New World Trade Center

Ross Elliot's picture
Submitted by Ross Elliot on Mon, 2012-04-30 10:27

A beautiful thing in beautiful New York. Click for greater beauty.


Michael: Venus is un-framed - thank you for the prompt.

Sandi's picture

She is of course free. And "if I may be as bold as to assume" her beauty is as boundless as her freedom?

Perhaps then, if the tower to replace 9/11 was built without (a frame) it might be appreciated with more merit? (talent aside)

Sooner than Later

Newberry's picture

R: "Still no answer to Linz's question?"

Earlier here: http://www.solopassion.com/nod...

R: "The only concept that concerns me right now is honor..."

A review might help.

Robert, I won't bug you anymore and I will only now engage you if I like something you comment on. Hopefully, that would be sooner than later.

Cheers,

Michael

Still no answer to Linz's question?

Robert's picture

The only concept that concerns me right now is honor: You called me a con-man and questioned whether I was lying about my profession. I see you haven't withdrawn these slurs even though you now have evidence to the contrary.

And you have yet to address Linz's question... Now why could that be? I guess I'll never figure that one out because I'm not as smart as you.

I'll be quiet now and you can have the last word, hopefully it will be a big one. I'll have a crayon ready so I can take note of it.

Ad hominem is when someone

Newberry's picture

Ad hominem is when someone calls your statements stupid because they think you are stupid as such. But I questioned your credibility because of the stupid things you have said.

M previous: "...if you are a

Newberry's picture

M previous: "...if you are a scientist I don't believe you could be a good one because of your inability to negotiate concepts."

R: "I am a scientist and I proved it previously ..."

(let that sink in a bit)

Hilarious...

Robert's picture

You take a single poorly chosen word out of ~100 and deduce my profession from it. You conclude that I'm a conman. That's hugely ironic when you're the one hocking your wares on this site and acting like a Gypsy fortune teller.

I don't even have Ocean front property for you to buy in Kansas and I've already proved to your pinup boy Darren that I'm a scientist: trawl through this thread if you don't believe me.

As to the quality of scientist? That's in the eye of the beholder. Public success in this business has as much to do with being ready when opportunity knocks as it does with skill. You can believe that or not, it matters not one bit.

Because you've resorted to pure ad hominem, I'm going to take it as a given that you have no answer to Lindsay's question.

Just Naked.

Newberry's picture

Sandi: "The frame-work surrounding America today is so ugly that I can not bear looking at it."

Hope is an important and essential human characteristic. Without it there is little point in living. There are lots of great Americans, hardworking, upright, and by no means stupid. Lots of them are going through tough times through no fault of their own, and don't have the time to be very vocal or demonstrative. One of my unscientific barometers are comments people make about news items, even silly places like yahoo news - a solid portion of the comments are right on the money. These people have shown that they are awake and are savvy to what is going down. Let's see what happens this coming year. My hope is that America will rise to the occasion.

I don't want to comment on politics for professional reasons, I don't respect the mixture of art and politics. Now if I was at a barbecue with wine and some of your fantastic NZ views I could rant with the best of you.

Michael
www.michaelnewberry.com

PS Venus doesn't have a frame, she is naked.

Warning Flag

Newberry's picture

Hey Robert,

"... I ... call to defend liberty by word and deed ...
I am aware that 'deed' includes the building and appreciation of skyscrapers and even the fine arts."

Huh? I think you are a con artist. A deed is a action one takes to make something or make something happen. Appreciation has nothing to do with it. This is one of many warning flags. Again if you are a scientist I don't believe you could be a good one because of your inability to negotiate concepts.

Michael, it is the frame-work

Sandi's picture

Would you present Venus in a shabby frame?

Hence my reference to Dubai which has some splendid towers designed by architiects who consent to their work being displayed within a filthy dirty frame, namley islamic law. The same could be said for those who would fly within an islamic metal tube.

The frame-work surrounding America today is so ugly that I can not bear looking at it.

And that my dear friend is the heart wrenching truth.

"something about this that nauseates you?"

Robert's picture

Now that ~is~ a question in need of an answer.

I grant you that my style of writing may be nauseating, my grammar certainly is. Rest assured however that I am slowly working to improve the latter.

But I fail to see how, given the context, what I said could have been mistaken as anything other than a call to defend liberty by word and deed. Unless, that is, the offended party was determined to be offended no matter what.

I am aware that 'deed' includes the building and appreciation of skyscrapers and even the fine arts.

Howeve given the 'mixed economy*' that prevails currently in every sphere of human endeavor, it requires a Herculean effort to perceive examples of unabashed capitalism/freedom these days. Making of such an effort is presently beyond Generation Airhead -- in my opinion. But don't let me stand in your way; if you think you can help them to thread that philosophical needle with a work of fine art or a grand building, have at it.

