The Mitt Romney vs. Barack Obama Presidential Debates

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture
Submitted by Kyrel Zantonavitch on Wed, 2012-10-03 21:34

When it comes to politics, government, and the law, the only words which truly count -- going back 5300 years now -- are "liberty," "justice," "individual rights," and "freedom." To a lesser extent, there is value in the ideas of "libertarianism," "capitalism," "free enterprise," "civil liberties," and "laissez-faire." In the upcoming three presidential debates -- between the Democrat Barack Obama and the Republican Mitt Romney -- look for these terms and ideals to be mentioned, essentially, not at all. Sad


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Oh, now...

Ross Elliot's picture

"Yes. If single women didn't vote democrat, we would have a smaller welfare state than we do. Yes, the ultimate driver is ethics. But my point, over and over, is that women vote with their long term provisioning instincts. I don't see how anyone can deny that. "

...it's just single women?

Doug, stop fucking stupid single chicks. You'll be the better for it.

Mark

Ross Elliot's picture

To quote:

"Not being able to cook, is like knowing not how to fuck."

The Debate

Kasper's picture

Mitt Romney was brilliant the other night. Obama looked tired, resigned and pissed off. He came unprepared. With no teleprompter he was hopeless, waffling on and occasionally looking like he just remembered the point he was trying to make and finally delivering it. For the first time this year I actually believe that Romney has a chance of winning this election. Romney is not perfect, far from it. Obama has to go!

I never respect women who

Mark Hubbard's picture

I never respect women who cannot cook.

Nor blokes, for that matter.

Classic!

Olivia's picture

Hahaha... No, I don't hate women. My mother was a woman and she was more or less sane and decent (although she couldn't cook for shit).

That explains a lot. I always tell my son never trust a woman who cannot cook! He reminds me that when he was in his late teens at the end of the time we still lived together that my cooking got scarcer and scarcer. He was right, as making money became more important to me. I remind him that when I do cook, at least I'm damn good at it. He's quite good at it too now. Smiling Necessity is a great teacher.

I never respect women who cannot cook. Eye

Tom...

Olivia's picture

I am also a bit wary of a lot of evolutionary psychology; at its worst, it can be just a form of biological determinism that is held to undercut free will and reason. Rand never said, by the way, that humans are complete blank slates or that they do not have innate characteristics, but I see no scientific basis for any claims that women are innately less able to reason things out, make choices. One might as well say that some forms of male aggression are anti-rational (as histories of wars and the like tend to prove).

I couldn't agree more.

Wait! There's More!!

Doug Bandler's picture

Female economists are yet another example of the female predisposition for the "gimmedats":

http://www.usatoday.com/story/...

A new study shows a large gender gap on economic policy among the nation’s professional economists, a divide similar — and in some cases bigger — than the gender divide found in the general public. . . .

Female economists tend to favor a bigger role for government while male economists have greater faith in business and the marketplace. Is the U.S. economy excessively regulated? Sixty-five percent of female economists said “no” — 24 percentage points higher than male economists. . . .

Says Ann Mari May, co-author of the study and a University of Nebraska economist, ” . . . women are more likely to accept government regulation and involvement in economic activity than our male colleagues.” . . .

The survey of 400 economists is one of the first to examine whether gender differences matter within a profession. The answer for economists: Yes.

But this is what can you make you really mad:

The biggest disagreement: 76% of women say faculty opportunities in economics favor men. Male economists point the opposite way: 80% say women are favored or the process is neutral.

No matter how much men have sacrificed for women, no matter how much men are being screwed over by women, no matter how much women are receiving jobs, positions, alimony, children, subsidies UNFAIRLY, they still want fucking more, and they have the audacity to think that there still exists some evil patriarchy holding them back (what a joke). THAT MAKES ME ANGRY. BTW, notice a similarity to Blacks? To Hispanics (oh excuse me, Latinos)? To Muslims? To Maori (fuck, I've never even met one)?

It never ends.

No, I don't hate women. My mother was a woman and she was more or less sane and decent (although she couldn't cook for shit). My point is that women are biologically wired to experience certain emotions. Those emotions make rational thought and INDIVIDUALISM very, very difficult. Ayn Rand was a really HUGE exception which is why I love her (even though I'm still pissed at her for sleeping with Branden).

