Obama: We Are Not at War with Islam

Jameson's picture
Submitted by Jameson on Mon, 2011-05-02 09:39

We crack open the champagne, we celebrate, we dance in the street... and then we immediately sober up when the leader of the Free World says...

"... we must also reaffirm that the United States is not — and never will be — at war with Islam. I've made clear, just as President Bush did shortly after 9/11, that our war is not against Islam."


Richard

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

"Their" implies respect for property rights, which the savage, backward, tribal thieves, kidnappers, and rapists didn't have at the time the oil was discovered by the West and legitimately purchased. "Nationalization" doesn't make it theirs. These barbarian monkeys can't extract it to this day, and refer to Western gudgeons who do as "our white slaves."

Richard

Leonid's picture

Exactly! We should take back our oil which we discovered and developed the technology to extract it, and leave to them their sand. Fortunately, we don't use their sand to make silicon computer chips, otherwise they would claim ownership on computers' industry as well.. Incidentally you just proved my point-ideologically the West is not ready to fight Islamism and all other sundry looters seriously.

Kyrel

Richard Goode's picture

Taking back the West's stolen oil will be hugely profitable.

How did our oil get under their sand?

Kyrel

Leonid's picture

"We should try to wipe out their top jihadi and sharia leaders and institutions. Deal them a truly terrible blow."-and promotion in the ranks. Besides, how effective such a bombing could be? NATO tried to kill Gadaffi twice and without much success. To take over oil fields would be a real achievement and definitely will bury Islamism for good, but there are three main obstacles for such an action: 1. Ideological-every single politician in the West would object to it on the grounds that this is an act of "imperialist aggression". 2. Military-such an action means full-fledged war against oil-producing countries, and I don't think that the West is ready for such a war, it even unable to win the war against Taliban and Al-Qaeda. There is no ideological basis and political will to win. 3-financial. There are simply not enough funds for such a war. In short-the West is weak-philosophically, politically and economically. And this is self-inflicted weakness. In regard to propaganda-BBC and CNN in the best case scenario can promote multiculturism, in the worse case-just appeasement.

I'd rather rely on Arab rebels.

Leonid

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Leonid -- You're basically right. The best way to lead the world toward New Liberalism -- and convert/defeat the evil Muslims -- is by example.

Still, in the short run, it would vastly help if all those Muslim dictatorships would fall. I hope the Arab Spring -- which ultimately secretly aims at New Liberal politics, philosophy, and culture -- is hugely successful!

But, at the least, the now essentially worthless West should make a small effort by bombing the top ten or so of their leading gov't, military, police, and Islamic institutions for a few days per country. We should try to wipe out their top jihadi and sharia leaders and institutions. Deal them a truly terrible blow. This is very LOW cost and will have a BIG impact, I think.

Taking back the West's stolen oil will be hugely profitable. It will also starve the jihadi war machine and Muslim evil in general. It will also advance the worldwide cause of justice.

Altho' BBC and CNN-type propaganda is very inferior to Objectivist and libertarian propaganda, it's still quite superior to what the Muslims normally hear. All these very influential and lying jiadi/sharia radio and t'v' stations should be taken over -- or else bombed to oblivion, and replaced by Western ships, satellites, etc.

Kyrel

Leonid's picture

I'd fully agree with your program if you elaborate: 1.Who's in your opinion have a solid philosophical basis and political will today to implement it? 2. In the view that American debt is almost equal to GDP, can you suggest where the money will come from to fund your program? 3. Would you call CNN or BBC rational objective TV stations?

My point, in short-the West should first to clean the philosophical, political and financial mess at home.

Fight to Victory Over Islam

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

America should defend herself, and fight back against jihad and the jihadis. It's an intellectual and military war.

We should start by saying the philosophy of Islam is as false and evil as Communism and Nazism, then toppling the Muslim dictatorships one by one, then reclaiming our nationalized oil, then terminating their jihad/sharia media while propagandizing them with numerous rational, liberal radio and t'v' stations.

Well, rational persuasion is

Richard Wiig's picture

Well, rational persuasion is what I mean't. However, force can certainly persuade and it destroy a mans faith in supernatural beings. Islam tells them they are superior. Finding out that they are not could go a long way towards shattering their illusions.

