I've just gone off New Zealand Lamb.

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Submitted by Marcus on Thu, 2011-04-07 13:11

"Most lamb imported from New Zealand by British supermarkets has been slaughtered according to Muslim law, but this is not mentioned on packaging."

Top supermarkets secretly sell halal: Sainsbury's, Tesco, Waitrose, and M&S don't tell us meat is ritually slaughtered.

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Reed you are right

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Under government regulations, the dairy industy is a monopoly called "Fonterra" in which all factories are halal compliant in accordance to shariah.

"Fonterra has an established presence in the Middle East region dating back more than 30 years. Fonterra Brands' Middle East and Africa manages operations across the United Arab Emirates, Saudi Arabia, Bahrain, Kuwauit, Oman, Qatar, Yemen, Iraq, Jordan and East Africa as well as CIS."


Marcus I have just posted without seeing this.

Sandi's picture

My pc crashed last week and I have had limited access to the web.

I suspect that it's been that

reed's picture

I suspect that it's been that way for a long time.

When I was a child we had some cloth for cleaning from Westfield freezing works. The cloth was printed "Halal Meats".
So, I'd say NZ has been producing halal meat for at least 30 years.


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"To my knowledge all NZ freezing works use the Halal method and so NZ residents would be limited as I describe."

I remember (showing my age) back in 1980's when the first Halal slaughter house was opened in NZ because they got a big contract to export lamb to Iran.

At that time there were a bunch of Christian farmers who were refusing to supply animals to that slaughterhouse and protesting against its existence.

Now all slaughterhouses in NZ are Halal and there's no alternative?

Wow! What a scandal! It's amazing the change a few decades can make.

Or is it the case that people in NZ are just unaware of what's happening?

Islamic lobby is just too powerful

Robert's picture

No arguments there.

I suspect that it's been that way for a long time. I suspect that the same lobby has had a hand in preventing the British from selling Chieftain tanks to the Israelis back in the day.

There is a major war brewing in our future. I just can't decide whether it is going to be a civil war within Islam (Sunnis vs Shites) or between China and the West as one or other or both sets of economies break down.

The only thing that will stop it is if the population of the world wakes up and at minimum (1) stops believing in the primacy of invisible entities that rule in unknowable supernatural dimensions and (2) realizes that production (not consumption) = wealth and (3) realizes what the proper role of government is.

Anything that can be done to speed the day when the majority of people understand those three things is going to be useful. But I personally refuse to go on another sodding diet as part of that effort.

Is this the best way to flip Islam the bird?

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Don't know.

But I tell you what.

If there was a law requiring all Halal meat to be labelled as such, then the sale of that meat would drop dramatically.

You have to wonder why liberals are not gagging for such a law, ususally they love labelling laws.

Could it be because the Islamic lobby is just too powerful in the west?

Normal slaughterhouses

Robert's picture

In that case, you are lucky. To my knowledge all NZ freezing works use the Halal method and so NZ residents would be limited as I describe. I would assume that a similar situation persists in Australia given the magnitude of its Middle East lamb exports.

I stand corrected.

Though my main point remains unanswered: is this the best way to flip Islam the bird?

Boutique slaughterhouses?

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What on earth are you talking about?

We still have normal slaughterhouses in the UK and I can choose to buy non-Halal meat.

Maybe you have to bend over backwards in NZ to get non-Halal meat, but here in the UK it is not the case (unless you want NZ lamb).

I'm just not going to buy the non-labelled NZ Halal lamb from now on and only buy British lamb from butchers and supermarkets that don't stock Halal meat (excepting imported NZ lamb).

By the way, did you know that the UK has the same number of sheep as NZ? Funny how we always thought the whole farming industry was huge in NZ, but it was only in proportion to our smaller population.

I understand that

Robert's picture

you have a philosophical issue with Islam. I do too.

I'm just not prepared to radically alter my eating patterns or pay exorbitant sums of money to boutique slaughterhouses for non-halal meat. I suppose you could grow and slaughter your own cattle and lambs, but who has the time? You might be able to replace meat with canned tuna and sardines but that's a hardship that I'm not prepared to endure. Going vegetarian only kicks the can down the road: you are still confronted with the practical issue of replacing a cheap source of protein with a rarer and more expensive one.

You see I don't see how such a strike against halal meat would be an effective philosophical weapon against Islam anymore than boycotting kosher foods is going stop Judaism or boycotting Christmas is going to smite Christianity.

And it isn't as if the businessmen are going to understand it. They are responding to customer demand by allocating their resources in the most efficient way possible whilst still maintaining their profit margin.

Here's a more effective strategy: propose to blockade Iran -- preventing the entry of all goods, food included -- until they sort their shit out. Now you are taking the fight to the enemy without weakening yourself in the process. And you would be sending a crystal clear message. Also it isn't without precedent. Britain blockaded Germany in each World War.

Of course this strategy would require the populace come to the realization that Iran and fascist Islam has been in an undeclared war with the US since the Ayatollah came to power.

A blockade proposal like that would precipitate the debate you seek. I don't see how your proposed boycott is going to do anything other than increase your grocery bill and decrease the bounty of your dinner table.

Who does that help?

Um Robert...

Marcus's picture

...if you want to eat Halal, that's your choice.

I don't want to eat Halal becuase I don't want to support an industry that blathers Koran verses over my meat and faces Mecca. I don't like them and I don't support them and I wont buy from them. Nor any other stupid religion.

Edit: That includes Sanitarium. Lucky for me it is quite easy to do as they don't seem to sell any products in UK supermarkets. Nevertheless, the seventh day adventists are a minor irritation compared to the spread of Halal.

What bothers you about it?

Robert's picture

The animal is stunned before it's throat is slashed. I can't see how that is any more gory than the non halal method of slaughter where you either put a soft-nose .22 round in the base of the skull with a compressed air gun or cut the throat or something similar.

The only difference is whether all not you blather something in Arabic as opposed to the usual curse-words I've used when last I was confronted by several hundred pounds of dead weight and the sticky messy (and very skill intensive) job awaiting me once the animal stopped living.

From a slaughter house's point of view it is a matter of economy. Training all the butchers to do the job Halal style after stunning the animals means that they can sell their products in the Middle East or Europe with a single production and distribution system. And their men have a single training regime to go through.

Moreover, modern food safety standards require the butchering area be sanitized each day and whenever a different species of animal is to be butchered. In addition, in the US (and I imagine the UK & Europe too) there are government inspectors on hand to look the animals over for signs of BSE, foot and mouth and other veterinary problems.

So adding an extra layer of BS onto an already complex process is only going to complicate the job of slaughtering the animals on a large scale. And that just adds to the cost of something that is already over-priced IMHO.

So for me, I don't really see this as an issue. It is merely an economic/industrial production reality. If you want to sell food to Muslims (Mohammad being the most common name in the world) you have to dress the meat in a particular way. It's the customer's choice that you are pandering too. In that way it's the same as bread companies catering to the increasing demand (in America) for sugar-free and gluten-free products.

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