The Spirit of Geert Wilders

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Submitted by Richard Wiig on Tue, 2012-05-15 08:06

"You'd better have a great credit line at the Bank of Jihad"

Mark Steyn: The Spirit of Geert Wilders

"I have no desire to end up living like Geert Wilders or Kurt Westergaard, never mind dead as Fortuyn and van Gogh. But I also wish to live in truth, as a free man, and I do not like the shriveled vision of freedom offered by the Dutch Openbaar Ministrie, the British immigration authorities, the Austrian courts, Canada’s “human rights” tribunals, and the other useful idiots of Islamic imperialism. So it is necessary for more of us to do what Ayaan Hirsi Ali recommends: share the risk. So that the next time a novel or a cartoon provokes a fatwa, it will be republished worldwide and send the Islamic enforcers a message: Killing one of us won’t do it. You’d better have a great credit line at the Bank of Jihad because you’ll have to kill us all."


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This is the last thing which I'll ever do

Leonid's picture

"Go and actually look at their ideology and you'll find out what it is."

This is the last thing which I'll ever do. As I said before, Islam is boring me.

"Irrelevant. Abrogation is part of mainstream Islam, a tool used by Islams great scholars to nut out Shariah. That's what matters. Not whether or not you can find a contradictory passage in the Qur'an."

Very true. Exegesis, not scriptures is what makes a religion. Give them a text full of contradictions and scholars will make out of it whatever they want.

What it is, then? Go and

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What it is, then?

Go and actually look at their ideology and you'll find out what it is.

And for the theory of abrogation-it is also kind of exegesis which Qur'an disapproves.

"What, do you believe in part of the Book, and disbelieve in part?" Qur'an 2:85

Irrelevant. Abrogation is part of mainstream Islam, a tool used by Islams great scholars to nut out Shariah. That's what matters. Not whether or not you can find a contradictory passage in the Qur'an.

"The ideology of Jihadists is

Leonid's picture

"The ideology of Jihadists is to kill everyone who disagree with them"

"No, it isn't."

What it is, then? The World's domination? Dar al Islam? How they are going to achieve it without to kill everybody who disagree with them? Judging by their victims, they are Muslims , who mostly disagree. ( Muslims/non-Muslims ratio of victims is 8 to 1)

http://www.spiegel.de/internat...

And for the theory of abrogation-it is also kind of exegesis which Qur'an disapproves.

"What, do you believe in part of the Book, and disbelieve in part?" Qur'an 2:85

The ideology of Jihadists is

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The ideology of Jihadists is to kill everyone who disagree with them

No, it isn't.

You merely underline my point.

Don't you really know from

Leonid's picture

Don't you really know from what direction your enemy is coming? I can tell you-one from the Middle East and another from your own government driven by ideas of multiculturism. The ideology of Jihadists is to kill everyone who disagree with them -and their victims are mostly Muslims. Big deal-who doesn't know that? The question is what you are going to do about it? How you are going to fight them? If you philosophically disarm yourself, if you refuse to recognize that Islam today is an eclectic collection of different doctrines united only by their mystic basis, the only way which is left to you is to follow Andres Breivik.

My beef is that if you remain

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My beef is that if you remain ignorant of Islams ideology, then you'll be blind as to how best to defend yourself. Leonid fights tooth and nail to maintain that blindness. All forms of unreason are based on faith and submission. Big deal! That doesn't tell you from what direction to expect your enemy to come.

If we changed the labels here...

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...what would we have?

Islam = communism, Christianity = socialism.

Richard says communism is more evil than socialism. Well, that's true.

Leonid says communism and socialism share the same ideology. Well, that's true too.

What's the argument about, then?

Richard Wiig

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"there's something very very wrong with shifting the focus from an examination of higher level concepts and laws."

