Which laws should we scrap?

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Submitted by Marcus on Thu, 2010-07-01 08:03

In a historic move, Deputy Prime Minister Nick Clegg is asking people to submit ideas about which UK laws need to be scrapped.

He has already set up a website for contributions called "Your Freedom":

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/

It remains to be seen whether the Government will actually act on the popular suggestions, or if it will just end up as a glorified talking shop.

After a quick look through I have seen some encouraging proposals such as the decriminalizing of drugs, allowing protests outside parliament, removing restrictions on fire-arm use, overturning anti-smoking ban and removing restrictions on Sunday trading.

So my question to SOLOists is what law or regulation would you repeal if you could choose just one?

I think I would overturn the ability of the Treasury to prosecute people for not paying taxes. (Assuming that is just one law.)


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Due to the high volume...

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...the website crashed a few times.

However they've fixed it now and it is back up to full speed.

Anti-smoking law may be overturned

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NicoNAZI's up in arms!
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Anti-smoking law may be overturned in government review

Government could scrap Labour legislation to ban cigarette machines from pubs and tobacco displays from retailers

Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor
guardian.co.uk, Wednesday 14 July 2010

Labour's legislation to ban cigarette vending machines from pubs and remove tobacco displays from shops and supermarkets could be scrapped by the coalition government.

The law was passed in the last few months of the previous administration, but the regulations that would have implemented the changes have been blocked after a campaign from cigarette manufacturers who threatened to seek a judicial review.

Rightwing thinktanks also claimed the bans would be "ineffective or counter-productive"...

The health secretary said he wanted to work "on a voluntary basis" with industry. Otherwise, he said, business would move to "frustrate" any pending legislation.

"This is different from the past when telling people what they should do and then trying to ban it."

http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli...

'Hook up lazy cats to treadmills'

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'Hook up lazy cats to treadmills', 'tax anyone called Steve' - taxpayers' ideas to save money

George Osborne’s attempt to ask the public for spending ideas has been hijacked by pranksters suggesting outlandish ways to save public money.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

Blair thought Brown was 'mad, bad and dangerous'

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It's a good reminder how far the UK progressed to fascism under NuLabour.
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Tony Blair branded Gordon Brown 'beyond redemption' and reneged on deal to stand down after his second term

Allegra Stratton, political correspondent
The Guardian, Wednesday 14 July 2010

The relationship between Tony Blair and Gordon Brown became so hostile that Blair described his chancellor as "mad, bad, dangerous and beyond redemption" and likened Brown's behaviour to that of a "mafioso" in his dealings with him, Lord Mandelson has revealed.

The breakdown in the two men's relationship is detailed in the third instalment of Mandelson's memoirs, The Third Man, in which he describes how he and other No 10 aides drew up plans – codenamed Operation Teddy Bear – to split the Treasury into two in an attempt to weaken Brown's challenge to Blair after the prime minister agreed in 2003 not to fight the next general election, only to renege on his promise.

But plans to remove Brown from the Treasury and put him in the Foreign Office were twice considered and rejected by Blair because he feared Brown would resign and become an even greater threat...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/poli...

seal-belts

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Compulsory wearing of seat-belts. Why? not only have I got to wear one but when I'm driving my kids I have to make sure they have one on too. Even if they are in the back. If I fail to do so I have to pay £50!
Like living in Nazi Germany, lets hope the coalition scarp that draconian law(Drunk introduced by Thatcher and Blair.

Exactly, it's 'elf & safety

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Exactly, it's 'elf & safety gone mad. As Richard Littlejohn would put it, you couldn't make it up.

Well...

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...if we didn't have stupid labour laws protecting employees in the first place then we wouldn't need them!

All the anti-trade union

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All the anti-trade union laws. Why are secondary picketing and wild-cat strikes illegal?

Sterilise the poor and bring back the workhouse

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I don't know what they're going on about, these are excellent suggestions Smiling
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Sterilise the poor and bring back the workhouse: Public's bizarre suggestions for spending cuts

By Mail Online Reporter
14th July 2010

"The Spending Challenge website has been bombarded with possibilities for savings but some are offensive and others simply bizarre – such as the proposal to limit the amount civil servants drink to stop them going to the toilet.

The writer suggested tea cups over 150ml should be banned and ‘fluid monitors’ brought in to impose fines for transgressions, claiming it could save £11billion a year.

Other suggestions include forcing the poor to be sterilised, calling for a return of the workhouse and forcing benefits claimants to work in sweatshops.