Give the ladies a break, Doug

Tom Burroughes's picture

Here is another from Doug that seems to be rather incongruous on an Objectivist-friendly forum:

"But my point, over and over, is that women vote with their long term provisioning instincts."

What, women are hard-wired into wanting save and accumulate for the long term? Sounds pretty capitalist to me, and not an "instinct" that would be good for anyone trying to build a Welfare State. And as people have noted down the years, the desire to have a measure of security through marriage and a family is often at odds with the Welfare State (as I am sure Doug would agree).

I am also a bit wary of a lot of evolutionary psychology; at its worst, it can be just a form of biological determinism that is held to undercut free will and reason. Rand never said, by the way, that humans are complete blank slates or that they do not have innate characteristics, but I see no scientific basis for any claims that women are innately less able to reason things out, make choices. One might as well say that some forms of male aggression are anti-rational (as histories of wars and the like tend to prove).

Oh dear

Mark Hubbard's picture

"Its hard not to be misogynistic today.

I agree you do seem to find it quite easy. You treat women as a stereotyped collective, just as racists do race. Women are individuals first, Doug, just like you.

As if by fate...

Doug Bandler's picture

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/inst...

If President Barack Obama wins a second term, he may have to thank all the single ladies: A new poll out Wednesday shows Obama crushing Mitt Romney among unmarried women by a lopsided 60%-31% margin. [...]

The Quinnipiac survey found Romney up 54%-35% among married men and 49%-42% among married women. Obama led 47%-38% among single men and 60%-31% among single women.

Single white women. Traitors to their nation and its liberties (or what remains of them).

As I keep saying. Its hard not to be misogynistic today.

The blogger Roissy has weighed in on this:

http://heartiste.wordpress.com...

And here is the relevant part of his conclusion which is mine as well:

Marriage does seem to be at least a partial cure, but with overall marriage rates falling, and age of first marriage delayed, it’s likely the Gimmedat Party will soon demographically overwhelm national elections and put the “opposition” into permanent minority status. Couple this trend with the Mexodus where 2/3rds of all Amerindian migrants — and that’s a lot of them now – will vote for Gimmedats no matter what, and you are looking at a recipe for stark, self-interested regionalism and possible secession, coming soon to a deteriorating bread and circus pledge drive near you.

Its hard not to reach that conclusion. Are Objectivists even capable of seeing that potentiality?

Note: The blogger Roissy (and Whiskey who is quoted in the blog post) are bio-conservatives. But that doesn't change the reality of what they are saying. White leftist women are huge supporters of the left and the welfare state. Now the problem IS the welfare/regulatory state but if you understand leftist women, and I am up to my eyeballs in them, then you know that they hate "fiscal conservatism" almost as much as they hate social conservatism. They are altruists but phony ones at that. They vote for the benefits and the "gimmedats" that the Left offers them.

That is a big problem. Leave it up to women to destroy their country.

woman and the welfare state.

Doug Bandler's picture

that's because women have the vote. Right?

Yes. If single women didn't vote democrat, we would have a smaller welfare state than we do. Yes, the ultimate driver is ethics. But my point, over and over, is that women vote with their long term provisioning instincts. I don't see how anyone can deny that.

Did Romney win this debate? The Left seems to think he did. The Daily Kos Kiddies are livid that Obama didn't fight back hard enough. But then leftists think that Obama isn't Left enough. Hard to believe to a sane, non-leftist person. But I repeat myself.

I think Obama just showcased his true personality (arrogant, ignorant, bully asshat) and that will turn off alot of people (possibly the Blue-dog Dems and borderline independents, precisely the people Romney needs to win because he will never win over Blacks or single college educated women - the latter are too busy fucking their aloof alpha males and wanting the state to pay for their birth control pills). But I think Kyrel is right. Romney will be Bush all over again. In the long run, is that better than O-Filth? Well, maybe. Because at least there will be a long run.

But man o man, when will any Republican ever challenge altruism? Even just a little. Should I hold my breath?

Luke

Mark Hubbard's picture

Excellent; cheers for that Luke.

