A pint of milk, a loaf of bread and 20 Benson & Hedges please.

Q: Why can't Indians play soccer?
A: 'Cos every time they get a corner they want to put a dairy on it.

2 Indian heroin addicts injected curry powder by mistake. Both in intensive care !!
One has a dodgy tikka, and the other one is in a korma.

Pakis ...

Q: What do you call 500 pakis running down the street
A: Hindi 500


Q:What's emptier than the non-alcoholic beer aisle in an Irish store?
A: The toothpaste aisle in an English store.


I went to a Muslim birthday party last night.
Fuck me if that wasn't the fastest game of Pass The Parcel I've ever seen!

I see police have released the names of 2 of the Glasgow car bombers:
Singe Majeep and Maheed Sonfayr.

New website to investigate. It's for muslim terrorists to get in touch with long-lost pals.
It's called Friends

The Metropolitan Police found a carbomb outside Finsbury Park mosque. Luckily, they managed to push it inside before it went off.


Q: How do you make an Aborigine pregnant?
A: cum on her feet and let the flies do the rest.

Q: What do Aboringines use for birth control?
A: Fly spray.

And blacks...

Lad comes home from school and says to his mum "I've got the biggest knob in the third year, is it cos I'm black?". She says "No its because you're 19 you fucking retard".

Q: What do you call a black man with a BMW?
A: Defendant.

And white men...

Q: what's white, hard, and 9 inches long?
A: Nothing.

And blondes...

Q: How can you tell when a blonde is having a bad day?
A: When a tampon's behind her ear and she can't find her pencil.

And Jesus:

Q: Q: What's the difference between Jesus and a picture of Jesus?
A: It only takes 1 nail to hang the picture.

Sure Jesus loves you, but does he swallow?

And Mormons...

Q: How do you circumsize a Mormon?
A: Kick his sister in the chin!

And Catholics...

Q: What's the difference between a Catholic priest and acne?
A: Acne waits until you're 13 to come on your face.

And Michael Jackson...

Victoria Beckham has announced she had an affair with Micheal Jackson; Jacko's lawyer said its all lies as he was in Brooklyn at the time.

And Stevie Wonder ...

From 'Rolling Stone' magazines interview with Stevie Wonder: "Stevie, what's it like being blind?"
Stevie: "Could have been worse. I could've been black."

And Mike Tyson...

Q: Why does Mike Tyson cry during sex?
A: Mace will do that to you.

And the KKK...

Q: What's the KKK's favurite film?
A: 'Roots.' Played backwards.

And lepers...

Did you hear about the leper playing cards? He threw his hand in.

And old people...

Q: What's 60 feet long and stinks of piss?
A: A conga line in an old peoples home.

And South Auckland:

Q:Why do people in South Auckland go to garage sales?
A:To get their stuff back.

Ferrari's F1 team manager decided to employ some South Auckland teenagers as their new pit crew. This was because of their renowned skill when removing car wheels quickly. At the first practice session not only did they change all four wheels in 6 seconds but, within 12 seconds, they had re-sprayed, re-badged and re-sold the fucker to McClaren for 8 cans of Cody's, a bag of weed and an all-year pass at McDonald's.

And Arabs...

Q: Why do they call camels ships of the desert?
A: Because they're all full of Arab semen.

And lawyers...

New client asks lawyer how much he charges.
"Six hundred dollars for three questions," says the lawyer.
"Crikey, that's expensive, isn't it!?"
"Yes, it is. Now, What's your third question."

And rednecks...

Q: What's the last thing you usually hear before a redneck dies?
A: "Hey y'all... Watch this!"

Q: What does a redneck say when she loses her virginity?
A: "Gramps, you're crushin' my smokes."

Q: What's redneck definition of a virgin?
A: A girl who runs faster than her uncle.

Q: If a man and woman are married in West Virginia and move to California and get a divorce, are they still brother and sister?

And I have to presume there'd be no, abolutely no, under any circumstances, jokes like these about the sainted tangata whenua allowed ...

Q: What do you get when you cross a Scotsman and a Maori?
A: A pisshead who never pays for his drinks.

Q: What do you get when you cross a Maori and an octopus?
A: An shoplifter with eight hands.

Q: What does a Maori get for Christmas?
A: Your bike.

