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Do As I say..(or ELSE!)Submitted by Elijah on Fri, 2008-09-26 05:28.
It seems that Richard Goode and Luke have a counterpart in Australia. A self proclaimed 'Anti Racism Campaigner' called Stephen Hagan has decided he will decide for everybody else what they shall do, and what is acceptable. He firstly terrified (by the usual namecalling tactics) the Queensland Government Sports Minister into forbidding the Toowoomba Sports Ground renaming a Grandstand after a chap called 'E S (Nigger) Brown", and now he wants to censure a Dairy company into changing the name of a brand of cheese. It seems the cheese is called 'Coon Cheese' (no, it is not what you think) ...named after a chap Edward Coon, who apparently revolutionised a certain cheesemaking process. Hagan has decided this is false...(despite it being an historical record)...and that the company Dairy Farmers made the story up (they didn't) and now, on his say so, will change the name..(OR ELSE!) What a disgrace. What an absolute disgrace that some tosspot, self proclaimed 'keeper of the conscience' can get away with his arbitrary activities and Governments and private companies will snivellingly bow at his feet.
I would happily bet money that this Hagan chap, being an 'academic' and therefore a leftwinger, also cheered and applauded on September 11...(but I digress) The communistic thought police are alive and well in this part of the World and it seems no one (except me) will stand up to these bullies...*sigh*
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Rosie...
"You mistake consideration, respect, courtesy and graciousness for socialism."
Rosie, I think while you've been here you haven't given various soloists the respect they deserve. I've read some of your posts with consideration and have taken your points, you've made some good ones. Generally I think you can be overly snarky (much like Goode) and that's why I haven't spoken to you directly yet.
But the sentence I've pasted at the top of this post really does call for a bravo. Spot on.
Please
I am, for once, speechless...
Let it remain that way.
Rosie
So dramatic you might be confused for having a "value swoon"!
Ho hum, Elijah.
There is enough written of man's inhumanity to man not to need to explain the obvious here. It is there already for the reading. Thankfully examples of the opposite abound to restore the balance. You mistake consideration, respect, courtesy and graciousness for socialism.
As for your references to what is "well known" about Richard Goode and the rest, your complete idiocy is proven.
Rosie
"..That the problems they
"..That the problems they derided (mainly to do with alcohol addiction and their struggle to adapt to a new culture - although the latter was not so sensitively observed or expressed) were created entirely as a consequence of the immigration of the English seemed to be completely overlooked .."
Are you saying that White/Anglo-Saxon Australians should feel 'guilty'?!?!
...wtf???
Rosie, take your Socialism and stick it up your jumper!
I am 'beyond' horrified at what you have said...it is well known you are a mouth piece for Richard Goode, but..gosh...that is just shocking.
Is he 'in on this'?!?! ...did he put you up to saying that?!?! ...is he a closet communist? ...(is he going to switch parties and be the Maori Party candidate for Mana??!?!?!)
I am, for once, speechless...
http://www.nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/
Mitch
Chill out! My facetious comment in saying that when even the Australians recognise something is racist it probably is so, is not racist. It is an acute and good humoured observation. I lived in Australia for some years and was constantly surprised by the derogatory comments (often very loudly made and accompanied by a jolly laugh) about the "Abbos". That the problems they derided (mainly to do with alcohol addiction and their struggle to adapt to a new culture - although the latter was not so sensitively observed or expressed) were created entirely as a consequence of the immigration of the English seemed to be completely overlooked (or avoided). I lived and worked with my husband in an Aboriginal community and hospital for just under a year. Having said that I enjoyed the company of the Australians that I met very much, thoroughly appreciate their naturalness and good humour and have become the godmother to a number of their children. Are you Australian?
Rosie
For the record,
Coon cheese is fantastic! And it's been around for AGES, probably before 'coon' took its other meaning.
"And when even the Australians agree that it is racist..."
Rosie you hypocritical idiot: get fucked. You sit there railing against racism while calling Australians racist. Huh?
