For those poor sods who live in North Korea

Mark Hubbard's picture
Submitted by Mark Hubbard on Mon, 2012-01-02 00:56

The new swines at the top have reiterated their policy that three generations of the family of anyone who tries to escape the godforsaken cesspit gulag of a country, be punished, and for border guards to shoot any such escapees on sight. And then Fatboy decrees today that the population must support his lavish lifestyle on their starving lives and they should form a human shield to protect him.

It is obviously no violation of the non-initiation of force principle for any free country to send in the equivalent of a Navy Seal, or SAS team, such as the one that took out Bin Laden, to take out Fatboy, then keep shooting the prick who swills to the top until tyranny gets the message and buggers off.

If I were a North Korean, I would be pleading every civilised country for such a worthy intervention.

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but is it okay to stand by

Richard Wiig's picture

but is it okay to stand by and watch innocents die

If it's not ok, then which innocents should you choose? How much of your own life should you give up for them? Personally I'm not springing into action to save innocents in Nth Korea, and I don't support giving food aid, which no doubt gets put to good use by the regime. It's tragic and terrible that innocents suffer, but the fastest road to something better is probably regime collapse.

Well, we cannot help the

Damien Grant's picture

Well, we cannot help the north koreans because the kims have the bomb, thanks to a dodgy pakistani nuclear scientist.

And we cannot get north korea to disarm because the last crazy to do that was double crossed by the west and nato airplanes were used to help overthrew him.

This is why all attempts to convince iran to disarm will fail.

There is no easy answer, there is no right answer. if we provide food aid to north korea we know we are in effect prolonging the regime, but is it okay to stand by and watch innocents die so those who survive may, may, one day have a chance of a better life?

These are issues that would tax solomon, and I am not solomon.

I'm a self promoting insolvency practitioner from the industrial wastelands of albany.

Come to me with a question on insolvency and I'll give you the juice.

There is no competence to

Scott Wilson's picture

There is no competence to break into North Korea as totalitarian and heavily militarised as it is, and get close to Kim Jong Un - it is inconceivable. Over 1 million men in arms, with around a tenth of the population part of the various secret police forces including Worker and Peasant Red Guards (yes that type), are vigilant to foreigners obsessively and would consider foreigners to be suspicious and pernicious. No chance of any useful intervention here on that front - after all, south Korea tried that for decades.

This edifice will break down only through internal pressure, and will do so by Western countries maintaining strict economic sanctions, and China only just helping it enough to stop it completely collapsing (China wants it to reform and is relatively neutral about a reunified Korea). What is remarkable is how much of a breakdown of the walls around the place has occurred in the past few years. Cheap Chinese DVD and CD players have crept in, and South Korean movies and music are becoming more common among the upper classes and those with something to trade. North Korea watchers note that outside the capital, effectively the entire state distribution apparatus has broken down, and there is a massive black market in goods and services. The numbers believing the propaganda are shrinking through bitter experience, and the appearance of a heavily controlled mobile phone network means the elite class is able to communicate with very low risk of interception. Money (hard currency money) talks in a way that it never did before.

It has also been helped by balloon drops of radios into the country from south Korea. These are important as North Korean radios have no tuning dials, being fixed on the locally available state radio frequencies (or in some cities are cabled networks which can only be turned on or off). Being able to listen to south Korean radio, Voice of America in Korean or Radio Free Asia in Korean opens ears and eyes, and is an effective means of undermining confidence in the regime.

Economic reality is biting home, as is the realisation by more and more that they have been lied to about the outside world, especially south Korea - which has been portrayed as a brutal land of slavery, poverty and hell under the jackboot of brutal American soldiers - the more who find out that it is a prosperous land of wealth, technological wonder and freedom, the more they will seek what they have and the more they will pay lip service to following orders.

North Korea's elite is suspicious of China's intentions, but is less suspicious of south Koreans or Europeans (it doesn't see them as being able to really take control or power). The place will either slowly crack open over the next few years, or there will be a coup and the military will take over and find a way to reform that enriches it and enhances its capability. The best thing the outside world can do is facilitate more information and trust so that those with some influence can effect change. Bear in mind there is nothing remotely resembling an opposition movement or any form of organised resistance - it being next to impossible in a totalitarian Orwellian hell hole where most of the population struggles to eat, and the elite is as much scared of each other as they are of the state itself.

Not to worry

seymourblogger's picture

China is going to take care of it in the Asian way. And it will be effective and it won't be a hardware CGI war.

Copying is not theft

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