Olympic phenom's "hubris" damned

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Submitted by Ptgymatic on Wed, 2008-08-20 16:57

The phenomenal sprinter, Usain Bolt, from Jamaica, was repeatedly criticized on U.S. tv for looking back at trailing runners during his races. He's being arrogant, the commentators opined, he's looking around as if to say, "Where are you?" to the rest of the field. He's going to have to learn how to act, they insisted, his behavior is intolerable!

I haven't seen Bolt interviewed, and don't know what his attitude is. However, that he must be careful not to hurt the feelings of the lesser competitors is pure envy, whatever his intention. Looking back reflects how extremely superior he is. It shows that he knows how extraordinary he is, and that is what is intolerable to the commentators and the mentality of the masses. Notice that his knowing his own superiority implies he recognizes others' inferiority! That is the essence of envy, the neurotic sensitivity of inferiority. Spectators can cheer for great performances, as long as the performer isn't proud of himself. Mere pride--justified, appropriate pride-- is experienced as an insult to the average person, and especially to media personnel. 

Another interesting situation: After Mark Spitz won his record seven gold medals, he declined being photographed by the media. He had his own photos taken, and tried to sell them. His effort to make money from his achievement was roundly criticized, and in fact worked to tarnish his popularity.

Now, however, NBC is selling a video of Phelps' performances, advertising it right on the screen during their Olympic coverage!! I wonder if Phelps is getting the lion's share.

--Mindy 


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Not suprised

PhilipD's picture

"I want to know why you two are so surprised that these commie bastards could do such a thing?"

Who expressed surprise? 

"Where are your tears for those forcibly removed from their land so that the Three-Gorges dam might be built? Where are your tears for the poor bastards whose wealth & labor was pilfered to build the pretty baubles wherein all these Olympic events are being held?"

Fuck you,Robert.Tell me, how the hell do you know what I have shed tears for?

"The fact that the Chinese government 'owns' its people and can take a three year old from her home is where all the other evil springs from, surely?"

"...the root of evil in China springs from the communism that infests it."

Are we not in agreement here?

 

"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."

-Herbert Spencer 

Quite right, Eli

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That sort of thing is not even music.

But some American "Objectivists" insist that it is, and that to say otherwise is "fascist," when it's the rap and hip-hop that's fascist, not to mention the esthetic depravity of it.

Fuckwits.

"..but ahead of them I'd

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"..but ahead of them I'd place Americans who acquiesce to rap and hip-hop while calling themselves Objectivists..."

Gosh...who is that?!?! Shocked ..(that sort of thing is not even music)

Eli

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You're simply a braggart. You keep boasting about a weapon that clearly doesn't exist. The time is long overdue to machine-gun the dregs you mention, to be sure, but ahead of them I'd place Americans who acquiesce to rap and hip-hop while calling themselves Objectivists. There's a tragi-atrocity that has snuk up on us unawares: the self-claimed advocates of the philosophy of reason are the very ones lowering the barbarian curtain. I don't expect you to understand what I mean, Eli; whom I expect to understand are the guilty parties, to whom I say:

Ask not for whom the machine-gun stoccatoes ...

Oh. Edited to add, for Wgtn Literalist Libz:

Eye

".. During the Great Leap

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".. During the Great Leap Backward, millions of Chinese were forcibly displaced, millions more sent to 're-education camps.' It's been estimated that 1.5 million people were exterminated.."

I must admit, Robert, if it were up to me.... every NZ communist, trade unionist, left wing liberal lefty tosspot (etc) would be sent to a "re-education camp" or "gulag"  in order to show these chaps what such places are like....(and enabling them to contrast their lifelong ideology with capitalism and libertarianism)...although certain people such as Chris Trotter, all Labour MPs, all Green MPs, the staff at all Universities, the staff of the Unite! trade union, Matt McCarten, regular contributors to the 'Standard' weblog, Greenpeace, the Maxim Institute and a few other communist troublemakers will not actually make it to the 're-education camps' and gulags as their bus will be diverted to a deserted layby to be machine gunned...(they have been asking for it for years so it would be rude not to give it to them) Eye

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No, Robert

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I never said she was more important. Rather, you said, "So what?" to the story of her performance at these Olympics. You said her treatment was less important than business-as-usual in China. You haven't kept your own position straight!

--Mindy

 

Don't accuse me either.

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My so what comment wasn't indifference to the issue as a whole - in spite of the rhetorical questions you posing to portray otherwise.

I was, and still am in the dark as to why I should hold this one girl's plight higher then that of her countrymen.

When all is said and done thanks to her achievements, this woman will be better off than (for example) those who were 'relocated' to make way for the Three-Gorges dam.

I only have a limited supply of tears, and given this state of affairs, why should I shed them for her and not those less favored by the communist Chinese elite?

Don't accuse me

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...for not delineating every wrong China has commited! False accusation. How do you know I didn't "cry" appropriately over every wrong you mentioned?