Greg,
get a life.
= Mindy
Aahh..
The plot thickens. A potential triumvirate traitorously exposed.
Legislate good taste?
Rosie, you are saying that it is tasteless, therefore use force to stop it? We're not talking obscene here. What is your conception of the proper role of government? What can you be thinking?
Do you stand behind all UN rulings? Of course not. These are the flimsiest excuses for reasons...but I guess you've expressed yourself, and that's who you are. I'm sorry to learn it, though.
By the way, why did you and Goode want my email address? You never answered.
= Mindy
Quite right Gregster
Throw in a smiley. Allows an out for anything.
"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."
-Herbert Spencer
Of course
and it's no stretch to imagine her and the Goode doctor (s)mooching around the table with aforesaid dictators.
Rosie ...you are
Rosie
...you are supportive of the United Nations?!?! ...an organisation which gives legitimacy to Communist Dictators and Islamic terrorists?!?!?!
Although I am not particularly surprised,
.. personally I could not care less what 'ruling' they have given...and if anything, it is a jolly good reason to do the opposite!
http://www.nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/
Dear Rosie
"what is funny about your comment is the difference between my face and yours in our photos"
Proof, if that was ever needed, that appearances can be deceptive.
Philip, Eli wrote
"...(but I digress)
"
How many more clues would you need that this is not seriously intended? (Wasn't one I found funny either.)
Mindy
1. The United Nations court ruled that the name was offensive in 2003 and that it should not be used. (Legal basis)
2. Sometimes it can be useful to try slotting in another nickname that is personally offensive to you (if Nigger is not) and see how you react. Try "Fuckhead", "Slut" or (for Elijah's sake) "Poor Person" or "University Graduate"!!
3. Use his name for sure - but why his nickname when it is of that ilk. That is so typical of Australian humour though. And that is all that can be said about it as far as I can see.
Gregster
Not humourless at all. Quite the opposite. And what is funny about your comment is the difference between my face and yours in our photos! Who looks more like they are having fun, humourous and happy?!
Rosie
Luke, you and Richard Goode
Luke, you and Richard Goode and others, have spent a year being nasty, deceitful against me, a chap you do not know. Mind made up...."Let's throw as much mud as possible, guys" ...resulting in baseless accusations thrown at me on several dozen occasions.
It is therefore a bit rich to accuse me of not having character! ...that shows how dreadful and hypocritical you [plural] really are....and as for making 'baseless accusations' ...well..ha ha...you are the experts!
Richard was accused of making fun of September 11 with that post. He then departed solopassion in a huff.
I then emailed him asking him to return as often people get a bit carried away, but 'life goes on' ...and he did not do so...(which may indicate that 'silence means consent' to certain allegations)
If there is one thing I find bizarre it is people accusing me of being what they clearly are!
http://www.nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/
Baseless
Elijah, your baseless accusations are similar to the content of your character: you are both full of shit.
For the last time, Richard Goode's posting of the "Moments Ago / Cannabis Legalised In New York" photoshop was made in order to test the assertion that anything can be made into a joke, as Peter Cresswell suggested in relation to the "Maori Badges".
It was immediately shown that, for many SOLOists, 9/11 can never be connected, no matter how obliquely, to anything humourous, no matter how harmless or mild. Black humour, it appears, is incompatible with Randroid programming.
Connecting that thread to support for terrorism is shockingly Orwellian, and the last thing I would have expected from people who hold reason as their only absolute.
It appalls me too,
It appalls me too, Elijah. It may or may not appall Hagan. You wouldn't have a bloody clue.
"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."
-Herbert Spencer
No, Philip, what I find
No, Philip, what I find appalling is that on September 11 various left wingers...University types, Green MPs, Wellington Libertarians/marxists, and other brain-damaged types viewed proceedings with a "rich pricks, serves them right"...and various estwhile solo-ists agreed with them.
