universal speculation and the

Joe Idoni's picture
Submitted by Joe Idoni on Sat, 2005-12-03 17:40

Not so long ago, I read (I believe in Introduction to Objectivist Epistemology) that in order to learn something, one must have a comparable/contrastable thing in order to form the concept of said existent. Lacking this, everything else is pure speculation. This is an excellent (although widely ignored by proponents) argument against the existence of an omniscient and/or omnipotent being; A being cannot possess these qualities since there is nothing in reality that one could compare said qualities to.

Sometime before, I had read a post stating that the axiom of existence proves that the universe has always existed (versus being created).

When I integrate these two concepts into my mental archive, they seem to contradict. I see several possibilities for this:
1. They actually do contradict. How can one prove that the universe has always existed with out having a universe (or lack thereof) with which to compare and/or contrast. Please note that I am not arguing against the existence of the universe, only attempting to resolve the concept of its prior eternal existence.
2. They do not contradict. Somewhere I have missed crucial information that would resolve this for me instantly.
3. One of the premises is incorrect. ?
4. I am mixing epistemological knowledge with scientific knowledge. This is by far the one I consider least likely since very rarely do I actually dichotomize concepts and concretes in my mind.

Any thoughts?

Idoni


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One the one hand, there is

Robert Malcom's picture

One the one hand, there is starting with an actual - that which is, is... existence exists - the fundamental axiom... on the other hand, one is starting with a presumed - a belief, and seeking to bring something from nothing... except that something cannot come from nothing...

In other words, presuming the creator is presuming something to be, without proof, and then seeking to refute - like refuting a negative, which is what one does not refute, proof presupposing a positive, that which is...

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