My opinion is that you'll get more traction in the start by focusing on setting the record straight & slaying outrageous myths as Lawrence Reed does here**. It seems to me that this OWS-supporting business owner is going to see your point faster if you tackle him the way Reed does than he would if you attempted to make the same point in a more abstract way.

Even the most the tepid supporters of OWS & Obama will only perceive the Eye of Sauron whenever they stare at WTC#1. So grand artistic gestures aren't going to speak for themselves. And if acknowledging this obvious fact is to be interpreted as call to propaganda then call me Sergei Eisenstein.

*I case I was being obtuse: I am using the term 'Mixed economy' as a metaphor for the muddled state of architecture & construction (Kyrel's observations about this building ~are~ accurate), finance, politics, education, and even fine art.

** This link leads you to the FREE audio version of Great myths of the Great Depression by Lawrence W. Reed, President of FEE (Foundation for Economic Education). A man who's blood is worth bottling. Presumably Michael, you don't view this man's efforts as nauseating propaganda...

L: "To proselytize ... Is

Newberry's picture

L: "To proselytize ... Is there something about this that nauseates you?"

Ya. Proselytizing propagandists. Yuck. Ya, converting people isn't real - converted "airheads" are the same morons with different slogans. hahahaah, it's like turning out Foie Gras, force feeding for fattening geese for slaughter. Now if you really mean to inspire ... but I don't think the people you want are the ones that are too stupid to smell propaganda; or too dull to distinguish anything from politics.

But I haven't taken my walk, but it is about time...actually it is a bus ride, and I periodically look for people to get on the bus to share a ride. Joe seems ready to hop on, but I still remember an episode turning on a friend...

Yes...

Ross Elliot's picture

"On the other hand, it isn't the worst building I've ever seen (you have to go to a state run University for that), and it does recapture some of the grandeur imparted to the Manhattan skyline those sky-scrapers it replaces."

...it's not the worst by a long shot. I was originally critical, particularly about the massive bomb-proof Soviet-style base, but that's the building we have, and we can celebrate the construction and its redeeming features if nothing else.

Michael ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Now that you're showered and walked, what exactly is it that you felt the need to cleanse yourself of? To "proselytize" means "to convert or attempt to convert." In the context of this discussion it means "to convert, or attempt to convert, people to the cause of freedom" (a vertically uphill battle in the case of Airhead America). Is there something about this that nauseates you?

"The key will be ...

Newberry's picture

"The key will be ... Proselytizing, not the rebuilding of the Manhattan skyline (worthy effort that it is), will play the largest role."

Ech...I need to take a shower to wash that concept off me.

Perhaps it's time to go for a walk about.

The End?

Robert's picture

Linz, I agree that Generation Airhead isn't going to pay attention to this skyscraper. You barely hear about the WTC site in the news anyway.

Thomas Sowell cuts to the nub of this matter when he writes "This kind of cynical politics is even more likely to succeed when political opponents fail to articulate their case to the public. And Republicans are notorious for neglecting articulation... The case can be made. But somebody has to make the case."

Sowell was talking about Obama's campaign to Balkanize America, but the point can be abstracted wider than that.

Generation Airhead is so pervasive not because the general IQ of the population has declined but because the number of people ready and able to articulate the case that capitalism is better than socialism declined for a time. Take Leonard "socialism is dead" Peikoff as one, albeit temporary, example.

Now that has changed recently, but only because the economy is about to roar off a cliff. Hopefully the reality of this impending economic disaster will focus the minds of the advocates of freedom and there after Generation Airhead.

But even if the airheads elect Obama, I don't know that that will spell the ultimate doom for the USA. This country has gone through much worse challenges. It's currency has failed before too.

The key will be whether those who know better remain silent or whether they can rouse their somnambulistic neighbors from their funk. Proselytizing, not the rebuilding of the Manhattan skyline (worthy effort that it is), will play the largest role.

"fairly uncreative and bland"

Robert's picture

Yes. I'd agree there.

And the reason it is so bland IMHO is because it was chosen by a committee with all manner of opposing goals. Had the thing been built by a corporation or an individual with the sole purpose of making money by attracting tenants, then I'd wager that the building would have been something for the ages.

And it would likely have gone up and been open for business before Bin Laden bought the farm. Now that would have been poetic.

Sadly it was not to be.

On the other hand, it isn't the worst building I've ever seen (you have to go to a state run University for that), and it does recapture some of the grandeur imparted to the Manhattan skyline those sky-scrapers it replaces.

