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Submitted by Rosie on Wed, 2013-02-13 23:50

The possibility that Shakespeare was not the writer of the plays and sonnets attributed to his name came to my attention when I was about 16 or 17 years old. I recently saw this film, Anonymous, which is a very beautifully rich cinematic production of Tudor England and a convincing portrayal that it was not William Shakespeare but Edward de Vere, 17th Earl of Oxford, who wrote the plays and sonnets attributed to Shakespeare. So convincing was it, in fact, that I was compelled to do a bit more research on the subject!

This article from the Guardian sums up why the proposition is false and at the same time indignantly defends the 'best of British' by pointing out succinctly the flaws of logic and historical inaccuracies (including the moral slurs slung at Good Queen Bess!). More info and links here, from the Telegraph if, like me, this subject interests you. Smiling

I would still highly recommend seeing the film, however, whether or not the proposition is true.


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It is highly unlikely...

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...that the Earl of Oxford was really Shakespeare, not least because he was dead when plays were still being written. Not only that but the "real" Shakespeare would have to have duped contemporaries like Ben Jonson and Queen Elizabeth I.

By the way, the original debate around which so much of Holy Flying Circus is centred if you haven't looked it up already Eye

Go Rosie!

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I want Lindsay to have his own copy of Master & Commander - it's a keeper! So good for you.

Also, I read that book My Week with Marilyn, I've never seen the film though. It's a funny little memoir which describes her in all her beauty and sadness. In Rand's obituary about her, she talks about Marilyn being a very good actress whose ability was not taken seriously by those around her. That's exactly what she was feeling the most pain about during the book. People always assume her depressions were "about" her childhood foster-home experiences etc (and I'm sure they were hideous), but really, I think she rose above all that and it was the present world which really cut at her core.

Oooooooo!

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Pies and pics! Mouthwatering! Thanks, Rosie! Eye

Hooray!

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Guess what, Linz?! You are in luck! I dropped in at the Warehouse while I was doing some other business and lo and behold! I have found a copy of Anonymous for you!

While I was in the dvd section I also had a quick look for Master and Commander. And since it was very cheap, I bought that one for you as well!

ALSO, whilst browsing in the 'M's looking for M & C, I came across the film I mentioned in another post called My Week With Marilyn. This is the true story of a week spent between MM and a young Englishman, Colin Clark, Oxford graduate and the new set assistant. Marilyn Monroe, on honeymoon with Arthur Miller, had come to England to unite with Sir Laurence Olivier (played by Kenneth Branagh) to shoot The Prince and the Showgirl. When Arthur Miller returned to the USA during the shoot due to "marital problems", Colin took up with MM (!) and this is his account of their week together based on his memoir. (A very interesting film and also very cheap so got that one too!).

Yay! Laughing out loud

Linz

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I do want to see this Anonymous though. Perhaps Rosie will bring it out there with the mince pies,

I will see if I can get hold of a copy of Anonymous today for you. Otherwise I will just rent it from the video shop - either way I shall bring it with me (and the mince pies) on Saturday. Do you want me to bring Master and Commander as well or wait for Auckland?

What is this Holy Flying Circus you mention? Is it a one off film or a weekly tv show? Sounds hilarious! (I didn't know that people had tried to prevent any public screening of Monty Python's Life of Brian. Any take off they do of Mohammad and/or Islam will probably need to be scheduled for their final show I would imagine! )

Master and Commander

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But have you seen him in Master and Commander playing his violin? Oh! Lovely Lucky Jack!

I still have not, in spite of all the rave reviews from you, your brother and Pissed Sorry Ass. I blame all of you. You all claim it's the greatest movie ever. I'm ready to be convinced. I'll be in Auckland soon. This will be your opportunity. I can't wait to see it.

It's not that Russel is too butch. He's just so lame at pretending to be butch. Not an actor's face in the pillow.

Yes, well...

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I can't stand him, no matter which way he comes (none of them near me, if I can help it).

That's because he's too butch for you LWF.
But have you seen him in Master and Commander playing his violin? Oh! Lovely Lucky Jack!

Horses. Frightened.

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I loved Russel Crowe as Javert (detached, stiff and cold), but I always love Russel no matter which way he comes.

Sundry body parts boggle, Lady Slapper. Eye I can't stand him, no matter which way he comes (none of them near me, if I can help it). I suppose one will have to endure yet another rehash of Les Mis, just for the sake of enduring it.

I do want to see this Anonymous though. Perhaps Rosie will bring it out there with the mince pies, if she can tear herself away from Gregster.

See the movie thread re what I saw tonight. Holy Flying Circus. It was life-threateningly hilarious.

Anonymous...

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was a very convincingly told story, so well executed and spectacular. I bought it totally, but then I don't know a lot about Shake Spear's history. Eye

I have seen the new film of Les Mis. I have to say I was disappointed in the voices, I know the music really well and have my favourite bits which weren't always "hit". Cosette's singing was quiveringly annoying and Eponine was harshly throaty (I was relieved when she finally died). Fantine was good and certainly put miserable back into Les Miserables. The Thenardiers were brilliant - perfectly pulled-off, I thought. Much of it was very strained, but the heroic story carries it along with sharp acting and WONDERFUL sets. I loved Russel Crowe as Javert (detached, stiff and cold), but I always love Russel no matter which way he comes. Smiling

Olivia

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Wasn't it a fantastic film? I also watched it a couple more times in the week I got it out (rare enough for me) and have lingered over whether to get it out again quite recently! Did you come away feeling more convinced than not that the author of Shakespeare's works was more probably the Earl of Oxford?! I know I did.

I remember you saying once that Les Miserables was one of your favourite books. Have you seen the recently released film of this yet? If so, how did you rate that?

I LOVE this film!

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Only stumbled across it a couple of months ago and have watched it three times since then. The script is very rich and the character of the Earl of Oxford, Edward De Vere, is immensely loveable.

Vanessa Redgrave does a wonderful portrayal of the elderly Queen Elizabeth I - many histories cast her as highly temperamental (the Tudors were), terribly indecisive and thus heavily reliant upon her counsellors (both a strength and a weakness) and very romantically inclined to art. The film portrays her this way.

I too, have no idea whether the proposition is true or not.

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