One poster, infuriated about the prospect of swingeing cuts, claimed the Office for Budget Responsibility should be renamed the Waffen SS...

The website is similar to the Your Freedom site that asks for ideas about which laws introduced by Labour should be axed. It crashed after dozens of bizarre ideas were suggested, including lifting the ban on marrying a horse.

Shadow Treasury minister Angela Eagle yesterday branded the spending suggestions ‘racist and offensive’.

At Commons question time, she asked for the ‘drivel’ to be removed and the website to be moderated.

Treasury Chief Secretary Danny Alexander replied: ‘Of course these aren’t ideas I would wish to promote.’

But he defended the consultation process and insisted Labour had yet to come up with a single idea to cut back on the burgeoning budget deficit.

Mr Alexander said although he would not promote such ideas, he was surprised she had ‘poured scorn’ on the consultation process."

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/new...

Deliver more for less?

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How can we re-think government to deliver more for less?

"The Spending Challenge is your chance to help shape the way government works. We need to reduce the deficit by cutting public spending in a way that is fair and responsible - and you can help."

http://spendingchallenge.hm-tr...

Most commented/ highest scored so far...

Leave the EU
average score: 4.3/5 (202 votes)

Stop Rewarding People for having Children when they are on Benefits
average score: 4.7/5 (128 votes)

Make People work for Benefits
average score 4.5/5 (250 votes)

Reforms to the NHS...

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This may seem small beer to most countries in terms of Health care reform - it's not a free market - but it's a huge step for the British psyche.

Believe it or not this comes from Liberal Democrat quarters. The so-called "orange book" Lib Dems actually proposed privatising the NHS.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/T...
This "right-wing" fringe of the normally "left-wing" Liberal Democrats now has leadership of the party under Nick Clegg.
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NHS plan puts government on collision course with unions and doctors

Andrew Lansley's radical reforms will see GPs commission care for their patients, with no opt-out and no extra pay

Randeep Ramesh, social affairs editor
guardian.co.uk, Friday 9 July 2010

Andrew Lansley, the health secretary, will announce the biggest shakeup of the National Health Service since its creation in 1948 with radical proposals in a white paper on Monday. It will include plans to use markets, not targets, to improve performance, hand £80bn of taxpayers' money to thousands of family doctors, and free foundation hospitals to leave the state sector and become "not for profit" companies.

According to sources familiar with the proposals, Lansley's analysis is that the NHS has suffered from a lack of competition and choice – and that the improvements over the last decade, such as major reductions in waiting times, have been driven largely by bureaucratic targets and tens of billions of pounds of extra spending. Given the parlous state of the economy, the health secretary has rejected both targets and spending as options for the government...

http://www.guardian.co.uk/soci...

Coalition delivers another blow for liberty...

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...femiNAZIs up in arms.
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Rape defendants to be granted anonymity despite outrage

The Government is to push ahead with plans to grant anonymity to men accused of rape despite anger from women MPs and campaigners, it has been announced.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

Linz...

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...the voting reform is not a spin-off of the suggestions to scrap laws and regulations.

I just posted it here because it was an interesting new development announced by Clegg.

I have no problem with reducing the number of MPs to reduce spending on the state.

Under a first past the post system, constituencies should be of equal size.

The fixed term parliament is also a good move.

I hate the way PM's in the past have called elections at the most optimal time to try and get as many votes as possible.

AV I don't agree with, but it would not be the end of the world if it were introduced.

There's a huge danger with this exercise

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That it will be diverted into reform of the voting system. Like the morons in America who obsess about term limits and the like. Or in NZ who think everything will come right if everyone can be allowed to vote constantly via the Internet. Jesus!

The voting system is not the solution. It is the problem. Morons voting for charlatans.

Rights must be placed beyond the vote!!!!!

Guess I'd better get on there and state the obvious. Eye

Voting reforms at a glance

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Number of MPs to be cut

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"Mr Clegg confirmed that a referendum on replacing first-past-the-post Westminster elections with the Alternative Vote system will be held on May 5 next year...

The number of MPs is to be cut from 650 to 600, saving around £12 million a year on pay, pensions and allowances.

A majority of two thirds will be needed to carry a vote for the dissolution of [a 5 year fixed term] Parliament, rather than the 55 per cent first suggested."

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/201...

Some of the most voted...so far

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Restoring civil liberties

Repeal the Digital Economy Bill

"The ability of the Secretary of State to alter what's illegal without any further recourse to Parliament, EVER, is particularly draconian and worrying."

