Ian Thorpe Is *Fully* Out!

Lindsay Perigo's picture
Submitted by Lindsay Perigo on Mon, 2014-07-14 07:24

Australian one-time Olympic swimming champion, the impossibly prepossessing Ian Thorpe, has now admitted what has long been rumoured and anyone with even a minimally-functioning "gaydar" has believed all along—he is gay.

I have two great regrets about this—one, that this divine creature has never been gay with me; and two, the world has been such that he has felt constrained to pretend that he is straight all these years. Evidently he reiterated this lie in a recent autobiography, even though in the same memoir he was candid enough to acknowledge that he suffered from severe depression—the result, no doubt, of living that self-same lie ... of inauthenticity.

I sincerely wish Ian the romantic happiness that has thus far eluded him—I wish him oceans and oceans of it.

I'd also use the occasion to remind people with libertarian tendencies that while we, as freedom-lovers, welcome a milieu in which people like Ian who might otherwise remain closeted for life now feel free to be open about what they do or would like to do with other consenting adults in private (actually, a milieu in which they could say simply, "It's none of your effing business" and be left alone after that would be good too), we do not endorse the reverse-side of the homophobic coin: heterophobia, whose homo-nazi practitioners secretly (and sometimes not so secretly) wish homosexuality to be not merely legal but compulsory and heterosexuality to be criminalised (an idea with considerable appeal to me, I have to confess, but whose appeal I generally resist except on Thursdays).

It disturbed me to hear that the Georgian soprano slated to play Desdemona to the Otello of Simon O'Neill (writer of one of the Forewords to my book The One Tenor, who from all accounts has been beyond stellar as the jealousy-crazed heterosexual Moor) was sacked by Opera Australia for a tweet in which she referred to homosexuals as "sewage" (an allusion, no doubt, to what it is that gay men are thought to plunge their penises into). What on earth did that have to do with her singing?! (What she should have been sacked for was participating in that foul fount of fatuities, Twit-Witter, at all ... but I digress in parentheses yet again.)

A milieu in which people are free to express such sentiments as well as their opposite ... that would be an advance. A milieu in which an Ayn Rand is as free to express her homophobia as a homo-nazi to express her heterophobia, while neither is able to enforce her phobia. "I disagree with what you say, but defend to the death your right to say it," etc. As it is, I fear, the fashionable, politically correct pink swastika rules; homosexuals are able to come out of the closet without trepidation, but heterosexuals are being driven into it.

That is not an advance, just an exchange of bigotries.

Linz

Coming attraction: Authenticism


Stung you

Rick Giles's picture

My contribution here was initially to ridicule the intelligent young actress posted by Kyrel, and if I see her say something great I can modify my opinion.

Noting this, I have called you out for your vicious ridicule and here we are.

I grant you that real world problems like planetary invasion might qualify your demand that Page clear the stage. Then, make your case.

Look, don't then. Don't drop huge cataclysmic conclusions and back them up with reason and evidence. Do not elaborate on why Muslim oppression of the female trumps your attention, should have for Ellen Page, her's was not a 'real world issue..'

Yet, unless you do, the most certain explanation for your vicious ridicule can only be that her speech stung you somehow. The swimmer and the actress talking about gender bother you, not the absence of your supposed topic of concern in their discourse.

ps gender and sex, not the same concept. You can check those terms online.

Rick

gregster's picture

“Let's take that as given for one another but recognise that we disagree on which ideas are correct and their importance.”

Well, you put forward the apparent tangent that what's really important here is not Ian Thorpe's gender at all but the omitted discussion of oppressed (Muslim) women. I think it's fair that you elaborate on why that should matter most, even to yourself.

“How shall big O Objectivists deal with this dispute?”

The Orthos are in agreement, but not with respect to the immigration issue versus citizens' protection.

Rick, I am able to refrain from addressing you by your surname, to aid you in erasing memories of some poor authority figures you may have encountered. I will, too, forgive your sleight of hand in steering the subject to the Muslim oppression of women. That wasn’t my particular “tangent.” You brought that up on this thread; “Real world problems like Gaza or the election, I guess you mean,” Ian Thorpe’s gender is not in question, I don’t believe we doubt whether he’s male.

I wrote “such as..” and named one example, that being Muslim oppression of women, Ellen a fully-fledged qualifier.

“Why reason with somebody's feelings?”

Good thinking, and I didn’t succeed in putting that past you.