Richard

Leonid's picture

"Well, the only way you're going to put an end to the jihad is to destroy their faith in Allah. You're not going to do that through the power of persuasion."

I know how to destroy militant jihad-by killing jihadists. However I never learned how one could destroy faith by force. Common sense and human history teaches that this cannot be done-one cannot force mind. If it cannot be done by persuasion, then it cannot be done at all.

As the good lady said...

Jameson's picture

"The battle of philosophers is a battle for man's mind."

You've surrendered yours to a zero, Richard — how's that working out for you?

Glenn

Richard Goode's picture

the United States is not — and never will be — at war with Islam.

Islam is a political ideology, not a foreign aggressor.

How's the battle of ideas going? Are you winning?

Given the size of World

Richard Wiig's picture

Given the size of World Muslim population, such a war is also completely unpractical.

Well, the only way you're going to put an end to the jihad is to destroy their faith in Allah. You're not going to do that through the power of persuasion.

Elimination of bin Laden was long time overdue

Leonid's picture

Elimination of bin Laden was long time overdue. However this action has nothing to do with the war against terror and everything with the fact, that Obama's popularity hit the bottom. After action-satisfaction: Obama's rating raised by 38%. Nevertheless, Obama is right in one thing-this is not a war against Islam. War against Islam means religious war, which is conducting by religionists and in which all adepts of the opposite religion eliminated or converted. For USA,a secular state, such a war is inconceivable. Given the size of World Muslim population, such a war is also completely unpractical. The problem is that USA doesn't really fight the war against terror. Elimination of bin Laden doesn't eliminate Al Qaeda. It still alive and kicking. It's a shame that for 10 years America couldn't hunt down and burn it out.
Incidentally, I'd prefer that bin Laden would stay a trial and hanged.Justice should be done and seen. But in the view, that America is unable to bring the 9/11 already captured terrorists to the court of justice, the on spot execution of bin Laden was probably the only possible solution.

Islam is the product of the

RLKocher's picture

Islam is the product of the corrupt ravings of a psychotic fourteen hundred years ago and imposed by the sword. It has no business inhabiting the same world as productive, rational, and well-ordered mentalities. Those who make excuses for islam or willingly tolerate it are as corrupt and distorted as its original inventor.

Correct burial.

RLKocher's picture

They should have waited two days and thown his rotting body in a ditch somewhere. That's what he earned in life.

Parading the body provides

Richard Wiig's picture

Parading the body provides irrefutable proof. The conspiracy theories are firing up now over the photo. People are claiming it is photoshopped.

Well it should be at war with

Richard Wiig's picture

Well it should be at war with Islam. It needs to be tamed. Islam, minus its jihad imperative, is tolerable.

Jihad

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Obama is absolutely right: America is not at war with Islam. But Islam is certainly at war with America and Western liberalism. That hyper-evil and ambitious ideology has been ferociously trying to conquer and destroy the West for 1400 years now!

The dead bodies...

Marcus's picture

...of Uday and Qusay Hussein were put on display for the world media.

As was footage of Saddam when he was captured and executed.

Where were your crocodile tears for the death and dignity of dead criminals then?

Why?

Neil's picture

Marcus, what objective benefit would parading a body bring? What we all knew must happen, eventually given the effort, did happen. Maniacal jeering is not what I would expect on this blog site. As for the burial its showing respect for the living whose sensibilities right or wrong are real. The gesture is very appropriate. Its hard to understand why an atheist should celebrate a death or maybe you are feeding your spiritual needs as a closet theist. Relief and satisfaction ok but fully self expressed joy - that is a worry. Besides when you are the most powerful nation on earth (for the moment at least) there is no need to 'rub it in'.

Sadly...

Marcus's picture

...this shows that Obama is still an Islamic appeaser. He didn't suddenly change his spots overnight.

So far there have been many reports of Muslims supporting the death of Osama bin Laden saying he was not a true Muslim.

That Obama had Osama buried according to Islamic practices is not just a slap in their faces, but a message loud and clear that the USA is still frightened of Muslim countries and their reaction.

Badly misjudged. Osama's body should have been paraded in front of the world media.

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