Good without gods

Marcus's picture
Submitted by Marcus on Sun, 2011-07-17 18:05

A thought provoking video.

Not perfect, but close.


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Richard

Richard Goode's picture

If we live in a godless universe there's no basis for morality

and

Without religion or gods, we've no basis on which to discuss morality

are two different statements that say two different things. Reed's not being picky.

God is the source of morality. Not many atheists realise this. I was an atheist once. When I realised that God is the source of morality, I became a nihilist. But nihilism is no way to live. It is only a way to die.

Reed

Richard Goode's picture

Errors all the way through

I'll take your word for it. ;‐)

Picky, picky, picky.

Richard Wiig's picture

The essence is, you don't need the concept of a God on which to establish right from wrong, good from bad. I don't know why, but for me that really is a no brainer. Why is it such an issue for you, Reed?

I meant what I said and I said what I meant

reed's picture

The statement was "without religion or gods, we've no basis on which to discuss morality."
The argument was that the statement is without foundation.

It's not the same argument he started with.

Hello, hellooo, hellooo, god are you theeerrre

gregster's picture

From the neuroscientific study by Epley 2009.

“Intuiting God’s beliefs… may … serve as an echo chamber to validate and justify one’s own beliefs.”

The Statement

gregster's picture

is "without religion or gods, we've no basis on which to discuss morality, is without foundation."

Bait and switch

reed's picture

Original objective - To show that good can exist without god or, to disprove that if there is no god then there is no basis for morality.

Actual argument made (summarised at 9:50) - The statement "without religion or gods, we've no basis on which to discuss morality" is without foundation.

Why Reed?

Marcus's picture

As a Christian you only trust the written word?

It'll be easier with a

reed's picture

It'll be easier with a transcript.

Reed

gregster's picture

Which are the errors?

Errors all the way through

reed's picture

Even the title is incorrect.

Is there a transcript somewhere?

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