1495 votes, average rating 4.9/5
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Repealing unnecessary laws

Repeal and change the Smoking Ban

"Repeal the current blanket Smoking Ban that damages local pubs, as well as being a breach of fundamental human rights such as the Property Rights (of the proprietor) and the Right to Choose."

701 votes, average rating 3/5
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Cutting business and third sector regulations

Leave the EU - that should stop most of the daft, expensive legislation

"Some we know are EU-inspired, but other laws are less well known as EU in origin. In fact most of our legislation comes from over the water. But the majority of EU laws and regulations are expensive to implement and monitor, and ineffective in not producing the intended effect; some are harmful, and of course some actually useful."

296 votes, average rating 3.8/5

Linz...

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...which thread is that?

I would like to take a look.

Edit: OK I found it now.

Quite a Libertarian bunch on that site, aren't they? Smiling

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/...

Looks as though ...

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... anyone can participate from anywhere in the world. I just added a comment about the Geert Wilders banning, on a free speech thread.

The true purpose of Government

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Must be a Libertarian Smiling
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The true purpose of Government

by NoMutantEnemy on July 01, 2010 at 09:02AM

The purpose of Government should be to protect the natural rights of citizens (or, in the case of this monarchy, of subjects). Those rights are inherent in the human condition, and are summarised in the American Declaration of Independence and associated documents, and are well described by Thomas Paine and others; the rights to life, liberty, property and the pursuit of happiness. Government exists to protect individuals against each other - so we need a police force; to protect us all against foreign invaders - so we need an armed service; and to arbitrate matters of dispute - so we need a judiciary. These three basic functions are both necessary and sufficient for a civil society. But, most important, we need to be proteced against Government itself.

The single guiding rule should be that no-one, including Government, may initiate violence (including, but not limited to, physical violence) against the person or property of another. Thus, assault, theft, coercion and fraud are prohibited, and such prohibition should be robustly enforced, but all other human interactions are voluntary, and should not be the province of Government...

A just society recognises that we are all equal and should be treated equally. A society which permits us to retain the fruits of our labour is likely to be just, because this notion can be applied equally to everyone. Conversely, a society which requires that some people work to produce wealth, which is then given to those who have not produced it, is inherently unjust, because that concept cannot be applied equally to all. Such a society puts some of its members in the position of slaves, working while not receiving the benefits of that work, and others in the position of masters, benefitting from the work of others while not working themselves. Such a situation is morally unjustifiable...

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/...

This is a good one...

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...sounds like a Libertarian Smiling
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Abolish the Dangerous Cartoons Act

by Luxor131 on July 02, 2010

Cartoons do not need protecting from exploitation, thought crimes such as this have no place in a democratic, free society and should be abolished.

http://yourfreedom.hmg.gov.uk/...

I've already said on another

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I've already said on another thread that Cameron was the only one at the G20 arguing for anything that resembled free markets (making him look like the antithesis of the Obamamessiah).

Now this freedom site with it's prime objective to rescind laws. Let's face it, there is no one in the NZ parliament today who could get anywhere close to being able to think of such a concept.

I'm too jaded to get deliriously excited, but this new government in England is starting to show itself as the best we may have in the West so far. Fingers crossed.

Quote of the day: David Cameron - Drooling Beast: Tony Blair

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In a speech at Imperial College, London, David Cameron said:

"Today in Britain - not in some foreign dictatorship, not in a bygone age you can wake up in the morning, in your own bed, in your own home to hear a knock on the door from an official with one of over a thousand powers that now allow the state to enter your home.

"You don't have to be a terrorist or a criminal fugitive. The authorities have the right to come into your home to inspect potted plants for pests or to check the regulation of hedgerows. We are in danger of living in a control state."

"The balance of power in our country has shifted away from the individual - just trying to live their life - and towards the state and its agencies - constantly probing, prying and picking on people. So we will make some important changes.

"A Conservative government would constantly ask two essential questions: does this action enhance personal freedom, and does it advance political accountability?"

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/new...

However on the other side of the Atlantic, Tony Blair was accepting a "Liberty" Medal from the US National Constitution Centre for his "his steadfast commitment to conflict resolution" - from the Centre's chairman Bill Clinton.

Thanking the Centre, Mr Blair said: "Freedom, liberty and justice are the values by which this medal is struck. Freedom, liberty and justice are the values which I try to apply to my work on governance in Africa and on preparing the Palestinians for statehood. They are the values which drive the work of my faith foundation as we try to show that people of different faiths can live together constructively in peace and harmony."

How sick is that bastard? What an asshole!

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/4/201...

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