Q: Three Maoris and an Islander get into a car. Which one drives?
A: The police officer.

Scientist are trying to combat crime by combining the DNA of a Maori and a Samoan.
The are hoping to come up with a black arse too lazy to steal.

Q: In a race between a honky and a Maori through a tunnel, who would win?
A: The honky, because the Maori has to stop and write on the wall.

Q: What's black and white and rolls down a hill.?
A: A Maori and a seagull fighting over a fish head.

After complaints that there aren't enough Maoris on TV, TVNZ has vowed to solve the problem.
They are now going to show Crimewatch 7 nights a week.

Maori walks into an employment agency.
"Hi. I really really wanna job. Do you have anything?" he asks.
The woman behind the desk looks up and replies; "You're in luck! One just came in. A multi-billionaire needs a driver to drive him around. He's only here one week out of the year, the rest of the time the top-of-the-line-car is yours. But you do have to look after his twin, model, nymphomaniac daughters whilst he's away. And this job pays 300k a year. Interested?"
The Maori starts to smile. "Come on... you're bullshitting me right?"
The woman looks up and says "Well, you started it."

Here's just some of the new Maori television line-up for June:

The Young and the Jobless,
Unmarried with Children,
Little State House on the Prairie,
Black Eye for the White Guy, and

All far, far, far too offensive for right-minded folks, I'm sure.

In fact, why not just give up humour altogether. Far safer. Let's not even think about laughing at jokes like this:

Q: Why did Hitler commit suicide?
A: He opened his gas bill.

But even if you don't laugh you can still be in trouble. "It's great being a Jewish comedian," says Jewish comedian Josh Howie. "If people don't laugh it's not because you're not funny, it's because they're Nazis."

That's Howie's Hitler joke above, by the way. Did you laugh? Bloody Nazi. And also by the way ...

Q: What's the definition of a bigot?
A: Anyone who disagrees with a liberal.

So, point made?

Perhaps we could all simply listen to the wise advice of Hugh Laurie's former comedic partner Stephen Fry:

'It's now very common to hear people say, "I'm rather offended by that", as if that gives them certain rights. It's no more than a whine. It has no meaning, it has no purpose, it has no reason to be respected as a phrase. "I'm offended by that." Well, so fucking what?'

Or Bill Hicks:

"And I've got something else to say to those people who say, 'I'm offended', like some five-year-old child throwing a tantrum. Ready? There are a lot of things in life that are offensive, life itself can be offensive, I myself have a large list of things that offend me...So what!? Grow the **** up! We now live in the 'Age of being offended.' Get over it. Perhaps a little open-mindedness, tolerance, and acceptance may be the antidote to what ails you. Try it and see if your load isn't lifted just a bit. See if your pinched face of fear doesn't relax a tad. Why don't you exercise a little of the faith you say you believe in so much etc're offended by this material? Well you offend me, where can I send my letters? Huh!?"

In other words, grow the fuck up.

And to paraphrase Johannes Brahms, If there is anyone here whom I have not yet offended, I beg his (or her) pardon.

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Here's one for the bleeding hearts

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Prepare to be offended!

douche-canoe I think I just

Lance's picture


I think I just fell in totally heterosexual love...

Once more but not for the last time I'm sure...

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The question isn't about what can be considered funny. At least not for me its not. It's about weather we should assume this as nothing more than criticism of the governments dumb fuck badges or weather we should take Elijah's past calls for ethnic cleansing and indiscriminately condescending views toward every Maori in to account when considering his intentions.

I fail to see how his past 'thought-crimes' are not relevant. Shouldn't everyones past opinions and actions be taken in to account when considering the meaning of their words?
Dismissing everyone who wishes to take such things in to account when looking at Elijah's badges as easily offended PC cry babies seems like an easy way out to me.

The subject of what is OK and not OK to make jokes about is an interesting one. My take has always been: nothing. Once I did a stand up set around Rape at the dux. It went down ok but you could feel a bit of tension among some of the audience, I think it was my fault for not easing the audience in to the subject more gradually. The material itself was just silly word-play more than anything else. Not really about rape itself. Any way I thought I'd share an email exchange between me and another comic after the show (his name omitted of course) just to clarify my position on 'appropriate humour'I hope you don't find it to gratuitous or off topic but offensiveness seems to be half of the issue in this thread:


Hey Dude,

Sorry if this comes across as heavy-handed or anything, but I've thinking about it and I think it needs to be said.

