Tax Havens, Perscuting Rich Pricks, Kids Dobbing in Daddy Tax Dodger

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Submitted by Mark Hubbard on Thu, 2012-07-26 02:56

From best of Life Behind the IRon Drape.

I wasn't going to cross-post this one, as it was only supposed to be a filler, but then, look at the Update 1 that follows it.

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There’s a real beat up in the MSM at the moment over tax havens, and the supposed one percenters having the effrontery to want to protect and spend their own money – for the benefit of all of us in capital markets - against the avarice of the Big Brother State that believes Its divine right is to spend rich pricks money for them, despite having taken a mere seventy years to destroy entire western economies through successive governments coercive Keynesian statism.

I don’t have time to write this week, other than to say, as I’ve been saying on this blog, ‘rich pricks’, so named, appallingly, by a previous New Zealand finance minister – the finance minister who decried the institution of knighthoods, then took one - are the new scape goat of this century. Remember what the twentieth century did to its scape goats. Even as I said - although I thought I was joking - that rich pricks would soon be forced to wear little yellow dollar signs on their lapels so they could be identified, and singled out for retribution, I hear this morning on the radio, Westminster is now looking to force all UK advisors to disclose for vigilante judgement, their clients who are using legal measures the politicians might not agree with, to manage their tax affairs. Goodness me. The next step is usually convincing children that's it's patriotic to dob in their parents. I’m not going for the ultimate Godwin, here, just pointing out the undertow of it, and that this ‘get the rich prick’ screeching that is reaching fever pitch, is ugly, and to free men, worrisome. Especially as I’m starting to hear in every debate a null, dull eyed nationalism being spoken, again, from the forked tongues of our politicians. A peaceful world can only be built upon the voluntary transactions of a laissez-faire capitalism, both domestically, and across the meaningless political borders drawn up by politicians, but capitalism is being destroyed, no, has been destroyed, long ago, in the play-pits of every western government.

Frankly, I don’t need to comment further, as I’ve written regarding this most state persecuted minority in our society here, and again here. I’ve said everything I need to say in those two posts. And I’ve written on the proof of Mankiw, that from 2009, via middle class transfers, even the American middle class, what’s left of them, are net tax takers, and the situation would be similar in New Zealand. Meaning these ‘rich pricks’, vilified by the state, and the greedy, freedom-hating ninety niners - who don’t exist, they’re all just individuals, but let’s not let actual people get in the way of slogans and another flag waving cause - are amongst the very few left paying the tax that has been carrying everyone in our semi-police states. The sick and sad place this leads us, is already evident in the food lines of Greece, and those same queues being cordoned off with police batons in Spain, with the rest of Europe and the US to follow. Saying that the solution to anything, is to give politicians yet more of free mens’money, and thus the lives of free men to cannibalise, is like trying to, … well, it’s like trying to stimulate our centrally planned economies with more of the stimulunacy that brought them to the brink in the first place, via the printing presses of fiat money and the empty, evil bromides and bribes that built our Gulags of Forced Altruism.

UPDATE 1:

And just when I wonder if I'm getting a bit beyond reason, I find that I'm not even keeping up with the statists. Above I wrote:

The next step is usually convincing children that's it's patriotic to dob in their parents.

And then, hattip Crusader Rabbit, I find the statists are already there - incredible:

School children are being encouraged by HM Revenue and Customs to tell their teachers if they know of anyone "in their local area" who is not paying their fair share of tax.

It's all there, I'm afraid, George Orwell's novel 1984 made real: we're living the nightmare.


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Or this...

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From TL IN EXILE: "Stop Paying Taxes Now"

Salient point/conclusion:

At some point the people need to step in and decide that certain abuses will not be tolerated. The only civil and orderly way to do so, the last resort given to us as citizens, without causing a civil war, is to withhold our tax payments, to stop paying taxes of any form in whatever way we can find. If that is to en mass refuse to file income tax returns, so be it.

This will not work if only a few people decide to do so, it has to come from the greater number of outraged citizens, too loyal to take up arms and too civil to protest such egregious actions of our government. The one and singular protest that will bring the government to the bargaining table is to cut off the funds they rely on to make the whole process work. IRS agents get paid from our tax dollars.

Obamacare will enlist thousands more IRS agents. It is time to take a stand before they have those reinforcements in place.

One's own conscience must be the guide on this initiative, but if there is a way to stop the abuses and return this government to a limited and responsible form it is only through tax dollars and the ultimate neutering of the Sixteenth Amendment. Otherwise, we might as well get used to the servitude we have been saddled with these past decades.

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Full version:

For a long time now the trend has gone against the Constitution. The latest Supreme Court ruling that proves that as long as it is considered a tax the people can be forced to buy anything. The penalty for not buying shoes, handbags, cars or any other crazy thing they want us to buy to pay off their political friends can be as high as the products themselves so long as it is considered a tax.