“I have to say this though, check your premises. Never said Muslim oppression of women has nothing to do with me and my currency has been ideas not feelings. I am selfish, self-interested, "self-centered" when it comes to my own hierarchy of values and this one is low down on the list- that's why I'm deliberately "disconnected." Tell me how I'm wrong?”

If it’s low on your list then so be it, though you wrote “Never said Muslim oppression of women has nothing to do with me” and that’s a positive, albeit, a minor self-contradiction.

“Apart from calling me an idiot in the above post you've been pretty decent this time around.”

I did suggest idiocy, “just as useful idiots,” a resemblance on your part but I hereby withdraw that because I find you put some funny lines together, you admit the problem of barbarism, and I like humour wherever possible.

“My honest question is translated in your eyes into "downplaying."”

OK, I will play straight too.

“Lay some ideas on me?”

You have plenty of your own without my impositions.

“The premise seems to be that I know and accept something but am shying away from it while you have the courage to state it.”

You’ve now made good on that.

“If this is the most pressing issue of our times, the barbaric invasion of Earth, then of course that should take precedence on this thread.”

My contribution here was initially to ridicule the intelligent young actress posted by Kyrel, and if I see her say something great I can modify my opinion.

“So you're more like the intellectual vanguard? Well, I'm listening, shoot.”

Rick, “In the kingdom of the blind, the one-eyed man is King.” You too have risen above the deluded hordes.

“Bring it home as to why this is the most pressing issue in your own life.”

I think my argument is so powerful that it’s not necessary to talk about it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

Having won the auction the

Rick Giles's picture

Having won the auction the Trademe woman then says there has been a burglary and the bandits have made away with the bed base! What a load of baloney. Next time set your reserve price higher then, you kaukapakapa crook...

You write on an objectivist forum and by doing so I take it you know the power of correct ideas and their importance.

Let's take that as given for one another but recognise that we disagree on which ideas are correct and their importance. How shall big O Objectivists deal with this dispute?

Well, you put forward the apparent tangent that what's really important here is not Ian Thorpe's gender at all but the omitted discussion of oppressed (Muslim) women. I think it's fair that you elaborate on why that should matter most, even to yourself.

This is not the place to proclaim 'It has nothing to do with me - Giles,' merely by your feeling that this hasn't affected you. You seem self-centered and disconnected.

That would be a legitimate cause for you to be frustrated with me and to withhold reasons for your position. Why reason with somebody's feelings?

I have to say this though, check your premises. Never said Muslim oppression of women has nothing to do with me and my currency has been ideas not feelings. I am selfish, self-interested, "self-centered" when it comes to my own hierarchy of values and this one is low down on the list- that's why I'm deliberately "disconnected." Tell me how I'm wrong?

You know the barbarism that is taking over Earth, and just as useful idiots previously and presently, you downplay it: what's that got to do with my everyday life?

Again, I appreciate how that riles you. That's where the bluntness and frustration kicks in and helps explain why you call me by my surname. Apart from calling me an idiot in the above post you've been pretty decent this time around.

The thing is, once more, those premises are mistaken. Import the presumption that we both agree concerning the barbaric take-over and what have you got? My honest question is translated in your eyes into "downplaying."

I'm interested in how barbarism is taking over the Earth. And not just in a Flash Gordon fan kind of way. Lay some ideas on me?

When your chickens come home to roost you will deny you were on the slacker front but we have it here, your willful unawareness of your disconnection with the most pressing issue of our times.

The premise seems to be that I know and accept something but am shying away from it while you have the courage to state it. That leads to your contempt.

Just empirically though, I am accepting your claim to know something I don't and am asking to be informed. This is the opposite of willful unawareness.

If this is the most pressing issue of our times, the barbaric invasion of Earth, then of course that should take precedence on this thread. Threads about anything else are useless eaters taking up space. Let's go with that then, you have my attention.

I didn't say *I* put my life on the line, I'm talking of the people who actually do.

So you're more like the intellectual vanguard? Well, I'm listening, shoot.

Bring it home as to why this is the most pressing issue in your own life.

Rick

gregster's picture

Me: You say Islam is not an issue that confronts us?

Giles: Like...what's that got to do with my everyday life? Or yours? Or hers? On the hardest days of my life the oppression of women by Muslims never ever makes the list. You?

[..]

Your premise is that Muslim oppression is a real world problem.

My assertion is that it is not one for me. Nor you. Nor her.

[..]

Muslim oppression is not a real world problem in your daily life, I said.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

Tell me how Greg Davis puts his life on the line in the first lines of defense?