That last section of your set was offensive. Not the good kind.

There aren't many places comedy can't go, but when it does it should do so for a good reason. If and when you do do something that 'pushes the envelope', you need to either have some experience with it (in which case you at least have a sense of what you can and can't do with the subject matter) or run it past someone who does. If you'd done any of that material to a female friend she would have told you "that is not funny".
Rape is not trivial or able to be trivialised by a huge proportion of the world's population, and for a very good reason. It is an ugly, dark, repugnant part of society and no joke makes it okay to laugh at it. A lot of the material you used is actually utilised by lawyers in rape trials ("Did you say no? Well it can't be rape then.") and a lot of the other things you used as material are too close to reality to be funny. It's ALWAYS too soon.

Last night I think you managed to get laughs purely because up until that point you had done well and the audience wanted to like you. It could have very easily gone the other way and we were very lucky it didn't. I pretty much sat there in shock for the whole time and weighed up really carefully how I as going to follow that. I didn't say anything explicit to you after the show other than "big comedy gamble" and that's probably why I'm not sleeping now.

On a completely secondary (and pretty irrelevant) note, if a prospective audience member or sponsor heard that material, they wouldn't touch us with a ten-foot pole. And to be honest, I wouldn't either.
Look, I've already gone on too much about this. Let's move on and do good material next month. Most of what you did was solid work. Let's build on that.


(name omitted)

Hey (name omitted),

Well 1st of all I did actually try it out on some friends (1 female) because I was wondering weather it was 'over the line' but I was given the go ahead by all of them. Quite frankly though the more I thought about it the more I thought, ‘why should it be a problem?’ So much of comedy is about getting a serious subject and twisting it in to a humorous context so why should rape be any different? Combined we've made jokes around subjects like dead babies, aides, deformed children, the deaf, the deceased, pedophilia, necrophilia, terrorism, the homeless, various religions and probably many more areas that effect many people on a personal level.

You see I don't have a problem with any of those subjects being used as material because I don't think making a joke around a subject means you find the subject itself funny. In fact most of the time I find you have to think about something very seriously before you can make a good joke about it.
However if you say rape is over the line you also imply that all of the other things we have made light of are trivial in comparison and matters that can be taken lightly. I find THAT offensive. If you're willing to look at everything from a humorous angle then I don't think you need to ever feel guilty about anything you touch on because humour is just a form of thought but if you start using humour selectively then your jokes take on somewhat of a hateful undertone whenever you make fun of any group or subject and I find that unpleasant.

In regards to the too close to reality issue; I really don't think the idea of a man being found only 30 percent guilty of rape because the victim said ‘maybe’ in a way that could be construed as a ‘probably’ resulting in the offender only having to serve 30 percent of each day for his 20 year prison sentence could be looked upon as something that comes anywhere near any kind of reality I’ve ever heard of. In fact pretty much all the humour in that part of my set was meant to come from the absurdity of the hypothetical arguments. I don’t think a case like that is similar to lawyers asking if the victims in real cases objected in any way. That’s not exactly callous, that’s just a very sound and relevant question. Unless you’re saying lawyers in some cases disregard all other signs of objection the victim made and actually asked if the victim literally verbalized the word ‘no’ as if that would somehow disqualify it as rape. If you can show me a case where a defense attorney actually tried to go down that path I can show you a very un impressed jury.

The point is if some people at that show actually thought I was suggesting that rape was a subject of no importance I think they’re irrational and I wouldn’t miss them as audience members. Quite frankly I don’t think you should either. Fortunately though most people seemed to be leaving in high spirits so I don’t think we need to worry. As far as putting you on the spot with following me is concerned, I’m sorry but you weren’t obligated too. You introduced me as the final act and I ended with a rather conclusive tone (‘thanks for coming hope to see you next month’) so you not going up after wouldn’t have raised any eyebrows.
But now I am the one who has gone on too long.

Thanks for taking the time to express your concern and I hope you don’t take offence to my disregarding it.

I’ll send out a time for our next meeting soon.




It's not about the subjects of even the wording, it's about the context and the person who's telling the jokes and that persons past certainly qualify as context.