The First Amendment has been under fire by hate speech crimes, by the the fact that one supports life over abortion and the laws against protesting certain political figures as long as the Secret Service denies the opportunity.

The Second Amendment has been denied in every important way already.

The Fourth Amendment has been under fire since the passage of the Patriot Act and has been heightened under the Obama Administration who seeks to use drones to surveil every movement of the people and the development of the TSA into an intrusive and invasive police force. 106 independent political organizations (towns and cities) have been given permission to begin flying drones over our heads to keep track of us, to identify organizations pursuing their First Amendment rights to peacefully assemble and petition the government for a redress of grievances.

The Fifth Amendment has been by-passed by all manner of invasions from forcible DNA samples to surveillance techniques unheard of before.

The Ninth Amendment has never been given any weight in a court of law.

The Tenth Amendment has been trampled on by government coercion and extortion.

The big question to ask yourself is why is the Sixteenth Amendment sacred to a point of violation the due process clause?

The government has been given a charter to provide a certain society to its citizens, in trade, we agree to pay taxes. But, that has all been turned on its head. We are forced to pay taxes to a government that regularly and arrogantly violates all of the other amendments to the Constitution that protect the individual.

It has recently drifted into areas that it has no business being involved in such as the provision of health care, the bailing out of banks and other lending institutions such as Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae, it has bailed out unionized industries and provided low cost loans to green industry companies which have failed nonetheless and provided no relief to the taxpayers.

The president has, since the iinauguration, used the Executive Order to the point which constitutes an abuse of power all with no resistance from the Congress or the Supreme Court.

At some point the people need to step in and decide that certain abuses will not be tolerated. The only civil and orderly way to do so, the last resort given to us as citizens, without causing a civil war, is to withhold our tax payments, to stop paying taxes of any form in whatever way we can find. If that is to en mass refuse to file income tax returns, so be it.

This will not work if only a few people decide to do so, it has to come from the greater number of outraged citizens, too loyal to take up arms and too civil to protest such egregious actions of our government. The one and singular protest that will bring the government to the bargaining table is to cut off the funds they rely on to make the whole process work. IRS agents get paid from our tax dollars.

Obamacare will enlist thousands more IRS agents. It is time to take a stand before they have those reinforcements in place.

One's own conscience must be the guide on this initiative, but if there is a way to stop the abuses and return this government to a limited and responsible form it is only through tax dollars and the ultimate neutering of the Sixteenth Amendment. Otherwise, we might as well get used to the servitude we have been saddled with these past decades.

Posted by T.L. Davis at 12:11 AM

Civil Disobedience

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"Mr. Emerson visited Thoreau at the jail, and the meeting between the two philosophers must have been interesting and somewhat dramatic. The account of the meeting was told me by Miss Maria Thoreau..."'Henry, why are you here?' 'Waldo, why are you not here?'" -Emerson, Ralph Waldo

Pointless martyrdom

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Here I come.

Hell no, Richard. They tend

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Hell no, Richard. They tend to go after the wee guys: they're easier. Look again at what Compliance Man had to say at the meeting I reported in this piece: http://lifebehindtheirondrape.... Yes, my piece is headed persecuting rich pricks, but that compliance meeting, half way down, was about getting little old painter and decorators. Not so long ago they raided 29 (from memory) Chinese restaurants in Auckland. And I'm not joking, the little garage sized traders on TradeMe have been a project for a long time. Just last week there was an advertisement in the Press, the biggest in situations vacant, looking to hire multiple investigators. Forget the empty rhetoric about jobs going in the IRD, that's just back office stuff taken over by technology: where the rubber hits the road of the police state, believe me, there ain't no recession.

Funnily enough, they work on principle: pity is, all the wrong ones.

Sell everything you have on TradeMe and follow Jesus on Twitter

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if you evade tax you're an idiot. They will get you. They will squash you.

Only if it's worth their while, surely?

They already have Shane. If

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They already have Shane. If you are trading on there, including through different accounts, aliases etc, they've been piecing that together for a long time. If you've not had a knock at the door yet, you will. The electronic age is nirvanna for all the IR's: I don't know of any such information they can't legally access. They'll go to your bank and demand all statements for all accounts, and you won't even know it. Raids on businesses and homes are becoming more commonplace; to raid business premises, they don't even need a warrant. That's why the disclaimer on my blog is so clear: if you evade tax you're an idiot. They will get you. They will squash you. It's not worth it, unless you want a pointless martyrdom, which is not rational.

I said it before

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and I say it again - TradeMe listed because it is only a matter of time before the gummint hoves in on its tax-take quest.