And that exactly what I say. The higher level concept on which Islam and all Abrahamic religions are founded is submission. Islam actually means submission. The rest of Islam's theory and practice is based on this concept. Shift your attention from this-and all your critique becomes just a recital of violent verses, atrocities, body counts, rapes, honor killings, stonings and evil intentions of World domination by 2025. All these one can find in any religion, and ideology throughout the ancient and modern history with or without Islam.

Shifting is the wrong word to

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Shifting is the wrong word to use. It's more like a deliberate destruction.

Nothing wrong with examining

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Nothing wrong with examining the roots, Leonid, but there's something very very wrong with shifting the focus from an examination of higher level concepts and laws.

How you can examine Islamic

Leonid's picture

How you can examine Islamic ideology without to examine the mystic root of submission ( Islam) , the cornerstone on which all Abrahamic religions are founded? And you're wrong-in older times I'd be burned on the stake by some inquisitor.

It does necessarily have to,

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It does necessarily have to, because it shifts the focus away from an adequate, or in fact any, examination of Islamic ideology. In order to effectivly fight Islamic ideology, the force behind 9/11, one must know it, and you sabotage any attempt to know it. In older times you'd have been tarred and feathered.

"But that is effectively what

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"But that is effectively what it does"

Doesn't have to. Even on the political level you cannot fight Islam simply by referring to all atrocities committed by Islamists or by quoting verses from Qur'an and hadit. They could always respond by quoting OT, Inquisition, Marx and Hitler, by pointing to the atrocities committed by Christians, Jews, Communists, Nazis, colonialists etc...and claim that their score is better. You have to do a root treatment, to show that source of misery, torture, maiming and death has one common denominator-a mysticism in one or another form. It doesn't mean that you shift your attention from Islam, on the contrary such an approach will only augment your position. By singling out Islam you actually imply that other forms of mysticism are somehow more benign and acceptable. But they are not. Islam became particularly malignant only because we allowed this by granting to it our sanction. To fight it effectively the root of this sanction we have to explore.

This is not about making

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This is not about making excuses for Islam.

But that is effectively what it does. It shifts the focus away from gaining a comprehension of where the Islamic enemy is coming from and leaves Shari'ah unexamined. It ensures ignorance of an active enemy.

My point is that you won't be able effectively fight Islam on the philosophical level if you mentally separate it from the all other Abrahamic religions,because they all have identical philosophical roots.

That it stands upon the mystical/altruist/statist axis goes without saying, Leonid. You can't just include religions in that, Leonid, but all forms of unreason, which include communism, socialism, nazism and cults of all shapes, size and form, not to mention just plain superstition born from ignorance. Fighting the Islamic enemy in the here and now though doesn't require subsuming Islam into that larger battle. It requires a clear focus on the Islamic ideology so that it can be understood and defended against. Doing that doesn't detract from the larger battle, the battle that subsumes all forms of unreason, including Islam and Christianity.

The battle in the long run should be won by fighting the root of all religions together with the mystic-altruist-statist axis of the West.

Which is a greater battle than Islam alone. If you lose sight of what Islamic ideology is, because you're simply focusing on the deeper underpinnings of all forms of unreason, then you'll be smacked over the head by somethign that you never even saw coming.

Leonid is not an Islamogoblinite

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"Leonid is not an Islamogoblinite but makes excuses for Islamogoblinism even as he professes awareness of and contempt for its hostility to reason. This has puzzled me for some time."

Lindsay is not an Obamafascist but non ortho-Objectivist ( whatever it means). However, as Obama, he's thinking along the same totalitarian lines like abolishment of presumption of innocence, indiscriminate ban, banishment , profiling , deportation, detention without trial etc..., willing to allow the blind power of the state to run amok. Now this is puzzling! Is he married to a Democrat?