You write on an objectivist forum and by doing so I take it you know the power of correct ideas and their importance. This is not the place to proclaim 'It has nothing to do with me - Giles,' merely by your feeling that this hasn't affected you. You seem self-centered and disconnected. You know the barbarism that is taking over Earth, and just as useful idiots previously and presently, you downplay it: what's that got to do with my everyday life?

When your chickens come home to roost you will deny you were on the slacker front but we have it here, your willful unawareness of your disconnection with the most pressing issue of our times.

I didn't say *I* put my life on the line, I'm talking of the people who actually do. But that doesn't matter to you, soldering your PSP chargers and buying a new bed base on Trademe.

Muslim oppression is not a

Rick Giles's picture

Muslim oppression is not a real world problem in your daily life, I said.

Tell me how I'm wrong?

Clue me in on how Ellen and I are self-defeating appeasers because of our chosen values and battles? Is that really what you get out of Thorpe's disclosure- that it's the stupid distracting themselves from the call of risking their lives against supremacists?

If you don't care to lend some context and reason to your argument then you must be hopelessly off-topic. Tell me how Greg Davis puts his life on the line in the first lines of defense? How to do otherwise would be stupid appeasement?

Are you a head of state, a diplomat? Living in the Middle East? If not, or not something of the kind, you seem like a grandiose and pretentious little guy. Possibly on the run, dissociation, from the topic of your own gender by proxy. Sorry if that seems cruel, you leave me no choice!

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History demonstrates that appeasement to supremacists is self-defeating and stupid. You can wish it will work out fine for yourself, while all the while others are putting their lives on the line at the first lines of defense.

Muslim oppression: no problem for Giles

gregster's picture

"Your premise is that Muslim oppression is a real world problem."

Yes

"My assertion is that it is not one for me. Nor you. Nor her."

History demonstrates that appeasement to supremacists is self-defeating and stupid. You can wish it will work out fine for yourself, while all the while others are putting their lives on the line at the first lines of defense.

"I live in Auckland."

In addition to the foreign evil advancing too close to home.

"My real world problems are soldering PSP chargers and buying a new bed base on Trademe."

Concrete-bound.

"What life do you live that Muslim oppression of women is of primary concern?
Do you live in Beirut?"

If I don't identify the contradictions of libtards I'm lying by omission.

Your premise is that Muslim

Rick Giles's picture

Your premise is that Muslim oppression is a real world problem.

My assertion is that it is not one for me. Nor you. Nor her.

I live in Auckland. My real world problems are soldering PSP chargers and buying a new bed base on Trademe.

What life do you live that Muslim oppression of women is of primary concern?

Do you live in Beirut?

No, you say Islam is not an issue

gregster's picture

Look Giles, Page isn't courageous outing herself these days in the company of liberals as she does. You may want to keep my context, or was that sleight of hand? My sentence was
"Real world problems such as the oppression of women by Muslims, to which she would, understandably, lack the balls to tackle."
It's true that she doesn't make a squeak about anything important. Call it what you like, it's fact. Millions in the world are oppressed and you think she's cool for letting us know her sex preferences. Is that the dissociation you speak of? Like Ellen, you have your head in the sand.

You say Islam is not an issue

Rick Giles's picture

You say Islam is not an issue that confronts us?

Call me lazy but I'm just going to cut and paste it-

Real world problems such as the oppression of women by Muslims
Tell me more about how that's not dissociation? Like...what's that got to do with my everyday life? Or yours? Or hers? On the hardest days of my life the oppression of women by Muslims never ever makes the list. You?

Rick

gregster's picture

Isn't it enough to act with conviction in one's own life toward the issues that confront us?

You say Islam is not an issue that confronts us?

Real world problems like Gaza

Rick Giles's picture

Real world problems like Gaza or the election...would be a dissociation from real world problems people face.
Real world problems such as the oppression of women by Muslims

Tell me more about how that's not dissociation? Like...what's that got to do with my everyday life? Or yours? Or hers? On the hardest days of my life the oppression of women by Muslims never ever makes the list. You?

If these pinkos, like Page, really meant it, they'd protest against the oppression of minorities worldwide

Isn't it enough to act with conviction in one's own life toward the issues that confront us?

Like I said, I think that chasing after what you call real world problems worldwide is a dissociation.

Great, inert, impossible global causes are a fine way to paralise yourself. They can be a great excuse for not being brave and heroic in our own lives and fighting the difficult battles that we CAN win.

