When all else fails....blame Thatcher

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Submitted by Anonymous Guest on Mon, 2008-06-23 05:27

The temporary Prime Minister of Great Britain, Gordon Brown, is intending to make an attack on Margaret Thatcher today blaming her for a lack of 'social mobility'.

According to him the economic policies during the 1980s has made it more difficult for poor people in Britain to get ahead and it is all Thatcher's fault (so there!).

I gather this is meant to mean that because Thatcher suggested poor people may like to abandon a life of indolence, brown ale and takeaways; and start working to get ahead rather than the socialist utopia of expecting handouts, she is responsible for all the social ills in Britain today.

What Brown will be tacitly admitting is that despite all the billions his Labour government has spent on these people ...it has failed, and been a waste of money.

Well, gosh, I could have told him that! Sticking out tongue

This rather follows on from my badge thread where you have people engaging in mindless wishful thinking as the answer to a problem rather than telling the truth...because the truth is unpalatable.


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Some good news

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Tory MPs 'still overwhelmingly Thatcherite'
By Andrew Porter, Political Editor
25/06/2008

The majority of new Conservative candidates selected to fight the next election are unabashed supporters of Margaret Thatcher's ideals, a new survey has disclosed.

They advocate lower taxes and are more concerned about terrorism than global warming. There is also still a very strong anti-European Union bias among Tory candidates.

The future MPs also advocate an expansion in nuclear power, something the party under David Cameron's leadership has been very reluctant to back.

More than a 120 candidates were surveyed for the conseravtivehome.com website, the grassroots forum for Tory supporters and activists. Those who replied are from a cross-section of seats - winnable ones to those in safe Labour territory.

Tim Montgomerie, the editor of conseravtivehome.com, said: "At the next General Election we may see the biggest increase in the number of Conservative MPs in modern times. In many ways the values of these MPs will be more important than the Tory manifesto.

"Most of them will outlast Cameron's leadership. Within a year or two many of them will be filling ministerial offices. Margaret Thatcher can be proud of them. These are the people who cut their political teeth during her premiership."

Of thouse surveyed, 85 per cent said the Tories should make a commitment at the next election to take very poor workers out of the income tax system altogether. The remainder said public finances would be too tight to make such a commitment.

George Osborne, the shadow chancellor, has refused to make tax cutting commitments before the next election and has also committed to matching Labour's spending plans. That has irritated some MPs and supporters who argue the party should be bolder and advocate lower taxes.

Unsurprisingly, an overwhelming 93 per cent said there should be support for marriage from the tax system.

Mr Cameron has made much of re-branding the Conservatives a "green" party. But it seems a majority of his future colleagues at Westminster are less convinced about the merits of pursuing a strong environmentalist agenda.

When asked what they are more concerned about, 59 per cent said terrorism and 14 per cent said global warming. One in four ranked them equally.

And 83 per cent agree that there should be a significant expansion of the nuclear power industry. Ministers are pushing ahead with plans for new power stations but the Tories appear less enthusiastic.

On Europe there was almost unanimous hostility with 94 per cent of candidates believing that "too many powers have already been transferred to the EU."

The Conservatives campaigning hard against the Lisbon Treaty, but the Government refused to offer the promised referendum on what is effectively the same set of measures that were included in the old EU Constitution.

Mr Cameron and William Hague, the Shadow Foreign Secretary, have both said that they will look again at Britain's commitments outlined in the new Treaty if the Tories are elected, but they have refused to specify whether they will offer a post-ratification referendum.

There was also widespread support for reform of the Barnett Formula - the device that is used to allocate funding to the regions, including Scotland. But only one in five of the candidates agree that there should be an English Parliament.

A report by Ken Clarke, the former Cabinet minister, expected next week, will look at what possible answers there are to the West Lothian question. Since devolution many Tory supporters and MPs have called for a fairer system which stops Scottish MPs being able to vote on English-only laws.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

That's nothing new Elijah.

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"The Vice Chancellor of Exeter University wants to exclude intelligent people from University in favour of...ummmmm...people with low grades from poorly performing schools."

Tony Blair already was promoting that policy when he was Prime Minister. Now can the rest of the world understand why we hated Blair so much? Brown is just continuing his policies without the used car salesman grin.

That's why those two even make the left-leaning David Cameron look like a better candidate.

Let me put it this way,

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Let me put it this way, Joe....when Margaret Thatcher came to power three decades ago,  a lot of working class people took her advice - bought their own homes, bought new consumer goods, foreign holidays and their children studied for exams and won a place at University.

As such there are many former working class people who no longer fall into that category due to 'self help', thrift and diligence...(not the sort of chaps I would invite to dinner, but I say 'well done' to them)

You still, however, have an inter-generational underclass...what I refer to as the "Les Battersby" demographic...who have no intention of ever helping themselves, let alone getting anywhere with billions of dollars being spent on them.

It is these people Gordon Brown was talking about in his speech [today]...now, everyone is free to live their lives however they wish, but let's not expect other people to chip in and pay for the indolence of the Les Battersby chaps.

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Ya know...

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Well, thanks for the distinction. But I can't keep up with all these obscure British references...Sticking out tongue

Joe, before going off half

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Joe, before going off half cocked...you may like to read up who 'Les Battersby' is..ha ha... Sticking out tongue

A 'working man' he is not...and, indeed, ambitious working men are the last people I would criticise as being indolent, amoral and feral.

I am talking about the 'Last Stop cafe' types...and although Battersby is 'extreme' because the writers engage in a spot of 'dramatic license' and exaggerate to make a point, he is not too far from the truth about a couple of million British people. 

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Not end of.

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"What the socialists and do-gooders never understand is the "Les Battersby" demographic...the feral, amoral underclass (of which there are millions in Britain)..are beyond 'help'. They possess values which have not changed in centuries and no amount of money, or University education, or wishful thinking will make any difference. Simple as that. End of." 

 Rand, for her part, did an admirable job of handling racial issues in her essay, never condemning a man for his skin colo, inspiring by holding her philosophy open to anyone willing to try yet STILL telling it like it was. "Bravest Man In America" indeed.

 This applies to the "working man" as well.

 

It seems a solution may be

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It seems a solution may be in the wind.

The Vice Chancellor of Exeter University wants to exclude intelligent people from University in favour of...ummmmm...people with low grades from poorly performing schools Shocked

It seems the elitism of Universities in days gone by when you had.."effete youths clutching teddy bears swilled claret beneath dreaming spires"..Sticking out tongue...is the reason for this change.

Which is what it all boils down to....envy of elitism.

All socialist ideas are based on envy...an envy that some people made themselves fortunes and their children are intelligent and can speak, dress, talk and act properly in contrast to the lower classes.

Rather than providing encouragement for this these socialist chaps seek to ban it and in the process will destroy Universities forever.

What the socialists and do-gooders never understand is the "Les Battersby" demographic...the feral, amoral underclass (of which there are millions in Britain)..are beyond 'help'. They possess values which have not changed in centuries and no amount of money, or University education, or wishful thinking will make any difference. Simple as that. End of.

The existence of a feral underclass during the last few centuries is certainly not the fault of Margaret Thatcher.

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You will note any attack on

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You will note any attack on Douglas or Thatcher (i.e. blaming him/her for every single economic failure since the 80s) is always prefaced with "as everyone knows" or "as anyone who was there will know" or "it goes without saying" or variants thereof. I'm always damned suspicious when people feel the need to consistently resort to such tactics.

Like

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those you see who still have a problem with Roger Douglas.

He, of course, didn't by a long mile go far enough.

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