Richard Wiig

Leonid's picture

"In the face of an Islamic threat that is murdering people daily (just under 19,000 deadly attacks since 9/11, and climbing) people would change the focus to Christianity and the Crusades, making excuses for Islam. I think that if they are to be equated as equals, with no acknowledgement of the differences between them, then it only serves a lack of awareness in the face of a very serious threat. "

This is not about making excuses for Islam. My point is that you won't be able effectively fight Islam on the philosophical level if you mentally separate it from the all other Abrahamic religions, because they all have identical philosophical roots. Such an approach already created revival of the Christian fundamentalism and introduction of many totalitarian measures into the Western relatively free society. The outcome is that only people's choice now is between fascism of Obama and Mormonic fundamentalism of Mitt Romney. The fact that Islam at present is more dangerous than Christianity or Judaism is simply irrelevant. The battle in the long run should be won by fighting the root of all religions together with the mystic-altruist-statist axis of the West.

Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad,

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Sheikh Omar Bakri Muhammad, tells it honestly and simply how it is. No equivocation or deception here:

http://www.mrctv.org/videos/dr...

I think *that* marriage would

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I think *that* marriage would end the moment I arrived home from a hard day at the office, Linz. I'd definitely fare much better with a goblinite. At least I'd drive her mad, rather than be driven mad Eye

I know that all mysticism is equally irrational, and ultimately deadly, even something as seemingly harmless as astrology. I don't defend Christianity because I think it's good, or to protect goblinite sensibilities, but because I think it's important to discern the difference between enemies, actual or potential. You can't fight your enemy adequately unless you know your enemy. After 9/11 and educating myself on why the hell that madness happened I constantly ran into people changing the focus when I talked about what I'd learned about Islam. In the face of an Islamic threat that is murdering people daily (just under 19,000 deadly attacks since 9/11, and climbing) people would change the focus to Christianity and the Crusades, making excuses for Islam. I think that if they are to be equated as equals, with no acknowledgement of the differences between them, then it only serves a lack of awareness in the face of a very serious threat. That's as equally deadly as any variant of mysticism, more so than Astrology. It disarms us.

That's essentially why I bite.

I think I've figured it out!

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Richard is not a Goblian, but makes excuses for Goblianity even as he professes awareness of and contempt for its hostility to reason. This has puzzled me for some time.

Leonid is not an Islamogoblinite but makes excuses for Islamogoblinism even as he professes awareness of and contempt for its hostility to reason. This has puzzled me for some time.

Usually when otherwise sound minds go awry it's because they're thinking with something other than their brains. I wonder if Richard is married to a Goblian and Leonid to an Islamogoblinite?

If so, I would urge both gentlemen to remember that all mysticism is equally irrational, and consequently, barbaric.

I would also urge them to divorce, and then re-marry. Each other. Evil

No need to pay jizya to be a

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No need to pay jizya to be a dhimmi, Leonid. All that's needed is a servile enough mindset and it's as good as home and hosed.

That would mean USA is

Leonid's picture

That would mean USA is already under Sharia. Does she pay jizya or just regular taxes?

If the lady is not a muslim,

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If the lady is not a muslim, then she's a Dhimmi.

See, to practice stealth

Leonid's picture

See, to practice stealth Jihad one even doesn't have to be a Muslim.

Not only did she wear one,

Richard Wiig's picture

Not only did she wear one, Sandi, but she wanted others in the court to wear them too.

And in the USA, the civilian female lawyer defending

Sandi's picture

the alledged plotters of 9/11, voluntarily wears a hijab OUT OF RESPECT!

Yep, the same ideology behind 9/11, is now being RESPECTED in a US court. High five Usama!

"The civilian defense attorney of one of the men accused of plotting the Sept. 11 attacks wore a black hijab and long black robe at the arraignment of the five Guantanamo prisoners Saturday, and she wants other women to dress more modestly.

Attorney Cheryl Bormann, 52, who is from Chicago and is not Muslim, said she wore the modest garment that revealed only her face to show respect for the religious sensitivities of her client, Yemeni terror suspect Walid bin Attash"

http://usnews.msnbc.msn.com/_n...

BTW: Its more fitting to quote a news source other than FOX (for this particular piece of immorality)

I am Spartacus

gregster's picture

We haven't mentioned the muslim child raping occurring in England. But their true colours will out.

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