When you watch the strength and beauty, the skillful achievement of a young girl, and hear the story of her treatment by her kidnappers, the very trainers who hug her as she leaves the floor--and when you can see in her eyes that there is no light, no pride, no happiness--it brings the monstrosity of "man's inhumanity" to life. You know what she has suffered, and for what she was made to suffer, and they are both right before your eyes--the screaming mass of Chinese and the sad-eyed child.

If that means less than censorship or the one-child law, to you, you've lost your focus.

--Mindy 

Actually Phillip

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the root of evil in China springs from the communism that infests it.

The fact that despicable philosophy exposes that ~every~ individual in that country is a slave to the whims of the proletariat/state/Communist party.

Is the kidnapping and enslavement of a single girl, for the purpose of producing a performing seal, an utterly vile act? Yes.

But the Commie party in China holds the title and lien on every human in that country. And they do so because they believe they have a divine right to.

I want to know why you two are so surprised that these commie bastards could do such a thing?

During the Great Leap Backward, millions of Chinese were forcibly displaced, millions more sent to 're-education camps.' It's been estimated that 1.5 million people were exterminated. Where are your tears for these poor suckers eh?

Where are your tears for those forcibly removed from their land so that the Three-Gorges dam might be built? Where are your tears for the poor bastards whose wealth & labor was pilfered to build the pretty baubles wherein all these Olympic events are being held?

Make no mistake, I have no love for slavery or slave-holders. I just think that it's a bit rich that you're focusing in on one little girl and seemingly missing the legions of ghosts & (veritable) slaves standing behind her.

~Every single~ Chinese person in Mainland China is a serf. That's the true tragedy. That and the fact you two are acting like the government treating someone this way is unheard of in China.

Slavery is minor?

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Enslaving a small child is minor? Enslaving a small child because of her apparent talent to become a great gymnast is a small sin? What, then, is freedom for? Do you disenfranchise this child because she is young? Do you disregard her life because she is Chinese? Whose life is more important?

No-one's life can be important unless hers is!

--Mindy

 

Can you think

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of a more minor sin? (Still a sin.)

So What?

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 "In the spectrum of China's sins this is the minor end."

 So what? Hell, yes."

You guys are kidding right? The fact that the Chinese government 'owns' its people and can take a three year old from her home is where all the other evil springs from, surely?

Hardly a 'so what', nor the 'minor end.'

 

"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."

-Herbert Spencer 

Yes, but for you, Greg-stir

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...it isn't a surprise.

Come on Mindy

gregster's picture

Many athletes would kill to represent their country.

And I take it the training was free. Bonus!

In the spectrum of China's sins this is the minor end.

(I don't mean many athletes are would-be murderers, that's just an expression, not meant literally. One must not leave oneself open to certain type's misinterpretations)

I don't know, Robert

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...why you go on about stripping someone of their medals. It isn't something from my post. Your suppositions about my feelings are off-center, I suppose that's because they are guesses.

It's odd that you find stealing U.S. secrets is worse than enslaving this child. Let's see--U.S. secrets are important because the U.S. is a free country, and in a free country... three-year-olds are not treated that way? Or is it that the idea of "nuclear subs" and "military secrets" just tickles your fancy, so China is up to "more" than the inhuman spectacle of tearing a small child, crying, from her mother's arms and forcing her to train as they wish for what they wish, for the "glory" of their flag?

If you can say, "So what?" to the story of that child, there's something terribly wrong.

--Mindy

Yes.

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So what? Hell, yes. If this was the greatest crime the Chinese government was guilty of, the world would be a million times better than it is right now.

The fact is, the Chinese are getting up to more than just this. Tibet? Tienanmen square? Propping up North Korea who in turn prop up anti-US terrorist states. Stealing US military secrets. Building more advanced nuclear missile submarines to help underline its on going military threats against Taiwan. One child policy, Cultural revolution, Etc. etc. ad nauseum.

So, in a way I'm glad that you've gotten angry at China. The deserve your derision. I'm just amazed at the issue that finally got your dander up.

But on this issue, the reality is that neither you nor I can undo what the Chinese government did to her.

And stripping the medals from this veritable slave-girl is only going to hurt her - the victim. It will not shake the Chinese free from the grip of communism.

And, quite frankly, I think she deserves a medal. She bloody earned one - even if she trained under duress. I hope she keeps the thing and immigrates to the West. And if she does, I hope the West welcomes her with open arms, but given the stupidity of current US immigration policy, I wonder if that will happen.

Is punishing her what you want?

The criminal here is the Chinese government and the administrators of the sport. Punish the criminal, not the victim. Destroy & fight the system that enslaves, leave the slave alone.

So What??

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A three-year old child forced to leave her family and train for the glory of China, and you say, "So what?"

So what?

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Compound the despicable crime perpetuated by her government by removing the medals from her?

The fact remains, the US ladies lost in the eyes of the judges.

Be as critical as you want of the sport, its administration and the Chinese government. You won't hear a counter-argument from me.