Jeremy again, again

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Have you gotten into the red again? Lay off the sauce!

No, but I'm about to. Can't take any more mealy-mouths sober. SCATTER!!!!!!!!!!

I wish...

Jeremy's picture

"Civility in the face of evil is no virtue; rage in the face of nihilism is no vice." (Some wise and very old fart.)

I wish I was quite so capable of expressing myself so eloquently, but I'm of Generation Kill, apparently. Aggressiveness and all.

Uncle Linz

Jeremy's picture

Have you gotten into the red again? Lay off the sauce!

Though I have been told I look rather sheepish... nyuk nyuk nyuk

Jeremy again ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

George Carlin has died, and I'm left with a thought. Fuck politeness in the face of barbarism, and fuck politically correct hand-washing at the expense of facing reality.

"Civility in the face of evil is no virtue; rage in the face of nihilism is no vice." (Some wise and very old fart.)


Lindsay Perigo's picture

Fuck you running?

You always were a tease.

In related news

Jeremy's picture

George Carlin has died, and I'm left with a thought. Fuck politeness in the face of barbarism, and fuck politically correct hand-washing at the expense of facing reality.

Fuck me running.....

Jeremy's picture

Get over it. Criticizing any government pogrom, or political correctitude, is a good thing. Call someone a shitty writer or lazy thinker, but parody does not in any way equate with acceptance. Often a poor (read: shitty) expression of anger or parody can brand one as an irrational shock-and-awe racist, Nazi, socialist or Buddhist (ewwww). Especially on the internet. Call them a stupid, shitty writer. Racist might be a bit overboard.

Or don't get over it. When i can't get over something, I tend to retaliate with useless gestures. For instance, if an idiot was continually allowed to post on a website despite a long history of expressing what I thought were ideas abhorrently inconsistent with the site's values, I would respond by posting one or three-word insults under every one of his threads or comments. Words like "dumbass", or "douche-canoe", or "apoplectic monkey-fucker".

Fruitless? yes.

Comforting? not really.

But fuck 'em, that's why. Be just as irrational as you think the poster and his hosts are being. Then do something good with your time. wankers. Wasn't this thread about something else anyhow?

disclaimer: this post was written with precisely no context or inside information in relation to SOLO for the past year or three...after all, I just got back. Sticking out tongue and yes, I happen to be all three of those 'insults', and am quite proud of it thank-you-very-much.

The issue here ...

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... is Eli's badges, not his previous thought crimes. PC uni-fuckwittery like "negative racial stereotypes" (barf) doesn't cut it after a weekend of Mordi-gang slashing-and-hacking, I'm afraid. "Let's get bashing" seems wimpy next to the reality of "They slashed and beat anybody who stepped in their way." Especially when I'm told jokes about 9/11 are OK with the "right-minded." This is fucking sick.

Guess I should know to expect this depravity from Saddamite Humean headbangers, but it seems I never learn.

Edited to add: the reality—get it, the facts of the matter—that you stupid, wet PC fuckwits won't face up to in your risible, quivering primness is that the "stereotype" has a referent in reality who is all too commonplace and to whom this government is beholden at taxpayer expense, to the detriment of everybody's freedom. Of course not every Maori fits this Mordi stereotype, but that's understood, you mealy-mouthed morons, and it isn't the point here!!

All the context you need

Luke H's picture

Gregster, all the context you need is here.


gregster's picture

If I remember correctly, Elijah, explained before he was banned, that 'spiv' meant 'petty criminal.'

You are therefore taking him out of context.


Jameson's picture

... but does that make your reaction to "The Light Brigade" parody any less a DOHUT moment?

That should of course read

Peter Cresswell's picture

That should of course read "would be based on more THAN JUST empty words..."

Bad Joke

Jameson's picture

As far as I'm aware I only made a (bad) joke of the 2002 blunder once, in the "Light Brigade" poem. The rest of what I've had to say is a commentary on the efficaciousness of the Libz, which has ~ in objective fact ~ gone backwards in numbers since their heyday in 1999.

The truth may hurt, Peter, but none more so than having lost a friend with my criticism.

"If you're truly contrite, then let's see some action from you that proves it."

Fair enough.

We're all aware you've said

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We're all aware you've said the same nonsense more than once.