I like her. She's a beginner.

"Pinko cry-baby bully-victim" are endearments? Uh...no. It's not that you like her. So what's bothering you?

Is it because she's so open and self-expressed, so without shame, in talking about her sexuality? (I wrote 'gender' above about Thorpe, probably should have said 'sexuality' then too.)

You don't acknowledge that she 'really means it' as if this would be a problem for you.

She's not a beginner, she's light-years ahead of most of us guarded ones. We, living in our heads, distracting ourselves from personal issues by global news or Commonwealth sports games, have a long way to catch up. Maybe that's what's bothering you?

I'm throwing those possible explanations out there for your comments because that would be the sort of reasons I wold have for writing them if I were you.

Guiles

gregster's picture

Real world problems like Gaza or the election, I guess you mean,

I was blind to Gaza here. Gaza, a misrepresentation of our times, had nothing to do with my comment, and I do think I remember my frame of mind at that time accurately.

Real world problems such as the oppression of women by Muslims, to which she would, understandably, lack the balls to tackle.

..would be a dissociation from real world problems people face. This issue is at the forefront for her and a bunch of people, why shouldn't they focus on that? It's not hurting you is it and you don't have to watch.

You're right, it's not "hurting" me, but you're deluded to think this is all harmless Hollywood dissociation. If these pinkos, like Page, really meant it, they'd protest against the oppression of minorities worldwide; including humans across the sexual spectrum.

Something really got to you about watching that clip.

I like her. She's a beginner.

About Ellen Page

Tore's picture

She's a narcissist, and this "problem" is just a narcissist screaming to the world "me, me, me" - and people, most of 'em humanoids on this planet, are narcisssists themselves by now (at least in the west), and love this shit.

Not that reading boring and mostly PC babble about the fuckwits in the middle-east and other "real world" problems is any better. Fuck everything, man. Listen to music, read comic books, and drink red wine.

The next stage of my evolution

Rick Giles's picture

I always think of Ian Thorpe's life as really sad case.

"I'm stuck in a time warp. I haven't grown up, except the legs and shoulders. I'm breathless with excitement on the edge of the next stage of my evolution"

Thorpe also wrote back then that he was definitely not gay.

For 20 years only about his work, only a swimming engine. The past 7 years, after his physical used by date, Thorpe has been falling to bits, publicly.

Now he's 31 years old and only just got the self-knowledge of his own gender. Really playing catch-up here. Swimming specialisation has taken more from him than it ever gave in my opinion.

Greg
This Ellen Page needs a frontal reminder of real world problems, rather than playpen crybaby bully victim shit. I don't care who she fucks. Does she think we all need to know how she likes to take it?

Real world problems like Gaza or the election, I guess you mean, would be a dissociation from real world problems people face. This issue is at the forefront for her and a bunch of people, why shouldn't they focus on that? It's not hurting you is it and you don't have to watch.

Something really got to you about watching that clip.

Haha

Jules Troy's picture

Right on the money Tore!

Well...

Tore's picture

If I wanted to fire some moron for being homophobic, I would do it with joy.

As some smart guy said once - "You have the right to make anti-gay statements, and companies have the right to make anti-you statements by firing you. Free speech works."

Kyrel, yes I liked it the first time

gregster's picture

Nothing is as it seems it seems. Queer folk I thought had won the right to vote, as women did, and to have their own bars. And to spout the tired trad statist bromides as malevolently as straights. This Ellen Page needs a frontal reminder of real world problems, rather than playpen crybaby bully victim shit. I don't care who she fucks. Does she think we all need to know how she likes to take it? She's got to get rid of the looking over the little shoulders second-hander crap. It's her own fault. She operates in the luvvie 'community.' An intellectually bankrupted bunch of pinkos that relies on its last public appearance gimmick. What you sow you reap. From down under; Rolf that painted the Queen to gain a sniff into the young royal drawers. He operated openly under the cover of charity work, the same MO as Jimmy Savile and the currently ducking UK ex-politicians. Their pathology lay in their obsession with what other people thought. Rolf thought "If I do good in full view, I must be good. I'm famous, I'll fuck what and when I want. In full view. Kangaroo won't be tied down." Don't trust people who cross the boundaries of private and public. They are psychopaths. But I liked it the first time.
edit to Savile

Choosing Authenticity

Kyrel Zantonavitch's picture

Ellen Page's recent beautiful "coming out" speech:

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