This Hagan chap is a left wing socialist fanatic...and one can only presume he is part of this 'Richard Goode/Socialist/highly entertaining/let's laugh whilst innocent get slaughtered' brigade of nasty people.
Nothing about these odious types would surprise me.
http://www.nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/
'...the September 11
'...the September 11 comment is disgraceful, unless of course you can prove it.'
Nothing to do with Goode here, Elijah. You attempt, without any proof, to attribute the cheering and applauding to Hagan . Apparently you and Greg find that funny. Ha fucking ha.
"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."
-Herbert Spencer
Rosie: "Legally inappropriate?"
Does that mean you only pistol-whip the offender, you don't shoot them?
What is your argument in defense of this censorship? "I think you will find..." gives no legal argument or philosophical justification, besides which it is false: I do not "find" it to be as you suggest.
"There is much[sic] reason for not using such a name." Using his name is a tribute to him. That's a good and sufficient reason for using "such a name."
What gives?
= Mindy
Wouldn't expect
Coon cheese to do too well.
Rosie demonstrates the prerequisite humourlessness of the politically correct.
I counted three jokes there Eli, no problems from me- hell, Ms Purchas and the anti-Goode are probably busy rewriting 9/11 from history.
I am not forbidden
I am not forbidden about...anything...as a Libz candidate....this is a basic issue of 'freedom' for people to name a Grandstand or brand of cheese whatever they want.
Were I to be 'forbidden' to do something I would simply do it anyway, and with a much greater splash than would otherwise have happened.
Philip, go and look at the 'disgraceful' photograph Goode and co thought was so amusing about September 11.
http://www.nzcapitalist.blogspot.com/
Revelation
Elijah - suddenly I understand why you act so "controversial" all the time - it's fun when people talk about you!
'Nigger' Brown was a spook
Given the nickname supposedly because he was one very white fella, or alternatively because he was fond of using a brand of boot polish called 'nigger'.
The proposal is not to name a sports ground after him, Rosie, just retain his name over a grandstand.
Personally, I would have thought the use of the 'nigger' nickname of someone who is a real hero in those parts would decrease the power in the word.
What's interesting in this case is that most of the community expressed they had no problem with Brown's nickname being used in this way; the local court threw out Hagan's original case for removal of the word from the ground. Hagan then trotted off to the UN and, disgracefully, won his case in 2003. The Queensland Government rightly ignored them. Not sure why the recent change of heart.
Normally, I too would find the use of the word 'nigger' highly offensive. So what? It's not the legal business of the state, or any other, government. The cheese thing is laughable.
Elijah, the September 11 comment is disgraceful, unless of course you can prove it.
"The ultimate result of shielding men from folly is to fill the world with fools."
-Herbert Spencer
That subject again...
1. Elijah! I thought you were forbidden to speak about your views on racism whilst representing Libertarianz. (You are holding the banner in your photograph!)
2. You are applying those "usual namecalling tactics" yourself in this very piece!! (tosspot, bullies, snivellingly bowing at his feet)
3. You are attributing characteristics to him of which you have no evidence! (leftwinger, cheering and applauding on 9/11)
4. But most importantly you claim the Queensland Government was terrified into an action by name calling? (They are Australians - I am sure they can carry that.) Do you know how many lawyers are employed by the Queensland Government?!
Rather, I think you will find that not only legally but from every possible discipline (and I am sure Glenn would confirm from a marketing perspective) it is an inappropriate name for a public sports ground. He is not "getting away" with anything. His claim would have been examined by any number of bureaucrats and lawyers and it would have been agreed that the name was not to be used. His are not "arbitrary" activities at all. There is much reason for not using such a name.
5. dictionary result for: nigger
1.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive.
a.
a black person.
b.
a member of any dark-skinned people.
2.
Slang: Extremely Disparaging and Offensive. a person of any race or origin regarded as contemptible, inferior, ignorant, etc.
3.
a victim of prejudice similar to that suffered by blacks; a person who is economically, politically, or socially disenfranchised.