In any case, any 'reconciliation' would be based on more empty words, but some signs that your actions match what you profess to be your values.

Talk is cheap. If you're truly contrite, then let's see some action from you that proves it.

"But we're all aware you weren't joking then..."

Jameson's picture

My "Light Brigade" post was most certainly making fun of the Libz' 2002 hiccup, Peter, and at the time I didn't think you would be that offended. Indeed, had I known that you'd take such great offense I wouldn't have made light of it at all.

But be assured, it was meant as a joke.

Perhaps your misunderstanding of its intent is the thing that's preventing you entertaining a reconciliation between us.

Or perhaps it's your umbrage-taking that's getting in the way.

Oh, here's a quote I forgot

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Oh, here's a quote I forgot to include, from comedian George Carlin:

"Ohhh, some people don't like you to talk like that. Ohh, some people like to shut you up for saying those things. You know that. Lots of people. Lots of groups in this country want to tell you how to talk. Tell you what you can't talk about. Well, sometimes they'll say, well you can talk about something but you can't joke about it. Say you can't joke about something because it's not funny. Comedians run into that shit all the time... I believe you can joke about anything. It all depends on how you construct the joke. What the exaggeration is. What the exaggeration is. Because every joke needs one exaggeration. Every joke needs one thing to be way out of proportion"

Think about that for a moment. Then read Carlin on the English. As he says, "These are the kind of thoughts that kept me out of the really good schools":

"Are you sick of this "royal family" shit? Who gives a fuck about these people? Who cares about the English in general? The uncivilized, murderous backward English. Inbred savages hiding behind Shakespeare, pretending to be cultured. Don't be misled by the manners; if you want to know that lurks beneath the surface, take a look at the soccer crowds. That's true British character. I'm Irish and I'm American, and we've had to kick these degenerate English motherfuckers out of both our countries."


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For something to be offensive, someone has to be offended. For a person to be a offended, there has to be atleast an element of truth in it. If you have the inability to laugh off something that is considered 'bullshit' then I think the issue actually lies with the person being 'offended', not the offendee.

But this is typical of the politically correct world. The side effect of pussy whipping the public into a state of double think, where the indoctrination has gone so deep that we as a society are unwilling to point out the facts.

Heck, just look at the debates; facts are being classified as opinions, questionining the legitimacy of a given cultures activity (forced marriage) is branded as being racist, the redefinition of tolerance to meaning 'acceptance' and further, a moral relavatism which has resulted in the criminal acts we see today (given we have nothing to hold these little shits up to some sort of set of values).

So I say, bring on the offensive jokes, and all manner of speech that pisses off the PC police. Maybe then as a society, people will wake up and retake their society back from the Politically correct socialist elite hell bent on controlling every aspect of peoples lives.

Joke all you like, if you

Peter Cresswell's picture

Joke all you like, if you like.

But we're all aware you weren't joking then -- and nor was I.

Me:  "...What did happen

Luke H's picture

Me"...What did happen was SOLO and PC and Mitch displayed their easy acceptance of racist stereotypes.."

Elijah: "What you seem to be doing, Luke, is starting from a premise "I must call Elijah a racist, so we shall work back from there""

Your reaction is interesting, Elijah, because in my post here in this thread I have not placed your name and the word "racist" together in the same sentence.

When I do call you a racist, though, it is because of the many racist things you have said in public.  If you want me to stop calling you a racist, perhaps you should stop being one?

Elijah:  "I wish the New Zealand Government would engage the services
of Blackwater to 'de-spiv' our great Nation.

Get some chaps over here to clean up the Tuhoe Terrorists, the
gangs in South Auckland and all the other low life scum which
pollutes these Isles. To put it bluntly, get them to indulge in a
long overdue spot of 'ethnic cleansing'. 

[emphasis mine]

So it's okay for Libz to make fun of...

Jameson's picture

the Mordis, the Welsh, the deaf-blind, the Irish, the Jews, the Germans, the French, the Mexicans, the Canadians, the Chinese, America, the Aussies, Aussie chicks, Mothers-in-law, kiwis, cripples, epileptics, Indians, Pakis, Poms, Muslims, Aborigines, Blacks, Whities, blondes, Jesus, Mormons, Catholics, Michael Jackson, Stevie Wonder, Mike Tyson, the KKK, lepers, geriatrics, South Aucklanders, Arabs, lawyers, rednecks, Scots, octopi, Samoans, Hitler, Hitler's victims, liberals, and 9/11 ... but taking the Mickey out of the Libz is a banning offense?

