Ahmadinejad: Holocaust a Lie, Israel Has No Future

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Submitted by Jameson on Mon, 2009-09-21 08:00

In case there's anyone who still thinks Ahmadinejad was misquoted when he called for Israel to be wiped from the map, this Reuters report assures us of his true feelings.

"[Israel] will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it," warns the Islamofascist. "This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end."


Islamic victimhood

Ross Elliot's picture

It's occurred to me that the denial of the Holocaust by the jihadists is an exercise in competing victimhood.

The inherent violence of Islamic society, the repression and suppression of natural human needs and wants, forces these savages to externalise their frustration.

The Jews cannot be allowed their Holocaust, factually magnitudes more horrendous than any supposed suffering of Arabs under the infidel. How can the jihadists be victims, and justify their fatwas, if in their very midst, is a society [of Jewish refugees], that despite the monumental cruelty done to it, does not revel in its suffering?

Netanyahu, standing tall at the UN

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Israel PM, Benjamin Netanyahu, let's the simps at the UN have it.

"Yesterday the president of Iran stood at this very podium and spewed his anti-Semitic rants," the premier said. "Just a few days earlier he claimed that the Holocaust was a lie."

"Do those who listened to Ahmadinejad's speech have no shame, no decency?" the premier asked. "Nearly one-third of all Jews at the time perished in the Holocaust," he said. "Nearly every family was affected, including my own."

"Perhaps some of you think [Ahmadinejad] and his odious regime only threaten the Jews," Netanyahu continued. "Well, if you think that you are wrong, dead wrong."

I know some here have very short attention spans, but at least watch the first part, 1 of 4.

"Is this protocol a lie?" Netanyahu asked as he brandished the minutes of the Wansee Conference, the 1942 meeting during which Nazi officials planned the Final Solution.

The prime minister also held up the architectural blueprints of the Auschwitz-Birkenau death camps that bear the signature of Hitler's deputy, Heinrich Himmler.

"Are the successive German governments that have kept these documents for posterity all liars?" the premier asked. "And what of the survivors whose arms still bear the tattooed numbers branded on them by the Nazis? Are those tattoos a lie, too?"

Kyrel

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"Israel needs to make it such that Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, and the Iranian dictatorship "will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it. This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end."

Wise people in the Middle East say: "Dogs keep barking and the caravan of camels keeps going". That applies to Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, and all their friends who equivalent Israel with Arabs
"Israel, like all Western nations, is mostly driven by an ideology of self-hatred and self-destructionism."-where did you get this crazy idea from? Saddam Hussein tried to make A-bomb. Where is his bomb and where is Saddam? If Western nations were treating islamofascists as Israel treated them recently in Gaza, all problems of international terrorism would be resolved for good (in both senses) long time ago.

Wha?

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Robert B: Israelis and Arabs are morally equivalent? Were the Americans and Soviets about the same during the Cold War?

Make Him Eat His Words

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The answer is obvious: Israel needs to make it such that Ahmadinejad, Khamenei, and the Iranian dictatorship "will not last long. Do not tie your fate to it. This regime has no future. Its life has come to an end." Unfortunately, Israel, like all Western nations, is mostly driven by an ideology of self-hatred and self-destructionism. So that crazy tyrant's words really aren't all that far off.

My word, my word

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When someone has an ax to grind the facts get ground up too. Robert B. is trying to ice skate on water, but I have no interest in engaging someone on this level.

--Brant

How did all the reasonable Jews...

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... on those European docks end up in America, and all the 'thugs....', etc., end up in Palestine?

Was there some kind of a version of 'Maxwell's Demon' -- maybe we should call it 'Max's Demon' -- that was sifting through all the Jews fleeing the then latest tribal insanity in Europe, and sending all the reasonable Jews only to America?

Because, damn. They came here, and built their temples and their community centers, they took their place as businessmen and artists and teachers and doctors and lawyers, and they did so peacefully next to Arab-Americans doing exactly the same thing.

Just like, those who emigrated to then Palestine, and who bought land and tried to do exactly the same thing.

The original complaint of the Jerusalem Arab High Council in the 20's -- of which Arafat's 'Uncle Nazi' was one of the members, boiled down to the lovely KKK inspired sentiment "Too many Jews buying land in the 'hood."

My, there is a sentiment to line up behind. So, what is the magic element in Palestine that poisoned the very same process thatJ ews emigrating to America did not experience?