But those Chinese girls deserve their medals. They sweated bullets to get to the games and beat a more mature and experienced unit from the States.

It would be a crime to strip them of their medals IMHO

A Chinese gymnast

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...had been taken from her home at the age of three! Crying, she begged to be allowed to go home. She was not. She was forced to train as a gymnast, and performed in these Olympics.

--Mindy

All around

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Bolt has been pretty amazing so far. As has Phelps.

A few other stories have caught my attention though. The gymnastics situation in the vault event was shameful, a Chinese gymnast who landed on her KNEES beat out the American for the Bronze. At that point the biased judging does just get ridiculous.

Beyond that I saw a bio piece on Guo Jingjing. A young girl who never wanted to be a diver but was basically drafted into the Chinese program, but then went on to become one of the greatest the country (with one of the best Diving Programs in the world) had to offer, becoming a national celebrity. As a result after the last Olympics she recieved a number of modeling jobs and endorsement deals, making around $3 million a year (pocket change compared to Indianapolis Colts quarterback Peyton Manning who makes $13 million). As a result of this she was sternly punished by her team program and "talked into" performing another time even though she saw herself as retired.

You see everything that's wrong and right in the world at the Olympics.

---Landon

Never mistake contempt for compassion, or power lust for ambition.

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Phelps...

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... love to watch the bloke. I loves the way he wins: by a country mile!

Contrast that to the media crappola over the Chinese gymnasts. Yes the US girls probably were hard done by, but crap judging is something you have to overcome in that sport.

Take a leaf out of Phelps' book and thrash the bastards so badly that even a blind and deaf mute can see that you won!

PS: I have to say that the NBC commentary team is rounding pissing me off. They suck! Their constant attempts to drum up nationalistic fervor at the expense of using their 'expert knowledge' to properly set the stage for the ~real~ performers annoys the hell out of me.

John

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Isn't it just an effing joyous thing to watch someone *achieve*?!!

Yes, it is. I keep bursting into tears! To see human perfection so openly celebrated makes me feel so joyful. It makes me realize how starved I am to see a victorious soul crying out with pleasure.

When I was 11 years old, I won two gold medals at the Auckland Champs for the 100 metre sprint and one for high jump. My Dad was there to see me (which was very rare) and he had tears in his eyes. When we got home, he set me astride on top of his shoulders and marched me down our driveway sounding an imaginary trumpet (I'm teary as I recollect it). He wanted all our neighbours to see. He was openly showing off. God he was proud, and so was I. It's my best childhood memory.

That Jamaican chap

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Was a sight to behold alright, for me the highlight of the Olympics. What made his run so special was his phenomenal ability and the self-consciousness of it. I found myself spontaneously clapping alone in my living room.

The Phelps' highlight reel was a close second with that contagious grin of his.

On the subject of Kiwi's loving a battler but not a winner: our sports commentator Murray Deaker said his highlight was the bronze won by rower Mahe Drysdale, a comment made on the day when the gorgeous Evers-Swindell girls rowed in for gold. This exemplifies the condition Olivia mentions, kiwis preferring to applaud someone like Mahe, stricken by a tummy bug, rowing through his pain, crossing the line 3rd and puking his guts out, than the first-class effort by the golden twins.

It's sick.

Well put Olivia. Isn't it

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Well put Olivia. Isn't it just an effing joyous thing to watch someone *achieve*?!!

Usain Bolt hails from Jamaica as do I, and when he won the 100m a close friend rang me up, jubilant, but saying "I just wish he didnt have to show off at the end there". What she didnt understand and never will, is that some people experience pride and joy and selfish love of what they do, and celebrate it openly. Damn fine stuff. I loved watching Phelps, and Dara Torres for the same reason. Inspirational.

Well said, Olivia, I

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Well said, Olivia, I imagine the female in question is a failure in life (as are most females) and has had hundreds of thousands of dollars in handouts paid for by 'show offs' who are  successful.

I am delighted at that Phelps chap's success; and also that Negro chap from Jamaica breaking that record..gosh...just breathtaking to watch on the television.

These are the sorts of chaps we should be impressed with!

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Petty-mindedness...

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yes, all sorts of strange things get said when the Olympic games are on, by people who actually are inferior.

Yesterday when I was in the supermarket, I was having a pleasant little chat with the check-out lady who was telling me how much she was enjoying watching the games on TV. We were remarking on the amazing achievements of Michael Phelps, until this old woman behind me chimed in with her craggy, nasal voice: "Oh I don't like him at all, he's just a big show off!"

I said,"It's the Olympic games, Old One, the point is to show the world what you can do and what you're made of."

She replied with a screwed up face of contempt, "Na, he's not my cup of tea, I don't like people trying to show off."

I thought of that adage - "Kiwis love a battler but hate a winner;" though I know envy is not particular to Kiwis. (It is, however, a marked mentality trait in our culture I think, because we are such a tiny, insignificant nation and the repressed Protestant modesty runs so deep.)

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