[ Yes, I'm reiterating the point I made on the thread this originally appeared, but no-one apart from Lindsay has picked up on the double-standard... care to comment, Peter? ]

This is ridiculous. Elijah,

Kasper's picture

This is ridiculous. Elijah, Lindsay and PC have all said the same thing. The post on the badges was to point out the Urban Liberals racist actions of spending the country's money on promoting Maori culture - through a very stupid and pretentious modality. It is the Urban Liberals involved in the recent action of those badges who are collectivists and racist.
This is what happened:
NZ news reported an event of public spending for Maori (pl, in the collective form).

Elijah, disgusted by this piece of news, demonstrated the ridiculousness of this act by doing the same thing. He took the opposite side of the coin.

As PC has said, lighten the fuck up. Your making an issue up which does not exist in the context of the badges post.

"It might be a good idea to question positive and negative racism equally; it might be a good idea to encourage debate about racism as a type of collectivism." Yes it might be. However, it was NOT the point of Elijah's post to be philosophical and debate the points of racism. It was a simple piss take of a current events issue in the media.

The concrete bound, randroidian accusations made on him by you, Rosie and co are just creating work for others. This bull shit keeps coming up.
What work you ask? PC has had to do a whole post on 'lightening the fuck up' Linz will have to do a treatise on the values of humor and Elijah will have to put in a thesis of disclaimers every time he cracks a fucking joke. Talk about turning SOLO into a politically correct bureaucracy.

"...whether it was a good

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"...whether it was a good idea to do so.."

What do you mean by that? Shocked ...are you suggesting we keep quiet about utter nonsense so as not to offend people?

" might be a good idea to encourage debate about racism as a type of collectivism.  But Elijah didn't do those things in his original post about badges.."

I most certainly did. I highlighted the Education Ministry badges are racist, are reinforcing a view of negative stereotypes.

"...What did happen was SOLO and PC and Mitch displayed their easy acceptance of racist stereotypes.."

What you seem to be doing, Luke, is starting from a premise "I must call Elijah a racist, so we shall work back from there"

Intellectually deceitful, and you seem not to accept some fairly basic points made by numerous people in addition to myself.

So call me a racist 100 times...that has been your sole intention all along, and then go off and tell yourself what a 'good person' you are.

Were I to suggest the sun sets in the west you would be criticising me for that, too...because that is how you operate.


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I believe it was you, Lindsay, who said "Not only must we be beyond reproach, we must be seen to be."

And so we must. But we will never be beyond reproach, or be seen to be, by humorless PC Thought Police, and they were not the potential reproachers I had in mind. The more we offend such creatures the better as far as I'm concerned.

Not only must we be beyond reproach ...

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For me, this issue is not about Elijah's post being offensive.  Yes free speech guarantees you the right to be offensive.  So what?  No-one argued that you do not have the right to offend people with these badges.  What we questioned was whether it is a good idea to do so.

It might be a good idea to question positive and negative racism equally;  it might be a good idea to encourage debate about racism as a type of collectivism.  But Elijah didn't do those things in his original post about badges, and PC didn't do those things when he posted Elijah's badges on his blog.

What did happen was SOLO and PC and Mitch displayed their easy acceptance of racist stereotypes, and demonstrated that they, as  "rational" people who like to proclaim the superiority of their beliefs, and the benefits of looking at people as individuals, find it not only easy but FUN to collectivise all Maori people into a little negative stereotypical box.

How very redneck of you all.

Peter.  It is election year.  You are the most prominent Libertarianz member in the NZ blogosphere.  When it comes to your "bad thoughts, bad jokes, or actions likely to bring Objectivism/SOLO/Libz into disrepute" ...  don't you have a responsiblity not to bring the Libz into ill repute?  As libertarians we go on about freedom and responsibility all the time.  Of course you are free to offend people, but don't you have a responsiblity to operate your brain first?

I believe it was you, Lindsay, who said "Not only must we be beyond reproach, we must be seen to be."

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