We offer justice, equality, and that sense of mutual responsibility

gregster's picture
Submitted by gregster on Thu, 2011-09-01 11:47

I smuggled a comment (or two) on to Chris Trotter's blog which passed his own moderation.

It was a quote from Adolf Hitler which must have tied in nicely with Trotter's thinking.

Bravo Gregster!

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Go get the smarmy lowlife!

Wonder if he allows my reply..

gregster's picture

Thank you for your response Chris. May I briefly reply?

“To these people I would bear witness concerning the moral emptiness of this age and the difficulties of projecting a moral dimension upon the world of political action.”

I have seen the results of moral emptiness. North Korea vs South Korea, East Germany vs West, New Zealand before and after Rogernomics.

The system with the least capitalist elements is the most unsustainable.

““What does Chris Trotter and the NewLabour Party offer the Christian Voter?"

The answer is uncomfortable.

We offer complicity in a conspiracy of hope. We offer a berth on a voyage of dissent. We offer a shout of protest at the moral and material inertia of New Zealand life.”

That is a forthright statement of intent Chris. A “complicity” of force against the individual is what democracy and the church have in common. A “conspiracy of hope” is unwittingly revealing too. True, hope is all that can be held if one’s beliefs are not anchored in reality.

“We offer action,” “intervention,” “to smash the bubble that insulates affluence from poverty, indifference from desperation.”

The inevitable result of your prescription is economic disaster and totalitarianism.

The prevention of economic disaster is simply a matter of divorcing the state (and church) from all economic action. The proper system, which will bring the greatest improvement in living standards to the greatest number, is a constitutional republic.

Democracy cannot deliver justice. Only a system protecting individual rights is just. Yours and the church’s preferred system is one in which no person is free. It is unsustainable because “hope” cannot suffice for productive action. The best incentive for production, and thereby wealth creation, is the receipt of profit. The degree that this incentive is curtailed is the degree of impoverishment.

Observe democracy in action – various gangs influencing shortsighted lawmakers – the politics of pull.

You describe a “spiritual crisis” an “unwillingness to affirm that we are all our “brothers’ and sisters’ keepers.”

The crisis is spiritual. The natural spirit of man is subverted and he is treated as an animal.

“NewLabour, by daring to reject the politics of “I” and embrace the politics of “We””

We the dead.

Here is another quote: "The

Leonid's picture

Here is another quote:

"The Nazi party is convinced that our nation can only achieve permanent health from within on the principle: The Common Interest Before Self (point 24).”

Der Nationalsozialismus: Dokumente 1933-1945 ed W. Hofer 1957. Die 25 Punkte des programms der NSDAP. Translation of the points are from Problems in Western Civilization,ed L.F Shaefer et all 1968

Trotter fights back

gregster's picture

Chris Trotter said...
To: Gregster.

Oh dear, what a giveaway, an Objectivist with an alarmingly thorough knowledge of Adolf Hitler.

Though you clearly believe this quote to be a mighty blow against altruism, I'm afraid the joke is on you.

Hitler, you see, didn't believe a word of his own philosophy. He was always and only a man alone: untrammelled by conscience; unmoved by suffering; devoid of empathy. In other words the ultimate psychopath - and Objectivist.

Better luck next time.

Mein Kampf

Richard Goode's picture

I read only the first couple of paragraphs of Mein Kampf ...

It has turned out fortunate for me to-day that destiny appointed Braunau-on-the-Inn to be my birthplace. For that little town is situated just on the frontier between those two States the reunion of which seems, at least to us of the younger generation, a task to which we should devote our lives and in the pursuit of which every possible means should be employed.

German-Austria must be restored to the great German Motherland. And not indeed on any grounds of economic calculation whatsoever. No, no. Even if the union were a matter of economic indifference, and even if it were to be disadvantageous from the economic standpoint, still it ought to take place. People of the same blood should be in the same Reich. The German people will have no right to engage in a colonial policy until they shall have brought all their children together in the one State. When the territory of the Reich embraces all the Germans and finds itself unable to assure them a livelihood, only then can the moral right arise, from the need of the people to acquire foreign territory. The plough is then the sword; and the tears of war will produce the daily bread for the generations to come.

... and put the book down in disgust.

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