Communism vs. Capitalism in Tall Buildings

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Robert -- I think the exterior of the main tower of the new WTC -- if we can trust the artists' renderings -- is rather beautiful, if fairly uncreative and bland. If the enterprise were privatized tomorrow (as it should be), I think the main building and complex would be run much better. It would be cleaner, more colorful, have far better public exhibitions, move faster in the elevators, have better public bathrooms, be more enjoyable on the roof, have better tenants, display better tenant and visitor manners, and countless other improvements. I frequently went to the old WTC -- and the atmosphere inside was not all that different from a gov't post office or DMV. Lots of empty space, stillness, lassitude, and even despair from the (dirty, tawdry, mostly unused) lobby to the many (sterile, silent, unbusy) illegitimate gov't departments upstairs.

Well Asked.

Newberry's picture

"What would your opinion of the building be if the Port Authority was abolished and the building sold to private interests in order to defray the costs of government spending...Which is to say, if you were able to wash away the stain of statism, what would your opinion of the building be then?"

Well asked.

L: "You're not getting it ...

Newberry's picture

L: "You're not getting it ... shows a complacency that is *beyond* asinine ... you seem to be oblivious ..."

Lol.

Michael

Lindsay Perigo's picture

You're not getting it. Yes, the building is inspiring. But the idea that it will awaken Generation Airhead and all other Obamarx voters, who now arguably preponderate over the types of American you describe, to American values of which they have zero knowledge or comprehension shows a complacency that is *beyond* asinine. Your country is in mortal danger from Gramsci Alinsky Obama, to an extent to which you seem to be oblivious as well. If that creature wins in November, it's The End.

Kyrel

Robert's picture

What would your opinion of the building be if the Port Authority was abolished and the building sold to private interests in order to defray the costs of government spending...

Which is to say, if you were able to wash away the stain of statism, what would your opinion of the building be then?

Edifice to Communism

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

The new World Trade Center is based on current American engineering and technological genius, and thus is rather magnificent in various ways. But it's still a communist building -- just like the old one. It's owned by the genuinely loathsome Port Authority of New York and New Jersey. The Port Authority, to say the least, is a hellhole of bureaucracy and tyranny. In a myriad of ways the WTC is very different and very inferior to other New York City skyscrapers like the Chysler Building and the Empire State Building -- both of which were capitalist-built and are privately-owned.

Tom, The "key" thing is time

Newberry's picture

Tom,

The "key" thing is time it takes? Yeah, I would have liked it to have been done immediately...but it is being done, which is a fact, not an intention, which I think is the key, not time. They also have been progressing through years of bad economic times, I am amazed that they managed to continue. So my hat is off to everyone involved, and if it is only a few people inspired, fine.

Sandi: "Inspired by what? The

Newberry's picture

Sandi: "Inspired by what? The education system?
Or is it just another Dubai tower?"

Come on Sandi, work with me here. Are all of NZ'ers just in bars looking for a fight?
To answer your question "inspired by what?" By the new tallest building in NYC, will inspire Americans. Is there anything you don't understand about that?

American educational system, has never been good. Americans have historically learned on the job, and by entrepreneurial pursuits.

The time taken

Tom Burroughes's picture

One key thing that strikes me is that it took much longer to build this than the Empire State. Okay, I accept that after the horror of 9/11 that such matters can be more difficult to push ahead with quickly, but still.

Meanwhile, in London, they are pushing ahead with even more skyscrapers. The Shard is almost done. http://the-shard.com/

"Americans will make inspired choices".

Sandi's picture

Inspired by what? The education system?

Or is it just another Dubai tower?

"...an asinine, inane,

Newberry's picture

"...an asinine, inane, touchy-feely Ronroid Brandroid..."

You have an awesome intelligence, yet you sabotage it by silly shit like that. It is the characteristic that kills any enthusiasm I have for you.

This building is the symbol of America's reawakening. Like the rebuilding of the Parthenon, which ushered in the golden age of Greece. It will win the hearts and minds of hard working Americans that believe in being their best and being just. Armed with this Americans will make inspired choices.

L: "You have a president who

Newberry's picture

L: "You have a president who is militantly opposed to everything this new building epitomizes..."

Exactly. Part of my point by implication. Get on the program Lindsay.

America ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... is not back on track. You have a president who is militantly opposed to everything this new building epitomizes, and appeasing of the ideology that led to the necessity for such a building, about to be re-elected. How on earth can this be construed, other than by an asinine, inane, touchy-feely Ronroid Brandroid, as America's being back on track? Jeezy H Galt!!!

Yep, America's back on track.

Newberry's picture

Yep, America's back on track. Read somewhere that the spear is tops out at 1776ft.

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