Marcus

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Go look at my other post which I've just rewritten: the spying element is a side-show - the harm here is what is this 'good citizen' these children are being inculcated with.

Read my post here: http://www.solopassion.com/nod...

Now, still think this is a beat up?

Marcus

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Your comments are not even cleverly deceptive, just childishly stupid.

Can you give me a specific example of that?

I couldn't open your first link...

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...but it would be just as easy to write an essay could "Goode bollocks and the English language."

If anyone has perfected the art of making pure wind it is you.

Your comments are not even cleverly deceptive, just childishly stupid.

Politics and the English Language

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Ok people, move along. There's nothing to see here.

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The HMRC have said they don't want children to inform on adults who have not paid their taxes.

http://cdn.hark.com/swfs/playe...

Goode God...

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...did you ignore my quote from Mark's second thread on this?

The HMRC have said they don't want children to inform on adults who have not paid their taxes.

Mark compared it to Orwell's fiction which implies compulsion. Actually as you will see the comparison did not originate with him.

Maybe you should move on to a new substance?

Cheers Richard; I was getting

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Cheers Richard; I was getting to this. And don't forget the course is about making 'good citizens': not hard to think of all the damage being done there.

Ecclesiastes 9:11

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Objective consideration of contemporary phenomena compels the conclusion that success or failure in competitive activities exhibits no tendency to be commensurate with innate capacity, but that a considerable element of the unpredictable must invariably be taken into account. (OT)

Newspeak

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What do students think of those who refuse to pay tax or try and defraud the benefits system?

Marcus

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I've looked up the HMRC website and couldn't find the specific reference to informing on those who don't pay taxes.

You didn't look very hard. Here are some relevant excerpts from The tax responsibilities of a good citizen.

Lesson objectives ... To understand the obligations of being a good citizen and discuss what should happen to those who are not prepared to work under such obligations

Discuss whether it is good to pay the tax we do considering the benefits we receive. If it is good, then why do people try not to pay?
[Show class the remaining factfile slides on tax evasion.]

What do students think of those who refuse to pay tax or try and defraud the benefits system? Can they think of any examples they may have heard of in their local area?

What do students think about people who try to avoid paying taxes? Is it a victimless crime? What kind of penalties should such people be given when they are caught?

I have never heard of HMRC determining the school syllabus before.

That's because the HMRC doesn't determine the school syllabus. Who said it did? Mark didn't.

there is no compulsion for teachers to actually use this material.

That's right. Who said there was? Mark didn't.

School children are being encouraged by HM Revenue and Customs to tell their teachers if they know of anyone "in their local area" who is not paying their fair share of tax.

is what Mark actually said. (Or, rather, quoted someone else saying.)

it sounds like a load of porkies to me.

It's a true story. School children are, indeed, being encouraged by HM Revenue and Customs to tell their teachers if they know of anyone "in their local area" who is not paying their fair share of tax. And I just presented the evidence to back up this claim. As anyone with pretensions to rationality ought to do, and knows that he ought to do.

Smoke more marijuana, Marcus. Doctor's orders!

Proverbs 18:13

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Spouting off before listening to the facts is both shameful and foolish. (NLT)

And in the US...

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...the Senate just voted to remove the Bush tax cuts for those earning over 200K or couples earning over 250K from 2013.

Just like Obama wanted.

That story sounds completely bizarre...

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Firstly no child is doing this yet because it is currently school summer break over here...

And secondly I have never heard of HMRC determining the school syllabus before...

Let's see how this story develops over the summer break, but it sounds like a load of porkies to me.

Note: Before you get too excited I've looked up the HMRC website and couldn't find the specific reference to informing on those who don't pay taxes. There are teaching modules on tax, but there is no compulsion for teachers to actually use this material.

And just to copy one of the

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And just to copy one of the comments I've put on the Telegraph thread: context, ie, the sort of poster it was posted to, is pretty obvious:

Sorry, but no western nation looks after 'the rich folk', indeed, just read the media, they're the most state-persecuted minority in our societies now. Look how you've inculcated this ugliness: apparently 'rich folk' aren't even 'normal people'. What then? They've got three legs or something? 'Rich folk' have been cast as the scape goats of this century, and it's sick.

I hate the statist sewer the West had voted itself into.

Think of this, Greg Mankiw's last analysis has shown that over the 2009 year in the US, the middle class, via tax transfers, were net tax takers under the stimulunacy of the Keynesians. I suspect that applies where I live, New Zealand, where middle class welfare has become shamefully 'normalised', and possibly, UK. Thus, it would appear 'rich folk' are the only one's paying tax to support the services you and I take for granted. Perhaps we should actually be looking to cut them some slack, and wonder, instead, at whatever happened to self reliance and self responsibility, in the middle class.

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