Their original sin was, buying land from the locals at prices that not even those selling the land could afford. ie, the same old, same old, class warfare based envy and hatred. That was not the case in America(then.)

The Hebron massacre in '29 was directly inspired by the 'Too many Jews buying land in the 'hood" sensibilities, and the resulting response -- the defensive state of Israel -- was totally rational.

Where is the State of Israel in North America? I forget-- we got only the reasonable, peace loving Jews. The land eating war mongers all get separated out at the docks, and went to Palestine.

The KKK inspired beginnings -- and, continuation of this inexplicable otherwise tribal based hatred not evidenced in America of these same heritage Jews -- is exactly what is at the base of this ongoing crapfight.

It is crystal clear why the Left ignores the KKK inspired beginnings of this crapfight, because in the context of the M.E., the Jews represented the local 'rich', and the Arabs the local 'poor', and class warfare trumps KKK inspired hatred every time.

In fact, class warfare trumps everything.

So, that explains the hoods and burning crosses on the Left when it comes to Jews in Israel.

Hey, Sharon...

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...maybe you'd like to field this one?

Hello Friends from Robert

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Hello Friends from Robert Bumbalough.

I hope all are well. Please do not interpret the following question in a negative fashion. I respect all conversation participants and am grateful to the owners of Solopassion for allowing members of the public to comment.

This thread is about the continuing threats of president Ahmadinejad of Iran against the State of Israel. If I may be allowed to broach an ancillary issue, could any of the readers tell me how or point me to an article addressing the issue of how Objectivism can justify the actions of one group of thugs, bandits, murderers, terrorists, thieves, and religious lunatics in waging a war of ethnic cleansing and terrorism to establish a socialist State against peaceful and erstwhile rightful owners of property while condemning similar actions waged against the first group of violent religious lunatics? The State of Israel was formed by people who were thugs, bandits, murderers, terrorists, thieves, and religious lunatics that waged a war of ethnic cleansing and terrorism to establish a socialist State. The State of Iran is run by similar thugs, bandits, murderers, terrorists, thieves, and religious lunatics and opposes the State of Israel for the crimes of its founders. Neither group meets an Objective criteria for morality as can be observed in consideration of Ms. Rand's statement that:

"Capitalism is a social system based on the recognition of individual rights, including property rights, in which all property is privately owned.

The recognition of individual rights entails the banishment of physical force from human relationships: basically, rights can be violated only by means of force. In a capitalist society, no man or group may initiate the use of physical force against others. The only function of the government, in such a society, is the task of protecting man’s rights, i.e., the task of protecting him from physical force; the government acts as the agent of man’s right of self-defense, and may use force only in retaliation and only against those who initiate its use; thus the government is the means of placing the retaliatory use of force under objective control."

Since the legitimate government of Palestine when Jewish criminals from Europe waged their war of ethnic cleansing and terrorism against the indigenous and rightful property owners of Palestine and against the military forces of that rightful government which had the moral duty to suppress the egregious violation of the individual rights of their soldiers and the property owners but failed to do so, then how can that failure translate into legitimacy of the Jewish State?

An appeal to Israeli capitalism fails because Israel is a socialist/fascist State lacking laissez-faire capitalism. Appeal to democracy fails because Israel is a one party State wherein the controlling Nation (in the sense of a group of people who form a body politic) forms the single party albeit with allowance for factional competition and thus Israeli democracy is only a sham as was that of the old Soviet Union. Appeal to Objective morality fails to justify legitimacy of the Jewish State because Israel is run by religious lunatics or those who kow-tau to religious lunatics.

So how can the State of Israel's occupation of Palestine be justified save by some arbitrary whim? Can an Objectivist philosopher answer in a manner harmonious with Rand and Peikoff?

Thanks to the reader for taking time to read and perhaps respond. I assure the reader that I harbor no ill will towards anyone due to their ethnic heritage, appearance, sex, sexuality, or physical condition. I am, however, bigoted against bad philosophy or religious lunacy but not the people holding such views. People can learn and change. But violent crime is still violent crime even after 60 years.

Exactly

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Bin Laden's original fatwa from his cave at Tora Bora wasn't taken seriously, either. And he never had medium range rockets, or a nuclear program.

With Obama and his 60s-era peaceniks asleep at the wheel, Israel's only got one option.

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