Entire Video

Luke Setzer's picture

See http://www.cbsnews.com/video/w... for the entire video (or so the site claims).

Sickening

gregster's picture

..to see Romney emphasizing that he won't be making tax cuts.. Mittens Me-too Romney. Great to see President B.O. on the floor. Mitt to allow oil jobs, not "pick losers," and all Jimmy-rhythm could promise were some government teachers. He's a fucking idiot. Are Americans to be fucking idiots this time too? Hope not. But then Romney will get blamed when the B.O. Depression kicks in.

Tweedledumb vs. Tweedledumber

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Ideas count. There were precious few libertarian ones on display. This debate featured two welfare statist semi-totalitarians arguing over trivia. Obama does seem a bit more Big Brotherish than Romney. But the willingness and ability of either to do Job One and cut the size and power of gov't seems almost non-existent.

Will there be less gov't spending, and less regulation of economic, social, and personal behavior four years from now under either Obama or Romney? Based on watching 30 minutes out of 90, both seem like they'll do about the same. I bet anything the federal gov't will be bigger and more dominating in 2016 than it was under Big Gov't-loving George Bush in 2008. Leviathan under President Obamney will quite possibly be rolled back from today's 24% of GDP to 22% -- but not the 20% of pre-Depression 2007. Sad

I like the soundbites I've

Mark Hubbard's picture

I like the soundbites I've seen in the news, but would like to see the whole debate. I can't find a link via Google - Youtube only has extracts - so it anyone knows of a link, please put it up.

Romney was excellent.

Olivia's picture

I could not get over how peeved Obama looked throughout - and yes the dismissive lack of eye contact with his opponent was so smug it came off as weak and rude. Yahoo!!

I howled with laughter when Romney put in the dig about his friend's comment of "picking losers" regarding Solyndra etc. Obama just looked pissed off and lost.

I had a feeling Romney would cream Obama in live debate, and he did.

Well i do believe

Jules Troy's picture

im gunna have a beer!!

 

They won't vote for that !

Steve's picture

I suspect the American public will do the same thing they did last time and vote for the media favourite, Obama.

The majority of people do not care enough to have real opinions. They simply take instructions from the mass media on what is the proper position to take.

In NZ this approach saves time and frees them up for important things like watching rugby and reality TV shows. If they want the inside story, they will read Woman’s Day, but usually only look at the pictures.

Polls good!

Marcus's picture

"Instant-reaction polls conducted by CNN and CBS News suggest that Mitt Romney was the winner of the first presidential debate.

A CNN poll of debate-watchers found Mr. Romney very clearly ahead, with 67 percent of registered voters saying he won the debate, against just 25 percent for President Obama.

A CBS News poll of undecided voters who watched the debate found 46 percent siding with Mr. Romney, 22 percent for Mr. Obama and 32 percent saying it was a tie."

On BBC radio news...

Marcus's picture

...this morning they said Obama just gave a series of "mini-lectures" to camera rather than debating with passion.

I can just imagine how that bombed for Obama.

Maybe he doesn't want to be President anymore?

That'd be good!

Not even ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... the most diehard apologist for The Filth could pretend it won. Couldn't even make eye contact with Romney. Looked pissed off much of the time. Oh still more joy.

The daily telegraph...

Marcus's picture

...says it is a "rude awakening" for Obama.

I can't believe it! Not only have the UK media been outrageously biased towards Obama until now, but usually these debates end with everyone saying it is a tie.

No one is saying it's a tie or even trying to spin it for Obama.

This is history in the making!

Chris Matthews apoplectic ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

Hey, Doug...

Ross Elliot's picture

...that's because women have the vote. Right?

I'm crying ...

Lindsay Perigo's picture

... tears of joy. Romney won, The Filth lost. Resoundingly. Doug, the Right *always* concede the moral high ground to the Left. What matters this time is to eject The Filth. We can fix the Right later.

According to the UK...

Marcus's picture

...media Romney won the debate hands down.

I am pleasantly shocked!

I could cry

Doug Bandler's picture

Romney conceded the moral high ground to the Left. The man is just too much of an altruist.

America is fucked. Generation Airhead has won.

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